Obinna Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I was going to respond to this post in the prediction's thread but decided this subject warrents it's own thread. quote:Originally posted by nimamalek 5-0 Mexico, if we cant beat a **** team at home we have no hope against Mexico in Mexico, I really believe Canada will finish last in the group without a single win .................................................. There are many variables in sport, especially football, and many of these are psychological. Actually, at this level, psychology is perhaps the most important variable. Why do you think United States always beats Mexico? It isn't because they are a better squad overall, or even because they match up well with the Mexicans. It comes down to Psychology. Mexico is a footballing nation, United States isn't--so it's almost insulting for them to let the American's "beat them at their own game". That's why Mexico loses, because they put unessacary pressure on themselves. Now, I'm not applying this directly to Canada vs Mexico, but you get the point--you must consider the psychology of both teams. Canada -playing superior opponent -underdogs -nothing to lose (basiclly eliminated) -visting team Mexico -playing inferior opponent -favroites -expected to win at home -alraedy have 6 points This is the recipe for upset. Open your eyes. Not saying an upset is certain, it just means that all the ingredients are there. What really matters is if this team has enough character, and I think we do! As Craig Forest said, "this group has a legetimate confidence about them, it's not a false confidence". I would bet on a 2-1 or 1-0 win before I bet on a loss. Consider this, If your Mexico, what Motivation do you have to preform well? Your playing the only team who appears to be clearly eliminated. Your playing CANADA for christ sakes! They call the beautiful game soccer up there. Pathetic. They don't even have a professional league up there. AND...they only have one single player in La Liga. .....If I were Mexico I wouldn't exactly fear Canada. Consider this, If your Canada, what Motivation do you have to preform well? Your playing the top team in the group and the regional Powerhouse--MEXICO. They have a squad full of players at European clubs--but so do we! We can deffinatly play with them,and we can show them and the rest of CONCACAF that we aren't the weakest team in the Group of death. We are basiclly out now, so what difference does it make if we lose, lets go out and play without any inhibitions. .....If I were Canada, I would likley play the best game of the whole qualifier tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Mexico has two players Bravo and Guardado who wan't to beat De Guzman for bragging rights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 If that's their motivation I fancy our chances.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obinna Posted September 9, 2008 Author Share Posted September 9, 2008 No thoughts? I guess everyone is convinced we are done then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I like your argument however I'm afraid it might be because I WANT to believe. Right now I'm kind of dragging behind the bandwagon with a rope attached around my neck. If they win I'll vault back to the drivers seat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 I get the feeling people are overestimating how much this team is being underestimated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 ^well said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by theaub I get the feeling people are overestimating how much this team is being underestimated I agree, I think Eriksson is to good of a manager for that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianinMexico Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Believe me, Mexico is not underestimating Canada. I am living in Mexico and not only do they not underestimate Canada, they consider us to be the second best team in the group (so I've been told). They also want to exact revenge for the "Chavez" disaster, where the Mexican team was eliminated from going to the Olympics by Canada. Chavez was the coach who after the loss got fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Just a hunch: start Brennan on the left of midfield. He will be a really good defensive minder when Klukowski goes on offensive walkabout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
de guzman_mtl Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 nothing short of a miracle would do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by de guzman_mtl nothing short of a miracle would do it. The Hastings 2000 Gold Cup goal just flashed before my eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by CanadianinMexico Believe me, Mexico is not underestimating Canada. I am living in Mexico and not only do they not underestimate Canada, they consider us to be the second best team in the group (so I've been told). They also want to exact revenge for the "Chavez" disaster, where the Mexican team was eliminated from going to the Olympics by Canada. Chavez was the coach who after the loss got fired. I thought that was Hugo Sanchez? In any event, while we helped to eliminate them, we only drew them 1-1 in the first game - the team that really did them damage was Guatemala. As for tomorrow night, a loss might actually help us more than a draw in a strange way. Mexico will have 9 points and then will play Jamaica, who they should beat even in Jamaica. That will render their next two games meaningless, including their game against us. If we can return the favour in Honduras (where we haven't lost since they beat us on a clearly off-side goal in 1981) we'd have four points to Honduras' six with two games against teams that are likely dis-interested (Mexico already qualified and Jamaica already eliminated by the final game). How's that for optimism? But all things considered, I'd take a draw in a heartbeat and will re-watch the game a thousand times before I die if we win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 Problem with that is Honduras will also have two games left against disinterested teams. And if gets to the final game where we need a win + Honduras loss against the Mexican Z team, well that's not good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianinMexico Posted September 9, 2008 Share Posted September 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I thought that was Hugo Sanchez? In any event, while we helped to eliminate them, we only drew them 1-1 in the first game - the team that really did them damage was Guatemala. As for tomorrow night, a loss might actually help us more than a draw in a strange way. Mexico will have 9 points and then will play Jamaica, who they should beat even in Jamaica. That will render their next two games meaningless, including their game against us. If we can return the favour in Honduras (where we haven't lost since they beat us on a clearly off-side goal in 1981) we'd have four points to Honduras' six with two games against teams that are likely dis-interested (Mexico already qualified and Jamaica already eliminated by the final game). How's that for optimism? But all things considered, I'd take a draw in a heartbeat and will re-watch the game a thousand times before I die if we win. Yeah you are absolutely right about Sanchez... sorry I got the name screwed up (I was just recalling a story from a Mexican friend). He also told me that Canada beat Mexico 2-0? But maybe he was wrong. Anyhow, the point that I can garner from many Mexican supporters is that they are not underestimating Canada. So let's hope for a result, but it will be tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by theaub Problem with that is Honduras will also have two games left against disinterested teams. And if gets to the final game where we need a win + Honduras loss against the Mexican Z team, well that's not good. Honduras will have a disinterested Mexican team in the last game, but a desperate Jamaican team grasping to their last breath in the 5th MD and that could be the difference if we can pull off wins in San Pedro Sula and Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by CanadianinMexico Yeah you are absolutely right about Sanchez... sorry I got the name screwed up (I was just recalling a story from a Mexican friend). He also told me that Canada beat Mexico 2-0? But maybe he was wrong. He definitely was. Can't ever remember a Canadian team at any level on the men's side beating Mexico by that scoreline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by theaub Problem with that is Honduras will also have two games left against disinterested teams. True, though I doubt if Mexico is ever dis-interested against Honduras, and they'll probably be more dis-interested in cold weather Edmonton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbrad Posted September 10, 2008 Share Posted September 10, 2008 I was at the last cold game in Edmonton - Mexico got lucky in that game and managed the draw. They did not look like their typical selves and were very beatable. Bring on the snow!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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