Canadian manager Mitchell mistakes vs Jamaica

[Javier]

I saw the game on wed, and i have some remakrs about it,.. I wish he may read this, but i dont think so, by the way part of my girlfriend`s family moved to Calgary a few years ago.

Just to let you know.

1-Amateurism......... he called ONLY 18, players ONE was hurt, then showed up for this game with one sub LESS , Imagine if this happenes in Wales, Ireland , Argentina or even Haiti.. At least 20 players in the panel/roster, if u want to call up only 18 from abroad, ok, but just get some youngsters to fill up the gaps, or some top players from your top 3teams.

2- Tactics, he was overplayed by Simoes. I saw the whole game , and Mithcell never stand up to give directions to his players, maybe he is very calm, and cold blooded, but this games are finals. Specially is those 5 minutes that he got his team 1-0, i think that he should have stand up to ask the guys to be calm, that was the time to "WORK" the game. Stop the ball, make the jamaicans nervous. and move the ball arround.

3-Holding Midfielder and pressure all the field. Big mistake, for my viewing , since he did not include Imhoff as a holding mid, so hutchinson de guzman the the other 3 could pressure more , in advanced positions specially in 1st half. Maybe he did not have time to practice this game .

..I also saw too many fouls from canucks almsot 30, and sometimes they gave away too much time the ball especially in midfield. But that is ralated with the lack of time given and that most of the team is from abroad.

Well i hope he can improve this , and get the result that people and players deserve

[Keegan]

quote:Originally posted by Javier

2- Tactics, he was overplayed by Simoes. I saw the whole game , and Mithcell never stand up to give directions to his players, maybe he is very calm, and cold blooded, but this games are finals. Specially is those 5 minutes that he got his team 1-0, i think that he should have stand up to ask the guys to be calm, that was the time to "WORK" the game. Stop the ball, make the jamaicans nervous. and move the ball arround.

I agree with this. I was pretty nervous after the first goal, should have told his players to concentrate and we wouldn't have given up that corner.

[Daniel]

quote:Originally posted by Javier

3-Holding Midfielder and pressure all the field. Big mistake, for my viewing , since he did not include Imhoff as a holding mid, so hutchinson de guzman the the other 3 could pressure more , in advanced positions specially in 1st half. Maybe he did not have time to practice this game .

Putting in Dero as an offensive mid instead of sticking with a d-mid (Imhoff/Bernier) to free up Hutch and JDG, who were much too deep. Dero is at his best with Canada when him and the other winger are running at the fullbacks. Put him back on the left with Radz on the right, and Imhoff in front of the defenders.

[Keegan]

Like I said before Hutchinson isn't a defensive midfielder. I don't care if he has played there before he just isn't best at d-mid.

We need Imhof as holding Mid, we need him to be ultra defensive. In the middle have DeRo and DeGuz BOTH attacking. On the wings have Radzinski and Hutchinson. This is a winning combo.

[Javier]

i like hutchinson he is a patrick viera type, but he needs a makelele arround so he can move forward, and let de guzman to do shiny things that he does at deportivo.

i like de rosario and radzinski has experience which is important for this games.

but imhoff is a javier mascerano type, plays with determination and anticipation. is important for a holding midfielder.

i do like bernier but bernier is more alike to de guzman and hutchinson. other options could be nsaliwa/serioux or harmse in my point of view., but to play serioux as def mid you need to put mackenna or edgar at the back

to me imhoff hutchinson

de rosario radzinski

de guzman

friend

[Javier]

and the main problem that canada had in the whole game was giving away a lot of balls, in midfield , canada needed a tactic player the other day , some that can push forward and deliver the ball to a free de guzman to kill of the game after 1-0

[Tractor Boy]

Where was Jamie Peters??? Not even in the squad???

[Sam]

quote:Originally posted by Keegan

Like I said before Hutchinson isn't a defensive midfielder. I don't care if he has played there before he just isn't best at d-mid.

We need Imhof as holding Mid, we need him to be ultra defensive. In the middle have DeRo and DeGuz BOTH attacking. On the wings have Radzinski and Hutchinson. This is a winning combo.

For me Bernier over Imhof. I know a lot of people disagree, but I think the Defensive midfielder is key, because not only does it give Hutch and Jules more license to move forward, but it also allows them to be more agressive in their tackling, which is one of DeGuzman's strengths.

[Daniel]

quote:Originally posted by Keegan

We need Imhof as holding Mid, we need him to be ultra defensive. In the middle have DeRo and DeGuz BOTH attacking. On the wings have Radzinski and Hutchinson. This is a winning combo.

Hutch has never played on the wing for us and Dero seemed lost in the middle.

[VPjr]

quote:Originally posted by Javier

i like hutchinson he is a patrick viera type, but he needs a makelele arround so he can move forward, and let de guzman to do shiny things that he does at deportivo.

Maybe its because I agree with him 100% on this issue but this is why I really like Javier's input.

I totally agree that Hutchison is a poor man's Patrick Viera and without a hard man by his side to do some of the dirty work, he'll be spending way too much time doing the dirty work himself and that just means 1 less attacking option going forward.

Hutch was quite effective winning balls in MF and obviously he'll be expected to do that sometimes but he needs the freedom to push forward

There are other little tactical issues to be concerned with too. There is also the equally worrying issue of Mitchell's sideline (and probably locker room) demeanour. Msybe's too much to expect but Mitchell needs to wake up and exhibit that he understands the urgency of the situation. There are a lot of people in the soccer community who are quite concerned about what they saw from Mitchell after Wednesday's performance. Dale had better coax a win from his team on Sept 6 or the calls for his job are going to get LOUD. They've already begun, to some degree....see this link from Inside Soccer magazine:

http://www.insidesoccer.net/

[Javier]

well, argies TYPHOON Carlos Bianchi, and Jose Pekerman are available,

[Cheeta]

quote:Originally posted by VPjr

Maybe its because I agree with him 100% on this issue but this is why I really like Javier's input.

I totally agree that Hutchison is a poor man's Patrick Viera and without a hard man by his side to do some of the dirty work, he'll be spending way too much time doing the dirty work himself and that just means 1 less attacking option going forward.

Hutch was quite effective winning balls in MF and obviously he'll be expected to do that sometimes but he needs the freedom to push forward

There are other little tactical issues to be concerned with too. There is also the equally worrying issue of Mitchell's sideline (and probably locker room) demeanour. Msybe's too much to expect but Mitchell needs to wake up and exhibit that he understands the urgency of the situation. There are a lot of people in the soccer community who are quite concerned about what they saw from Mitchell after Wednesday's performance. Dale had better coax a win from his team on Sept 6 or the calls for his job are going to get LOUD. They've already begun, to some degree....see this link from Inside Soccer magazine:

http://www.insidesoccer.net/

Whoah. Seems like there are some mind readers out there...

First off I think Hutch is probably the most coachable player in the history of man-kind. But it's always struck me as curious that we have Hutch playing more of the ball winning role that The Guz is so familiar with at Depor while we have The Guz playing more of an attacking/linking role in Canada's midfield even while Hutch's beening used as more of an attacker with Copenhagen in a variety of roles. As much as it's just seems to have evolved that way I'm not sure that's we've found the right formula yet.

Re; Mitch. Well, it's difficult. I was quite sure Hart's vigor would compliment Mitch's more staid approach but I'm not sure. Mitch and Hart both have to be comfortable with Hart taking on that more interactive role, which could prove to be a bit delicate because that sort of role puts Hart front & center with the players, fans, and media. Not sure Mitch would want to expose himself to that given his record with the U20s and Harts tenure as "caretaker" of the MNT.

[realjamaican]

Canada HAKUNA MATATA...Simoes ago take care of mexico 2-1 just make sure u take care of honduras 1-0and the two a wi gone a hex...HAKUNA MATATA.

Canada can beat honduras easily them OVERRATED plus them comin to montreal underestimating canada so jus give them a wake up call. My greatest wish is to see canada and jamaica thru to the hex and its possible just go out there and work extremely hard and take no team 4 granted.

They will most likely be useing the same counter attacking tactics like waht they use in mexico which is same jamaica use against you.

What u need to conquer tactics like that is quick passing (1 touch).

[lefoot]

for sure i think simoes outsmarted mitchell on the coaching front. first of all simoes throws some quotes at the media, knowing he is coming to canada he trashes the local game, fans etc. places all the pressure on himself as this sort of badboy figure. he understands drama. that is the key for me, in a coach at any high level, especially international ball. each game is so exclusive, so relevant, there is no room for hesitation in terms of tactical decisions, both in terms of psychological and physical etc. even the quote by simoes after the game, where he says he had a good laugh after the jamaica goal, as he has seen williams practice these corners toward goal etc. its a sort of instilled arrogance, tone, style, that if we don't create in our own leadership we will never come close to a world cup. throw the first verbal punch. articulate, frustrate the opposition. clearly we have been on the receiving end of this sort of psychological treatment in concacaf for as long as i can remember. yes from the refs, yes from the opposition fans, media, players. look at how the americans learned to overcome this. look toward the absolute arrogance of the USSF, their head coaches, the players etc. we can have our own canadian style strut, arrogance, presence, tone. this is a psychological battle in sport, especially in WCQ. each game is huge!

throw the first punch so to speak.

we need a coach that can turn a phrase. i want a coach on the sidelines who instills a level of confidence, presence. sorry but simoes, with his cheesy mustache and tracksuit, looked like the serious vet of international ball. his players each had an absolute understanding of tactic, and strategy. how and when to throw the quick cheap foul, grab a jersey, etc. our players would do this in a reactionary sense, when its apparent, the ref is there to observe. we need to ride that line, that grey area of fair play, psychological warfare, which is a huge factor in swaying the tide in a football match. obviously our players were a bit uptight after we scored, and to give up the kind of goal we did, i was extremely nervous throughout the rest of the game.

if we want to be the attacking club who doesn't rely on the counterattack, then we need the serious presence to demonstrate this. and yes its absolutely ridiculous to not have 20 players at camp. call in some young guns. look at how local and young the jamaica lineup was. call in two or three more bodies, flesh out the training, fill in spots, push the youth in, even though they will likely not make the roster or see the field.

very frustrating tactics from mitchell. i would expect him to not play the game of canadian niceness. its annoying to hear repetitive quotes about how we did well, got a point etc. look at how americans blatantly and aggressively call out their opponents. they have somehow as a nation learned to frustrate and belittle the mexican side. a country that used to wipe them clean on a regular basis. i would like to see a proper full camp before the honduras game, and some sharp verbal tactics toward honduras.

also, our formation has become predictable. i agree we need imhof in there to enforce and settle down the centre. bernier strays too much for me.

i think another major point, that i find really frustrating, our players always overreact when a call does not go their way. we are the whiny school kids who everyone wants to win, but we cry constantly about the rules. those kids/teams never win the tournament. again this is where the arrogance becomes a factor. i really believe we need a new coach to instill this sort of tone, elitism, that i am sorry, is a major factor in tactics and world football.

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by VPjr

Maybe its because I agree with him 100% on this issue but this is why I really like Javier's input.

I totally agree that Hutchison is a poor man's Patrick Viera and without a hard man by his side to do some of the dirty work, he'll be spending way too much time doing the dirty work himself and that just means 1 less attacking option going forward.

Hutch was quite effective winning balls in MF and obviously he'll be expected to do that sometimes but he needs the freedom to push forward

There are other little tactical issues to be concerned with too. There is also the equally worrying issue of Mitchell's sideline (and probably locker room) demeanour. Msybe's too much to expect but Mitchell needs to wake up and exhibit that he understands the urgency of the situation. There are a lot of people in the soccer community who are quite concerned about what they saw from Mitchell after Wednesday's performance. Dale had better coax a win from his team on Sept 6 or the calls for his job are going to get LOUD. They've already begun, to some degree....see this link from Inside Soccer magazine:

http://www.insidesoccer.net/

I can't get the link to work. Maybe if I read it I can get a clearer understanding of the critiques on Mitchell's demeanour. So people want him to be more vocal from the touch lines?

quote:Originally posted by Cheeta

Re; Mitch. Well, it's difficult. I was quite sure Hart's vigor would compliment Mitch's more staid approach but I'm not sure. Mitch and Hart both have to be comfortable with Hart taking on that more interactive role, which could prove to be a bit delicate because that sort of role puts Hart front & center with the players, fans, and media. Not sure Mitch would want to expose himself to that given his record with the U20s and Harts tenure as "caretaker" of the MNT.

That could very well be the issue, Cheeta. As for the opinions regarding Hutch's role in midfield, I totally agree with you, Javier, VPjr, et al.

[VPjr]

quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA

I can't get the link to work. Maybe if I read it I can get a clearer understanding of the critiques on Mitchell's demeanour. So people want him to be more vocal from the touch lines?

That could very well be the issue, Cheeta. As for the opinions regarding Hutch's role in midfield, I totally agree with you, Javier, VPjr, et al.

the link worked for me but here is the text of the editorial written by Publisher Alfons Ruebbens on the insidesoccer.net site:

Amnesia is the national team’s only option right now . . . . .

I am glad our national players still believe they can pull off victory.

People, however, are naive and do not see the real picture. The drivel on the internet is unreal.

Changing player Peter with player Paul is not the issue. It is a waste of time.

We need a leader.

On several occasions I have said: Mitchell is a gentleman. A first class human being, however, Canada and the MNT, need an experience international coach to LEAD us to World Cup 2010 in South Africa.

Mitchell is one of us. Like you, me - and so many others - we know a lot about the game, but none of us have the expertise to enter the international level.

The hiring of an experienced international coach will cost a fortune, but haven’t we learned millions of dollars are awaiting at the stadium gates? And once Canada starts winning and advancing in the world the big sponsors will be drooling to get involved.

We can no longer think, nor act, as small and decent Canadians. We MUST learn to compete at international levels. A huge change is needed. NOW before it is too late.

To those who say: “We can wait six more years”, I say: “You are nuts”.

I believe, six more years of pent up frustration can, and will do more harm than good. I very much doubt the present MNT fan support will stay at its present level. More importantly ‘our best players ever’ will be old and heading towards the pasture.

In life we must make decisions. The MNT needs an enthusiastic leader, who can direct play and change strategies - when needed - during the game.

Alfons

[Javier]

well for mE , I MLIEK BERNIER HE PLAYED WELL, BUT HE IS A PLAYER to crative and offensive to play as holding mid. HE PLAYED WELL. i think he should canada`s number 12 player, i mean the first sub, he can play in any position in midfield. and if de guzman/hutchinson not there, the natural replacement.

Hutchinson , i mean what is saw from him w/ canada and fc coppen, is a BOX to BOX midfielder someone that can drive the midfield, can break the transition of the rival,and can run between lines, he is a vertical player, but he needs someone that can stop the traffic in midfield someone w/tactic sense, that was the factor that was lacking from canada after 1-0, and yes the players got very nervous after winning , MITCHELL SHOULD HAVE JUMPED FROM BACKLINE TO Stop it , and put the pressure over the jamaicans and the remaining minutes ...

i saw him very passive for an international manager, imagine what mourinho would do, or Bianchi, Pekerman, Trapatoni, Lippi, Felipao, Fergie, i think CSA needs to hire a top manager as at least a consultant ....WCQ are finals

[lefoot]

as i said, the only emotion we get is reactionary. to a bad call. the only time i see that dominating presence on the sideline is when the ref has once again gone against us in favour of a dive etc. i want a personality on the sideline. if he is canadian so be it. i just think a real tactition would have somehow messed with simoes. tactically and psychologically. i want us to strut into our away matches with a serious presence and arrogance. that is how the US has qualified for the last few world cups. its an overall sense of superiority on and off the field. we have the players, but i think we lack a real sense of leadership from the sidelines.

i think mitchell is too intimidated, you don't just grow into this sort of position as head coach of a national team. we have no room for trial and error, learning curves etc. if the coach is canadian, so be it, but i want him to seriously understand the modern game, make tactical decisions, and yes...as was stated..its pathetic to be short a player leading into the game. fill the roster out! pathetic! we have a number of options! fill it out! it shows an overall level of competency as an organization etc...and in a sense is another level of arrogance. if you bring in a youth to fill out the training, it says to the opposition, they have any number of players ready for this level. not...oh...wow..that one guy is injured...oh well..no one else is ready to play at this level...guess we won't replace him! what is going to happen to us if deguzman goes down?

[maccaliam]

quote:Originally posted by Daniel

Putting in Dero as an offensive mid instead of sticking with a d-mid (Imhoff/Bernier) to free up Hutch and JDG, who were much too deep. Dero is at his best with Canada when him and the other winger are running at the fullbacks. Put him back on the left with Radz on the right, and Imhoff in front of the defenders.

I am hoping this will be how the team starts for the honduran game too.

This was what I was hoping to see for the Jamaica game but I guess Dale saw it differently.

[BearcatSA]

Thanks for the info, Dino!

So by "enthusiastic leader" I take it that Ruebbens wants someone who is more vocal and passionate on the sidelines while he gives tactical instructions to the players?

I also appreciate lefoot's detailed assessment in looking at the psychological warfare some of the world's best managers use to get that competitive edge against an opponent. Thanks, bud!

[Keegan]

quote:Originally posted by Tractor Boy

Where was Jamie Peters??? Not even in the squad???

Until Jaime is a consistent starter in the CCC there isn't really a chance of him making the squad (except many many Injuries). For comparison look at Iain Hume he isn't even a guarantee to be called and he is one of the better players in the CCC

[VPjr]

quote:Originally posted by Keegan

Until Jaime is a consistent starter in the CCC there isn't really a chance of him making the squad (except many many Injuries). For comparison look at Iain Hume he isn't even a guarantee to be called and he is one of the better players in the CCC

I think its more accurate to say that Hume is a good CCC player. I think its a tad of a stretch to rate him higher than that. Hume definitely does some things well though and is an important supersub for Canada

[BearcatSA]

^As I posted on the other thread, Ipswich is rumoured to be trying to loan out Peters, so I guess the next time we'll be seeing him is in League One or Two.

[Keegan]

quote:Originally posted by VPjr

I think its more accurate to say that Hume is a good CCC player. I think its a tad of a stretch to rate him higher than that. Hume definitely does some things well though and is an important supersub for Canada

by one of the better players I meant around top 30. Which I think is probably accurate.

[The Ref]

I think our boys need to lift their game up when they play as a National Team, this is not Club soccer. Other countries lift their game up when wearing their national colors. I don't think Mitchell is the man to know this. As far as being overcoached by Simoes, well what can we expect, Simoes is a 1.5 million dollar man while our Mitchell is maybe a 200K man.