Would you take the job if you were Stephen Hart?

[Eric]

Would you really burn your self with that hot potato?

maybe he's thinking why do I have to get expose now and burn in hell, when I can wait till next game and expose them for not giving me the chance before. If I were Steve I would NOT take the team on wednesday.

[The Beaver]

^ I get your point, but in a sense he'd do no wrong in taking the team midstream. If he gets us into the next round, we will hail his genius. If he fails, we will say--"What could he do, we were already sunk." Of course, if he takes over and we get blown out of the water in each game, then maybe he's screwed.

I'm not sure it makes any sense to turf Mitchell now--despite my severe skepticism over his ability--but I can see why we are all so desperate to take advantage of what might be the best group of players we've ever had.

Bigger question: Is this as good as it gets in terms of quality? Are we not improving on this front?

[Daniel]

Stephen Hart will never be "appointed" head coach after a selection process. He's an interim guy and he's already technical director. If he does poorly, he'll step down after WCQ, having been caretaker after Mitchell.

He does poorly, DM takes the blame for the campaign. He does well, then maybe he can grow on that (Bob Bradley-style). He can't really lose.

[I_AM_CANADIAN]

It's better than where he is now, assistant to Mitchell...

[bettermirror]

If I were him I'd take it. But it's time to look outside the box, I mean...borders.

[The Ref]

I would take the job without hesitation. It will go in my Resume as being the man called to replaced Mitchell for Canada on short notice. An important step. If he doesn't do much better, it will just be chucked to the team having been too screwed up by Mitchell anyway.

[Calgary Boomer]

Maybe someone on this board can actually break down the specific coaching decisions that should cost Mitchell his job. Because Dale Mitchell wasn't playing goal when Pat Onstad dropped a clanger vs Jamaica. Maybe Paul Dolan, the goalkeeping coach should lose his job?

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

I went back to the Canada-Brazil game, when Canada lost 3-2 with most of the same players...was anyone calling for his head then?

I'd also like to hear the specific merits of Stephen Hart. What has Stephen Hart ACTUALLY ever done in the sport of soccer?

Jose Mourinho could coach this group of players, and they still wouldn't get a result. Our national team program is designed to fail...period. So stop all the stupid comments about firing Dale Mitchell.

[Pootz]

he did however select Onstad to start the match...

[Guest Ed]

quote:Originally posted by Calgary Boomer

Maybe someone on this board can actually break down the specific coaching decisions that should cost Mitchell his job. Because Dale Mitchell wasn't playing goal when Pat Onstad dropped a clanger vs Jamaica. Maybe Paul Dolan, the goalkeeping coach should lose his job?

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

I went back to the Canada-Brazil game, when Canada lost 3-2 with most of the same players...was anyone calling for his head then?

I'd also like to hear the specific merits of Stephen Hart. What has Stephen Hart ACTUALLY ever done in the sport of soccer?

Jose Mourinho could coach this group of players, and they still wouldn't get a result. Our national team program is designed to fail...period. So stop all the stupid comments about firing Dale Mitchell.

Why bother replying to you? You think Rob Friend does not deserve to start on this team. Any reasonable discussion would not be worth the time.

[Guest Jeffery S.]

quote:Originally posted by Calgary Boomer

Maybe someone on this board can actually break down the specific coaching decisions that should cost Mitchell his job. Because Dale Mitchell wasn't playing goal when Pat Onstad dropped a clanger vs Jamaica. Maybe Paul Dolan, the goalkeeping coach should lose his job?

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

I went back to the Canada-Brazil game, when Canada lost 3-2 with most of the same players...was anyone calling for his head then?

I'd also like to hear the specific merits of Stephen Hart. What has Stephen Hart ACTUALLY ever done in the sport of soccer?

Jose Mourinho could coach this group of players, and they still wouldn't get a result. Our national team program is designed to fail...period. So stop all the stupid comments about firing Dale Mitchell.

They've been broken down about two dozen times in very similar fashion on the post-game thread. You don't want to read it, and you are making ridiculous statements like a coach should be fired after losing a friendly to a world powerhouse by a single unlucky goal. So you are both trolling and you are intrisically stupid, which explains why you are defending Mitchell as well, it all fits.

BTW José Mourinho could sure as hell get results out of this team. He would not have this amorphic plan for the midfield. He would never play a loan isolated striker as a target man. He would train the team to cover an outside back when going forwards. He would maybe tell DERO he won't play if he insists on running away from all his teammates with the ball and then losing it. He would adjust the system when a key player was injured instead of asking someone to play out of position to save the system. He'd sub out a player with a yellow to not risk a red. He'd drive the opponents nuts mentally, get on the case of the refs and in Spanish which would help in Concacaf, have the CSA in line and afraid of him, even when it came to getting ticket sales to Canadians right, and we would all love him and the rest of Concacaf would hate him, and we'd feel damn good about it. Even I'd love Mourinho, and as a Barça fan I have plenty of good reasons to not like him at all.

And we'd make the HEX, with this group of players for sure.

Mind you if we could afford him we could also afford prep for the games and optimum stadium conditions, so it's a moot point. Capello could get results, and Benítez, and Hiddink, and any good coach. That is what coaches do, they really do make a difference. Some are winning, some are lucky, some are average, and some are not up to top level standards and coach competently in lower tier or NCAA, even getting results, but of course where the competition is at the level you are.

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by Calgary Boomer

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

Though at times I have been quite critical of him, I don't agree about the Stalteri assessment, especially on the second goal. Marking the late man approaching the edge of the penalty area looked to be the responsibility of one of our midfielders, IMO.

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by Calgary Boomer

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

Though at times I have been quite critical of him, I don't agree about the Stalteri assessment, especially on the second goal. Marking the late man approaching the edge of the penalty area looked to be the responsibility of one of our midfielders, IMO.

[Eric]

quote:Originally posted by Calgary Boomer

Maybe someone on this board can actually break down the specific coaching decisions that should cost Mitchell his job. Because Dale Mitchell wasn't playing goal when Pat Onstad dropped a clanger vs Jamaica. Maybe Paul Dolan, the goalkeeping coach should lose his job?

Dale Mitchell wasn't defending when Honduras scored two goals inside 11 minutes, both the direct result of Paul Stalteri, (supposedly one of country's best defenders) not closing down quickly enough.

I went back to the Canada-Brazil game, when Canada lost 3-2 with most of the same players...was anyone calling for his head then?

I'd also like to hear the specific merits of Stephen Hart. What has Stephen Hart ACTUALLY ever done in the sport of soccer?

Jose Mourinho could coach this group of players, and they still wouldn't get a result. Our national team program is designed to fail...period. So stop all the stupid comments about firing Dale Mitchell.

Three things you need to be a successful coach at the highest level, and WCQ is the highest level.

These are:

1. Game knowledge

2. Be a leader with courage and charisma

3. Being able to adjust to the changing circumstances of the game

Which of these does Dale Mitchell have? maybe the first one, while Stephen Hart has at least the first two.

[Guest Ed]

quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA

Though at times I have been quite critical of him, I don't agree about the Stalteri assessment, especially on the second goal. Marking the late man approaching the edge of the penalty area looked to be the responsibility of one of our midfielders, IMO.

Exactly, Klukowski was mesmerized by Suazo's moves on the right wing for Honduras; the big man lobbed one into the top of the area. Stalteri had the leftmost forward (his man) at the time, but was the only one to react and was caught between his man and the shooter on the goal. So seeing the highlights, you could be mistaken into Stalteri not shutting down the shooter, but, in fact, he was the only one closing in on the shooter. The m/f cover (very likey Jules or Atiba, as Bernier had already been left in the dust further up field) was not provided.

[Sam]

quote:Originally posted by bettermirror

If I were him I'd take it. But it's time to look outside the box, I mean...borders.

Dasovic as the number 2 a guy who knows the CSA and its BS. He can deal with the CSA and then bring in a foreigner who's only job is to coach, and will work on developing younger players by calling them up for friendlies, and overseeing U-20 and U-23 games as well (since they rarely conflict with full international games). This is of course considering Hart doesn't continue his Gold Cup form when he becomes an interim coach with Canada.

EDIT: 500th post!

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

Exactly, Klukowski was mesmerized by Suazo's moves on the right wing for Honduras; the big man lobbed one into the top of the area. Stalteri had the leftmost forward (his man) at the time, but was the only one to react and was caught between his man and the shooter on the goal. So seeing the highlights, you could be mistaken into Stalteri not shutting down the shooter, but, in fact, he was the only one closing in on the shooter. The m/f cover (very likey Jules or Atiba, as Bernier had already been left in the dust further up field) was not provided.

Not Klukowski: that was Hastings trying to stay with Suazo in the 1 v 1 with no support. Klukowski was caught too far up field when the excellent long outlet pass from defence bypassed him and the rest of our mids in the counterattack.

[Sam]

quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA

Not Klukowski: that was Hastings trying to stay with Suazo in the 1 v 1 with no support. Klukowski was caught too far up field when the excellent long outlet pass from defence bypassed him and the rest of our mids in the counterattack.

Klukowski played well on Saturday he played a lot of quality balls into the box. Hastings did not. Bearcat is right Hastings was responsible for Suazo.

[Guest Ed]

^ Sorry, I am going off recollection. Main point of my post is that Stalteri was certainly not the goat on the goal. And Kluka was caught upfield because of ---------- A MIDFIELD TURNOVER!

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

^ Sorry, I am going off recollection. Main point of my post is that Stalteri was certainly not the goat on the goal. And Kluka was caught upfield because of ---------- A MIDFIELD TURNOVER!

I understand your point and agree. I have been a pretty harsh critic of Stalteri at times over his career but I try to be as objective as possible in assessing all players... even Harmse!

Funny thing about that turnover was that it came from Hastings opting for the longer "hit and hope" ball to DeRosario instead of the much shorter and easier pass to Klukowski. Yet, considering the proximity of the two Canadian defenders to each other, I was surprised that Klukowski was still as upfield as he was after the turnover.

[Sam]

quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA

I understand your point and agree. I have been a pretty harsh critic of Stalteri at times over his career but I try to be as objective as possible in assessing all players... even Harmse!

Funny thing about that turnover was that it came from Hastings opting for the longer "hit and hope" ball to DeRosario instead of the much shorter and easier pass to Klukowski. Yet, considering the proximity of the two Canadian defenders to each other, I was surprised that Klukowski was still as upfield as he was after the turnover.

Hastings had a few too many of those on saturday...even for his standards

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan

Hastings had a few too many of those on saturday...even for his standards

I don't recall Hastings, Stalteri, nor Serioux being successful with any of their long range aerial passing out of defence (though Stalteri played a good cross for Gerba's header off the post)