Soju Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Sutton just let in a shocking goal against Chivas. We are really screwed. Are we cursed? Do we have bad JUJU?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toronto MB Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Poor on both goals really. Not that we should base judgement from one game, and I'm not doing so, I have no faith in Sutton. Just not an international quality keeper. Will be Onstad or Super Lars depending on what Mitchell is thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melpomenus Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Oh boy. I can't stand this anymore. I guess I'll just send my resume, I feel that I might be better than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 did you guys actually watch this whole match? TFC would have lost this game 5-1 if not for Sutton. sutton could have done better on the Eskandarian goal but that was more the fault of the defenders letting him through for a clear chance, which he buried. The 2nd goal was gutting but I have a very strong feeling he did not see it until the last minute through the mass of legs. Again, that goal was a much a failing of the defenders, who were shockingly bad all night, but Sutton should have made that save Nonetheless, I agree that Sutton is most certainly our #3 GK and should only start for Canada in an emergency. He is the type of GK who makes 10 all world saves (like he did last night) before letting in a heartbreaking goal that he should have saved (like he did last night) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdroze Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Well, Sutton's probably not going to be there anyway. Gerry mentioned that Sutton's wife is due to give birth a day before the Honduras game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeSoccerFan Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I didn't think that Sutton was all that bad...in fact, as VPjr says he was (sadly) one of Toronto's best players. On the second goal, I believe he was seriously gasping for air and overwhelmed with the lack of defensive effort. His big mistake on that goal was his terrible throw into the back of a teammate with seconds left in injury time. It was his third or fourth error distributing the ball in the second half alone. On the positive side, it looks like he had a bit of a hip/groin issue in the second half, which might be enough to keep him away from the squad next weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manuel Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I know some will get pissed at me for mentioning this, but I saw highlights of the Bocham/Schalke game and Fernandes looked amazing. they lost 1-0 but he made 4 or 5 world class saves. He would sure look good now in the Canadian net, don't you think Mitchell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divizio Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Onstad is too old and should retire. He has represented Canada well over the years; although most of his prime years were cast in the shadow of Craig Forrest. Sutton...i'm still on the fence. As a Toronto FC season ticket holder i get to see him on a weekly basis. Too inconsistent, some games he's great and some he's almost looks disinterested. I would go with Lars on Sat.He's coming off a UEFA Cup expereince and has represented Canada well over the years. As the youngest of the three, he has the strongest chance of being our guy for the 2014 qualifiers. I'm sure he's hungry for a second opportunity. After seeing his performance in the gold cup '02....we know he is capable! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 quote:Originally posted by JoeSoccerFan His big mistake on that goal was his terrible throw into the back of a teammate with seconds left in injury time. It was his third or fourth error distributing the ball in the second half alone. That's really been an issue for TFC all year. I'm not sure whether it's just poor coaching or if Sutton doesn't make a concerted effort to distribute the ball properly. Probably a bit of both, it doesn't seem like a hard problem to correct really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Sutton looked like he was hurt in the latter part of the second half. And frankly he was the best player on the pitch for TFC (although everyone else was so goddamn bad he sort of was by default). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 with sutton and onstad, we know that we are in for mediocre keeping at best. thats just the way it is. with lars, at least there is a hope that he will be excellent. that hope doesn't even exist with the others. for me, the choice is clear. lars will bring a renewed confidence to the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BrennanFan with sutton and onstad, we know that we are in for mediocre keeping at best. thats just the way it is. with lars, at least there is a hope that he will be excellent. that hope doesn't even exist with the others. for me, the choice is clear. lars will bring a renewed confidence to the team. I still fail to see how a keeper who hasn't played a competitive game in months will "renewed the team confidence". I'm not saying he isn't the best option (i would go with either him or Onstad) just that he hasn't played in a big game for a while, throwing him out there is quite risky IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Sutton was somewhat tired at the end from being too bloody busy the whole game. I hope we don't give up anywhere near that amount of chances with the nats as TFC did last night. Plus it was a bit of a "off-speed pitch" type of goal. Yes, he should have had it, but there were definitely mitigating circumstances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 We need a keeper to save the easy shots. I mean really, our MNT doesn't give up too many chances. Even against Brazil how many real good looks did they get? Probably 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Manuel I know some will get pissed at me for mentioning this, but I saw highlights of the Bocham/Schalke game and Fernandes looked amazing. they lost 1-0 but he made 4 or 5 world class saves. He would sure look good now in the Canadian net, don't you think Mitchell? Watched that game. Yes, he was good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 Just like the game against Jamaica,the difference between winning and tying or tying and losing(as in Suttons case last night)is one mistake.We cannot afford any in Montreal. Sutton actually made 2 mistakes on the last goal. All he had to do is hold on to the ball for a few seconds to slow down the game a bit,catch his breath,and boot the ball up field.A point would have been secured. Perhaps a bold move is required and Hirschfeld be called into action. He'll probably make the same saves Onstad and Sutton would make but would not make the same mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl-supporter23 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 There is no crisis IMO, Onstad is our man to take us to the promise land. He had an off night vs Jamaica but was very solid in the SV&G games and not to mention last summers Gold Cup. We will live and die off of Onstad, he's a proven veteran with an incredible amount of international experience and IMO there is no better man to turn to than him. My bet is that Onstad stars vs Honduras and single handidly steals a game in which Canada will be dominated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 quote:Originally posted by mtl-supporter23 There is no crisis IMO, Onstad is our man to take us to the promise land. He had an off night vs Jamaica but was very solid in the SV&G games and not to mention last summers Gold Cup. We will live and die off of Onstad, he's a proven veteran with an incredible amount of international experience and IMO there is no better man to turn to than him. My bet is that Onstad stars vs Honduras and single handidly steals a game in which Canada will be dominated. You went to the first leg? OR is this Pat Onstad/Dale Mitchell posting? I have yet to see a game where Onstad has played "well" since his return to the NT. I've seen decent/average performances such as games vs. Haiti and the USA. Which one game has he played "well" in? I can't think of one. He has been average at best in most games. I like Onstad and agree either him or Hirschfeld should start but he has never stolen a game or made a string of good saves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl-supporter23 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 The unfortunate truth is that Canada is not deep in goal and Onstad right now is our best option...ok sure maybe I'm a little pro-Onstad but none the less, we have no better option. Onstad has an incredible amount of International experience, and sure while he let in a weak one by in the Jamaica game, he is a consistent keeper. Where as Sutton has been known to have brain cramps from time to time, this going back to his days in Montreal. I think putting Hirschy in would be a sign of panic by Dale's part, stand ground and have faith in Pat, he'll bounce back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuscan Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 This is a really tough call, as to take out a keeper who has been starting for so long could come off as a sign of panic or lack of confidence, which in turn could echo through the rest of the squad (which is the last thing we need right now). On the other hand, just because Pat has been starting for us for so long, does it really mean that he is THE guy to stick with through thick and thin? Just because he has represented so many times internationally, does it really warrant a lack of change / trying out a new option? Would putting Hirschy in cause positive or negative change/sentiment in the squad? Too many questions, but I think it needs to be done. God I'm still such a n00b, but where does Hirschy get the Super Lars nickname from? Any specific save or string of saves or entire match? If there's footage, please direct me to it, I'm sure other n00bs on here would love to see it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mtl-supporter23 Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 To be honest, the nickname is a pretty bad one so might wanna scrath that one off of my list of nick names for players. But I'll go back to what I stated before in saying that if Dale puts anyone but Onstad in goal, it shows somewhat a sign of panic towards the players and an additional pressure. Don't get me wrong pressure can have a positive effect, but can our boys put that spin on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 We have three very average keepers. Hirschfeld is the least prone to mistakes, but isn't even playing for his club. I honestly have no idea who I'd chose, and I understand why Mitchell could chose any of the three keepers. The one thing that would have been nice, would have been to call up Stam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted September 1, 2008 Share Posted September 1, 2008 This is where an experienced manager comes into play. I hope Dale can read the pulse of the room. We need to start the keeper that will give the players the most confidence. Even though I think Onstad is the best choice, if the other players have lost faith in him, he should not be in net. As simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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