paul-toronto Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 I am glad he is mentioning it too. Hopefully, the city politicians will see this and approve plans for grass as they won't be getting more games in Toronto if the change is not made. I think he knew the ball was rolling on this issue and wanted to help. http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/story/?id=247518 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy K Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Good. Get rid of that field turf already! It is fine for a baseball game, but not soccer. (Although the natural grass at the old Varsity Stadium was much worse than the field turf) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Razcle Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Add him to the long list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl_19 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 TFC was talking abut potentially using some of the transfer money in the Edu deal to get natural grass. Hopefully thats a serious option although i guess since lots of public money goes into the stadium, TFC might not have the final say in the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 If Mitchell's team had won against Jamaica we'd not be hearing any complaints from him about the turf at BMO Field. This is just another case of two coaches (Mitchell & Johnson/Carver) looking to cover their butts for running losing teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard If Mitchell's team had won against Jamaica we'd not be hearing any complaints from him about the turf at BMO Field. This is just another case of two coaches (Mitchell & Johnson/Carver) looking to cover their butts for running losing teams. what makes you so sure they wouldn't? I've won games on crappy fields before and complained about it. It's the same field for both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard If Mitchell's team had won against Jamaica we'd not be hearing any complaints from him about the turf at BMO Field. This is just another case of two coaches (Mitchell & Johnson/Carver) looking to cover their butts for running losing teams. The players made it known they didn't like the field turf first time last year prior to the game against CR. They did again in June when they said they wanted to play all their WCQ games in Saputo stadium. I don't think it would've been professionnal from Mitchell to take a stance on that issue prior to last week game when he had to coach a team that had to play on that surface. Now that they don't play there again and with the recent discussion about grass at BMO I think it's good to hear DM on this issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 "what makes you so sure they wouldn't?" Because it is human nature to look for excuses for poor performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard "what makes you so sure they wouldn't?" Because it is human nature to look for excuses for poor performance. so you're an expert on human nature and field turf? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 A poor playing surface favours the weaker team. More than likely one of the reasons Jamaica tied Canada, and Toronto lost the Canadian spot in the upcoming CONCACAF Champion's League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 ^ Well I have more years of life experience than most here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 There's nothing poor about the playing surface at BMO Field. If you want a poor playing surface take a look at Jamaica's national stadium which their MNT coach has condemned as a disgrace. I suspect most selfrespecting players would take BMO Field over that place any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 ^ Never mind Jamaica. Let's just worry about our own back yard, which we can do something about. Field turf is shhit. That's why none of the top clubs in the world have it in their stadiums. It's a cheap alternative for poor clubs, and consequently doesn't lend itself well to good quality soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxG Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Why fieldturf sucks....The ball always gets caught on the fieldturf, it bounces wierd or too high, seen waaay too many ankle injuries on the turf (I just got a torn achilles tendon on the stuff), burns your feet on hot days, the rubber makes a weird smell on hot days and it doesn't suit a passing team let alone any pro team. But the sad thing is we need them in Vancouver or else we'd be playing on gravel the whole season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 The only thing worst is than field turf is field turf with grid iron football markings on it. Just look at New York. Kinda of like going back in time to the old NASL days. Shame on the Big Apple for treating the beautiful game in 2008 with such disrespect. Even the Chinees put the Yankees to shame when it comes to being able to lay a soccer pitch! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 Typical Deep Cove arguement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy K Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard There's nothing poor about the playing surface at BMO Field. If you want a poor playing surface take a look at Jamaica's national stadium which their MNT coach has condemned as a disgrace. I suspect most selfrespecting players would take BMO Field over that place any day. You're comparing Jamaica's national stadium to BMO Field????? One is an old stadium in a country with less resources than Canada. The other is a brand new stadium partially funded by Toronto tax payer's money. And as bad as their National Stadium's field is, I never heard the JFA consider field turf as a replacement. That tells you something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard There's nothing poor about the playing surface at BMO Field. If you want a poor playing surface take a look at Jamaica's national stadium which their MNT coach has condemned as a disgrace. I suspect most selfrespecting players would take BMO Field over that place any day. Wow, are you claiming that our players are not self-respecting? Do you own shares in the company that makes BMO's fieldturf? Why are you defending the fieldturf so fiercely? And why are you attacking our players and our coach? I smell something rotten here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 An old article on this topic: Pele backs artificial turf for 2010 World Cup Friday, 12 November 2004 Most football players aren't crazy about playing on artificial turf, but Pele the game's greatest player ever would like to see games at the 2010 FIFA World Cup in South Africa played on artificial-turf fields. Speaking to delegates at the 2004 Sports Turf Summit in Germany, the Brazilian soccer maestro said he recently played on artificial-turf at the training facilities of his former club Santos and that he was impressed by the new generation of synthetic surfaces. He also encouraged FIFA, the sport's world governing body, to ensure that some games at the 2010 World Cup in South Africa be played on artificial turf. "Everything's possible today. If the artificial grass is good the players will like it ? they want to play on good fields," said Pele, who led Brazil to World Cup victories in 1958, 1962 and 1970. "I trained on these artificial-turf pitches at Santos and they are perfect. Bad players used to give the excuse that the field was not good. But now they cannot do this. If they don't have good control it's their fault." No World Cup match has ever been played on a synthetic surface. However, earlier this year FIFA revised its regulations to allow qualifying matches for all its competitions to be played on artificial turf. FIFA president Sepp Blatter has previously said that matches at the FIFA 2010 World Cup could be played on artificial turf due to climatic problems in producing quality natural-grass pitches in South Africa. Pele played for the New York Cosmos of the old North American Soccer League during the 1970s and has first-hand experience of playing on old artificial turf. The soccer legend said the quality of today's artificial-turf fields represents a massive improvement from the ones he played on. "We had problems with the ball rolling too much and bouncing too high. And when you used to slide, you burnt yourself. But this new technology is like good natural turf." Traditionally, football players have voiced concerns over playing on artificial turf because they feel the risk of injury is greater, but acccording to Pele, "players don't get hurt as much as on natural grass. This is one of the great advantages." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 And a more recent article from this year: 2.12.2008 Turf Possible for 2010 World Cup FIFA president Sepp Blatter has admitted that there is a possibility of games being played on artificial turf at the 2010 World Cup in South Africa. "We have envisaged, though it's not yet a final decision, that the 2010 World Cup could be played on artificial turf," Blatter told BBC Sport. "I think it's now time in this region to think about artificial turf."Under the "Win in Africa with Africa" project, FIFA is laying an artificial pitch in all of its 53 member nations on the African continent, with the only exception being South Africa. Due to the extreme climates, many fields can be damaged or even unusable. Blatter suggests that playing on an artificial surface would equal the playing field as all countries would have the same field conditions, no matter their climate. "An artificial pitch gives you the same conditions during the whole year," said Blatter, who expressed his concern over the quality of the 2008 Nations Cup pitches in Ghana. "Artificial turf is a solution to the owners of stadiums - you can use it more than just once a week, you can use it for other sports," he suggested. "I think it's better than uneven ground, where control of the ball is not easy." Several of Major League Soccer's clubs use artificial turf, including the New England Revolution, New York Red Bulls, Toronto FC and Real Salt Lake, though New York and RSL are currently construction their own grass-field stadia. Many critics of the surface claim it is responsible for odd bounces and takes a greater toll on the athletes' body. David Beckham famously spoke out against the surface last year when trying to recover from a myriad of injuries, saying the FieldTurf surface was one of the things "not right" about Major League Soccer. He later issued an apology after realizing that FieldTurf is an actual company and not just the name of the surface. The English soccer star also admitted that three FieldTurf pitches are in use at one of his youth academies. "It's difficult but it's something we have to deal with," said the Los Angeles Galaxy midfielder. It's part of the MLS and we have to come to terms with it and I'm sure it will be fine." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realjamaican Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Robert A poor playing surface favours the weaker team. More than likely one of the reasons Jamaica tied Canada, and Toronto lost the Canadian spot in the upcoming CONCACAF Champion's League. if i continue to look past these silly whiny and illiterate comments it would make u seem ur right when u as far off as Jordan on the wizards....and this is the straw that broke the camel back. Jamaica is not a weak team that ur snobbish comments implies:(...plus we like the underdog role every body is gonna get a surprise sting from us. if we are weak and u cant beat us what does that makes you?! Canada has players that only play 1 way(which makes it easy to suppress them and jamaica outsmart them) which would suggest that theres not much talent there while jamaica is versalyle and has players that can play a variety of style, plus u didnt beat us which suggest we are not weak and ur not superior to us. What u should be doing is not mourning the result because honduras and mexico will lose to us and that opens up a chance for UNUH! so ur u and ur players need to realize that everyman should be giving a 110 percent toward the team objective and start playing with ur brains and not BRAWNs! The talent in Jamaica is immense in all aspects of sports(all we need is that world class guidance to harness our full potential) its just that we dont have the infrastructure and financial support.... and the way simoes scout he discovers a lot of raw talents and groom them plus if they weren't good enough to compete at a high level they wouldn't have made his team and i could argue that pound for pound jamaica has a lot more raw talent that can rival any international power all we needed was a media avenue to showcase that talent to the world which is what this WCQ campaign is doing. They may play at bigger clubs than us right now but i bet u after this competition there will be a lot of top class clubs calling for our guyz. I can assure u that there will be allot of disappointments for those so called strong sides in this group underestimate us at your own risk. JAMAICA TO THE WORL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 when was the last time Pele went in for a slide tackle? How old is he already? I wanna hear Messi or Ronaldinho lend their support... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy K Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Bill Spiers An old article on this topic: Pele backs artificial turf for 2010 World Cup Friday, 12 November 2004 I'm glad that's the way Pele felt four years ago. Back then, they had just developed the new brand of field turf we now see in BMO Field, and compared the preceding artificial turf, sure it is better. I myself have walked onto BMO Field's pitch, and it is still more slippery and harder than natural turf. Controlling a bouncing pass on that stuff from even a kid is tricky, let alone actual pros. If Montreal can have a stadium with a natural pitch so good that the players want all WCQ games there, then there's no reason Toronto cannot do the same. And as for that assessment that players would get hurt less on the field turf? What study/stats/proof did he have for that? Take a look at the TFC injury bay and then tell me players get injured less on that stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squizz1402635577 Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by realjamaican if i continue to look past these silly whiny and illiterate comments blah blah blah... No one's asking you to do that. In fact, a good way to avoid such comments would be to stay away from this board. Why do you act as if some irresistible force is compelling you to try and convince everyone on this board that Canada's team is garbage and Jamaica's team is terrific? It's clear you're not going to change anyone's mind, and no one is going to change yours. Therefore, your usefulness on this message board is zero. Do you honestly have nothing better to do with your time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realjamaican Posted August 25, 2008 Share Posted August 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Robert A poor playing surface favours the weaker team. More than likely one of the reasons Jamaica tied Canada, and Toronto lost the Canadian spot in the upcoming CONCACAF Champion's League. Poor playing surface favor team that are adaptable and versatile, obviously canada is not. Toronto fc lost because they are a crap shute! team... i watched them last Saturday they a seriously wack! thats why the lost to white caps. Canada is being fooled by the media (like england) to believe they are a much better Team than they really are they may have some good individuals but their team work is not Nsync and they are going to learn that the hard way unless they get their head from out the clouds and see how mediocre they really are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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