aus_keeper Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hello everyone. Firstly I just want to say what a wonderful soccer league you Canadians have created recently. I've been following it out of curiosity and have become quite a fan. The quality is excellent! I was wondering if there are any foreigners playing in the league? I find the league cozy and Canada is a beautiful country from what I've seen. What pathways or chances are there for a foreign footballer (like me in an Australian semi-professional league) to get signed up by a CSL team? Also what is the average annual salary like? Is it enough money to live with or do you need a part time job on the side? Hope you guys can answer me! Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 there are several foreign players in the CSL. North York Astros, for instance, have a player from France, the captain of the Bahamas National Team and a few other foreign born players. Wages in the CSL are low. You definitely will need a job. If you are interested in playing in the CSL, send me an email and I can give you contact info for a few coaches in the league that you can contact and send your CV to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus_keeper Posted August 27, 2008 Author Share Posted August 27, 2008 Hey VPjr, I will definitely send you an email. Thanks for the info it was very helpful. Regarding player wages, could you give me a ballpark estimate? Here in Australia's 1st tier league, the A-League, the average player annual salary is around $AU70,000 which is roughly 63,000 Canadian dollars. I currently play in a 3rd tier league and make only $5,000 a year which is pretty woeful. Now I know an A-League player earns heaps more than a CSL player would make but could you take a rough guess so I know what to expect. Is it $20,000 and lower, or there abouts? Thanks again mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccerpro Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 quote:Originally posted by aus_keeper Hey VPjr, I will definitely send you an email. Thanks for the info it was very helpful. Regarding player wages, could you give me a ballpark estimate? Here in Australia's 1st tier league, the A-League, the average player annual salary is around $AU70,000 which is roughly 63,000 Canadian dollars. I currently play in a 3rd tier league and make only $5,000 a year which is pretty woeful. Now I know an A-League player earns heaps more than a CSL player would make but could you take a rough guess so I know what to expect. Is it $20,000 and lower, or there abouts? Thanks again mate Lower, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 I know one player from TR Attak who makes around 3 000 $ for the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 Don't they get paid by the game? Like a couple hundred bucks per... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 There is no rule in the league or the clubs in regards to how much they can or should pay the players. Some clubs pay per points obtain W-T usually nothing for a Loss. Some other teams they pay a set amount per game, this range from $50 to $200 or $250 and to certain foreigner players with a professional contract, some clubs pay them a salary that range between $1000 to $3000 per month. All this info I gather by talking to players and directors in general in the CSL. Of course everybody lies some times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 There is no rule in the league or the clubs in regards to how much they can or should pay the players. Some clubs pay per points obtain W-T usually nothing for a Loss. Some other teams they pay a set amount per game, this range from $50 to $200 or $250 and to certain foreigner players with a professional contract, some clubs pay them a salary that range between $1000 to $3000 per month. All this info I gather by talking to players and directors in general in the CSL. Of course everybody lies some times!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted August 27, 2008 Share Posted August 27, 2008 ^ Eric's right...the pay varies wildly based on the team in question. You would need to speak to each club individually. It's my understanding that the ethnic clubs (specifically Croatia and Serbia) will pay halfway decent money for foreign players to come over for the summer but for most teams, $50.00 - $250.00 per game sounds about right, and they might compensate you for travel expenses when you attend practice. You won't get rich in the CSL but the quality of play is good, the travel is minimal and, if you can get a work visa, your ability to find work during the week should make it worthwhile because practices are generally in the evening so people can hold down full time/part time jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus_keeper Posted August 28, 2008 Author Share Posted August 28, 2008 Oh okay. Well you know what, for a young league that sounds good. Everybody has to start somewhere right? I would love to move to Canada and be able to play soccer at such a good level as well as raise a family there. I would never play soccer for the purpose of getting rich, but its nice to get paid a little for your efforts. Life is just getting too expensive here in Australia (food, housing, petrol, power etc.) What's it like over there in Canada? I know im getting off the topic of soccer and I do apologise but I'm merely curious. I'm 17, ambitious, want to raise a family with my soon-to-be wife, looking for a change, is Canada for me? By the way, if this is Canada's top level of soccer, then Canada should be proud! Believe me, the players here might get paid more but the quality of soccer is TERRIBLE. I admire the technical ability of most, if not all, the players in the CSL and hope that I would be able to make it as a goalkeeper in it one day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Cost of living in Canada is getting up there, consider the move carefully. I'm just curious, how are you able to watch CSL games in Australia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 there has been the odd player making some decent cash, I remember one was pulling in 25K for one year. However, a few teams dont pay anything. I'd contact some managers before anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted August 28, 2008 Share Posted August 28, 2008 Are ou sure he doesn't have the CSL mixed up with the USL/MLS??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus_keeper Posted August 29, 2008 Author Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hmmmm I see. bettermirror I'm talking about the CSL not the USL or MLS, I'm aware of the difference I know what I said might sound exaggerated but believe me, its good quality football. Btw I watched some CSL games from a friend, some from a thread on this site and some highlights on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 bettermirror, some teams in the CSL play better than some teams in the MLS and USL for sure. Just because the money exchanging hand is completely different, it doesn't make teams better in those big leagues. If Mo would have been running a club in the CSL, that club would be called London City because that is his capacity running the business of soccer in a pro club, but he holds a job in the "big leagues" and that doesn't make him better. He was just lucky and in the right place at the right time, he's not better than any body running clubs in the CSL. The same goes for the level of players in the USL and MLS, some of them are playing now in the CSL (David Di Placido) and some of the CSL players should be playing in MLS or USL. Guys, the only different between these leagues is the money involve, the people who run things, including soccer, are at the same mental level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Eric. where in my post did I say the quality of play - OR PERSONNEL - in CSL is below that of the MLS or USL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 ^ Isn't it what you meant? if not, I apologize. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 guys lets get real here. the CSL is great, love the league, have supported it for years. But in no way does a CSL team compare to an MLS side. A CSL all-star team could put up a fight with an MLS side. That the just the same as an MLS all-star team taking on an EPL side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 Give the CSL clubs and coaches the luxury to work with full time dedication with their clubs and then we'll talk. And give the players a descent salary. Right now there is a gap but not so much quality wise, mostly the main difference is that CSL personnel hold other jobs and have to make ends meet outside of soccer, give them the same possibilities as that MLS and USL personnel has and you'll see the difference being reduce to almost even in a matter of a couple of years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Eric Give the CSL clubs and coaches the luxury to work with full time dedication with their clubs and then we'll talk. And give the players a descent salary. Right now there is a gap but not so much quality wise, mostly the main difference is that CSL personnel hold other jobs and have to make hands meet out of soccer, give them the same possibilities as that MLS and USL personnel has and you'll see the difference being reduce to almost even in a matter of a couple of years. You must be related to the commissioner. 'Make hands meet'?? As in 'peeking' out an existence?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted August 29, 2008 Share Posted August 29, 2008 ^ Yes, I'm his evil twin..... but what are you, a priest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus_keeper Posted October 12, 2008 Author Share Posted October 12, 2008 haha. Look at what I've started! I see the CSL is wrapping up soon and I wanted to ask a few questions about next year. I hear that there are a few new teams being created (I don't recall the names) and I was wondering if this is really a good decision. From what I've seen none of the franchises in the CSL are making any kind of profit. If a league is not financially stable, then what benefits are there in expanding it? Here in Australia, the old national league, the NSL, was a lost hope due to rapid expansion, ethnic based clubs (violence) and a huge lack of financial support. The new A-league and its management are being very careful on the topic of expansion. They first make sure the existing franchises are covering all costs with ease and that any new franchises have the ability to do so as well. Not very sensible from the CSL, what do you guys think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speed Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Alright lads, im a 19 year old player from Ireland, currently playing semi-pro here for bray wanderers. heading over to Canada in 2009 to play in csl. I have talked to a Vpjr off this forum and he has helped me with alot of questions, nice bloke the lad is. He got me in contact with the Astros coach who i have been talking too, great guy too! Does anyone have a idea what foreign players do when they come to CSL? do they all have the proper visas or what happens? Do they all live in team apartments or what? Also i see there is a lot of 'foreign' players in the csl, but most of them are from canada and just born abroad? for instance go nakaogka the Japanese player, and john hurtis the french player, both for Astros. Also if anyone could give me some contacts to any of the coach's that would be fantasic, as all the emails on there websites, are all just computer generated emails and i am not getting any replys. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesoccer Posted October 14, 2008 Share Posted October 14, 2008 If your looking to come over seas to play in csl and make money, honestly your heading towards the wrong league. Also playing with the Astros i've heard many things that they don't pay players, low payments. Playing for the Astros and some one correct me if i'm wrong but the max you will get is 700 a month and that could be to much. Also I doubt they accommodate players. The team that has brought players over seas this year was pfc. In past years serbia did also Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aus_keeper Posted October 14, 2008 Author Share Posted October 14, 2008 Mate! Ireland has a fantastic league the Eircom league! If I was you I'd train hard and try out for a team in Ireland (I'm assuming your in the Republic of Ireland), you get heaps more money there than you would in the CSL. Hopefully the CSL can become fully professional one day. Haven't you asked the Astros coach anything about wages? After all that is your main incentive for going to the Canadian Soccer League isnt it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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