BearcatSA Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Ivan Our best players were not our best players. Tough to win when that happens. I won't argue with that...we were ineffective in a number of areas last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Like the sucker most of us are (and have to be) as Canadian fans, I still find I'm dreaming of 3 points in Mexico despite my guttedness. However, I totally agree with youllneverwalkalone, once the trip to Mexico is done, its time for Radz and Stalteri and Onstad and Brennan et al to go. 1980/1981 or later (except for DeRo). I won't clog up the board with an 800 word rant, feel free to click here, http://untothedogs.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexCap Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 I blame Mitchell on this night. I'm usually not one to blame the coach, but he made mistakes throughout the night. Hume: Did not look confortable on the left side. He should have been on the right side, with De Rosario on the left. Move Bernier behind De Guzman and Hutchinson. Mitchell eventually did do this but way too late. Gerba/Friend/Bernier: I'm not going to argue who should have started between Gerba and Friend. Friend is playing well at a higher level than Gerba, but Gerba has played well with the MNT and almost iced the game at the end of the first half. BUT, you are down 2-1 and need at least a goal, why not put Friend and Gerba out there together and sub out Bernier?? Having both Gerba and Friend out there would have allowed us to get more possession off crosses. And we ended up losing Bernier anyway (can't really blame Mitchell for that). Brennan for Hume: Even after Bernier's red card, you could have still pulled out a defender to put in a midfielder. But, I was OK with not doing that because Staltieri and Klukowski were moving up quite a bit. But why put on Brennan? Why not Occean or Nakajima-Farran?? Does it really matter if you lose 3-1 or 2-1? I'm not sure if Issey or Occean are injured or not, but a more offensive option is needed there and earlier than the 85th minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by AlexCap Why not Occean or Nakajima-Farran?? Neither of them were on the match day squad. Seriously, neither of them. I am not kidding or exaggerating for effect. Neither of them. Mitchell had used all of his non-defenders already. Not a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Then why not bring on McKenna, a former MNT striker, and push him forward in the last five minutes? We were playing direct football anyways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick I agree with everything that you said. But the part that I highlighted concerns me. I haven't seen anything from the last two U20 teams to suggest any reason for great optimism in so far as future talent. In regards to the players highlighted, quite honnestly, I dont see where the great optimism for 2014 comes from in regards to that list. Granted I haven't seen Hoilett play so I will reserve judgement and I have barely seem Jakovic. But there is a huge difference between being U23 and playing somewhere versus actually being a prospect that you can project as a future talent. But ask yourself this in regards to: Edgar, Hainault, De Jong, Ledgerwood, Simpson, If you were not Canadian and just a well informed soccer fan anywhere else in world, would you even know of those guys? and more importantly, would there be any reason to know more. There are some on that list, that I dont think are very good players. I agree. Though I would suggest that whether these players bring optimism or not is ultimately irrelevant to the discussion. FWIW, I was just throwing out the first few names that came to mind to replace guys that we know will be too old to participate in 2014. Upon further reflection and reading this thread, I have a couple more thoughts: -A lot of good footballing nations don't make the World Cup, but not having those ten matches in the Hex and, by the looks of things, not even coming close, is what really hurts. -On the "bright side," missing those ten games will likely improve the club careers of some of our European players who get punished for those long trips to Central America. It really makes me wonder if there's a correlation between our players' increasingly strong club form and missing the Hex these last three cycles? If so, doesn't this contribute to us, the supporters, overrating our players against CONCACRAP opposition? -To take what WF mentioned a bit further, we need to take Gold Cup 2009 -hopefully as hosts- and make it our World Cup. We need to look at the upside of winning this tournament and make it known to the SA Association that we want our invite to Copa America (if they still give them) and look to get another chance at the Confederations Cup to give our players some type of excitement and pride. We should also take a more active role in determining the scope of the tournament. Maybe we should have to qualify? Maybe we should expand to 16 teams to recognize that CONCACAF is getting better? -Mitchell's resignation has nothing to do with the next four matches or the search for his replacement. It's about taking accountability for producing absolutely no results as Canada manager. He should not be costing us, the vocal stakeholders in the Association, one more nickle. -We need to investigate whether we need a fulltime manager? The 200-300k we can realistically afford will not attract much better than Dale Mitchell unless we're willing to gamble on a young, up-and-coming club coach from South America or Eastern Europe (which I am, for the record). But if we want some pedigree, what if we approached somebody like Man United coach Rene Meulensteen, who probably makes 500k, and retained his services part time for say and additional 250K? It would be a win/win for the coach, assuming Fergie would go for it. BTW, I'm just pulling that name out of my ass as an example, I'm sure there's a much better one about. 250k doesn't sound like much when you think it's 2,500 quid per week, but when you apply it to Mitchell's situation, it's more like 8,000 dollars per day given that I can't imagine Dale working more than 30 days a year -which is likely part of the problem, but that's another thread entirely. F-uck me. I feel like I've been raped by an STD ridden Honduran and now I have to carry the baby to term. But instead of 9 months it's 4 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gkhs Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA Then why not bring on McKenna, a former MNT striker, and push him forward in the last five minutes? We were playing direct football anyways. Given the givens this would have been the better option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone F-uck me. I feel like I've been raped by an STD ridden Honduran and now I have to carry the baby to term. But instead of 9 months it's 4 years. C'mon now, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 The most disappointing player these past two games: DeRo. I don't know what is going on with him, but he is absolutely invisible. He needs to get wide left, and we need to get him the ball so he can run at guys. Mind you, when he did run at players last night, he lost the ball so easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by nolando What can you say, really? This is the most depressing thing I have felt in a long time, maybe a new low during my 10 plus years cheering for canada. A recap: - we have undoubtedly the best team we have ever had. period - we drew a tough group but, as many said, we would have to get past the likes of honduras and jamaica to make south africa anyways -although we didnt have a gem of a coach we had a coach that didnt interfere and who had no major conflicts with any of the starting members, a situatiuon that is unlikely to ever be repeated -we have a situation where if we produce any better players than we have currently in our starting eleven, they are very likely to play for another country if they have even the slightest chance - therefore we may be seeing the best team that we WILL EVER see for canada in our lifetime -we continue to take careless yellows time and time again and act surprised that concacaf refereeing isnt up to snuff with the usual european fare that most of our best players are used to -many of our concacaf opponents seem to be getting better with each cycle while (on paper in hard results), we look to be creeping closer to a team that might be at risk of not even making the first group stage come next qualifying -we finally get one city behind our boys, but rush off to another where once again the support for the opposition appears to be at least 50% for the opposition - not only are we not going to the next world cup, we arent even going to the final hex - face it, we just aint that bloody good and this is probably the last time we will ever see the majority of our better players play in wcq -its hard not say that its basically all downhill from here, boys damn..i may yet cry myself to sleep tonight - this is perhaps the toughest loss i have felt since '97. A couple of things to add to this list: - some things never change. Through out Canada's history in Int'l soccer, goal scoring has always been a problem going back to even when we made it to the WC Its cliche but,In Concacaf, the team that can score will win. Or, the team that has guys who can score goals will win; Simply put, those who cant score will not win. Yet, in two crucial home games we have one goal in each game. When was the last time we ever scored two goals in a WCQ or WC game against an opponent of any kind of credibility. Scoring against Belize and St Vincent, means nothing. I was worried well in advance of WCQ that the fwd position was our weak area and admittedly I let myself get talked into believing that there was optimisim with having Friend up front. But my initial suspicions of Friend, based on his career path, were in fact correct. Worst still, he was the best option we had at that position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hume can score, Friend can score, Greba can score, Radz can score, atiba, etc. etc. Only for their clubs however. Why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Hume can score, Friend can score, Greba can score, Radz can score, atiba, etc. etc. Only for their clubs however. Why is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by denis Hume can score, Friend can score, Greba can score, Radz can score, atiba, etc. etc. Only for their clubs however. Why is this? Well really? are they really scoring a lot for their clubs? relatively speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by denis Hume can score, Friend can score, Greba can score, Radz can score, atiba, etc. etc. Only for their clubs however. Why is this? Well really? are they really scoring a lot for their clubs? relatively speaking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureStarCSL Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 naw man friend can do sumthin for the canadian offence but wen u only get 30 mins of a game no even time dats basically a warm up, plus it was prolly the formation that had struk the canadians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FutureStarCSL Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 naw man friend can do sumthin for the canadian offence but wen u only get 30 mins of a game no even time dats basically a warm up, plus it was prolly the formation that had struk the canadians Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick Well really? are they really scoring a lot for their clubs? relatively speaking. Compared to Honduras, at club level yes. Or comparable at least. other than Swazo and to a lesser extent Costly none are tearing it up in their respective leagues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 ^ Two words - different coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Well got back about an hour ago. I'm gutted. Worst I've ever felt after a Canada game, and maybe the worst I've ever felt after a game period. I really don't want to talk about the game itself because I'll just get more upset. But on the positive side yesterday was a fantastic day until about 9 pm. I headed to McLean's early had lunch, but no one was there. So after lunch I decided to try and get into the Peel Pub with my brother... and failed. So then after taking to Massimo outside of the pub for about ten minutes we made a run, and we're kicked out again . Lots of fun! Anyways stayed at McLean's for the rest of the day and V's slowly poured in. Then the march was fantastic. Getting through the asshole security guards made it better. Then the "who's not jumping's not Canadian" on the metro with the entire metro car shaking was amazing. It kinda died going into Saputo, because we started to spread out. Then when we got into Saputo walking through the Honduran fans and giving them hell was fun. When we scored 114 went ballistic. People falling several rows down, it was crazy. For the rest of the first noise we we're louder than ever. It was fun meeting a bunch of you guys yesterday. Now I need to go mourn some more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
denis Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 The last cycle we could have made it to the Hex based on talent also. The lineup may not have been as strong as this time, but it was only the Ticos in our group who were better then us on paper back then. It just goes to show it takes more than having better players than that of your opponents to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whither Canada Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone F-uck me. I feel like I've been raped by an STD ridden Honduran and now I have to carry the baby to term. But instead of 9 months it's 4 years. And I feel like I'm having twins! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whither Canada Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 quote:Originally posted by FutureStarCSL naw man friend can do sumthin for the canadian offence but wen u only get 30 mins of a game no even time dats basically a warm up, plus it was prolly the formation that had struk the canadians Not trying to be boring but this is gibberish. Please write in English on this board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 Dale Mitchell had lots of time to prepare, and lots of decent friendlies. There is no excuse. Let it be known that the only victories under Dale Mitchell's reign has been those two against SVG(Matinique does not count). And now we're in turmoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flubber Posted September 7, 2008 Share Posted September 7, 2008 These qualifying performances wouldn't be so dissapointing had I not seen the free-wheeling, World XI type performance against Brazil in Seattle. They were brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elricko Posted September 8, 2008 Share Posted September 8, 2008 Why, oh why does nobody ( I haven't read all threads) give credit to the Honduran team,who were a class , or two, above Canada,with their passing, technical ability, holding up play, holding the ball,etc. In Honduras, ALL residents are soccer crazy, they live and die for the game, the kids all play from the earliest age , and their ability shines way above the poor quality of Canada. The fans always know their team, are always supportive, and if there was more money, the country would become a quite the mini-powerhouse. I wish fans here would stop saying this is the best Canada team ever , --it's NOT--does no-one remember the incredible Alex Bunbury and Randy Samuel, two players who would saunter into the current team, and many others such as Colin Miller, Craig Forrest, Frank Yallop, Lyndon Hooper, John Catliffe, and others I have not mentioned. Pick your best ever team, and few from the current squad would, or should be selected, with only JDG an obvious consideration, and maybe Dero, plus Radz of 10 years ago. You are deceiving yourselves if you think Canada has a good team, Sven's squad will give Canada a lesson on Wednesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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