Gian-Luca Posted August 17, 2008 Share Posted August 17, 2008 An ugly 2-0 loss for TFC. TFC had an extra man for nearly all the second half but you wouldn't know it from the game. They created very few chances with the extra man, one of which came from new acquisition Johann Smith who blew past a defender but chose to shoot instead of passing to a wide open Barrett. NY also had far too much of the ball for a team down a man. TFC's midfield was generally horrible at distribution, as was their central defense. NY got a goal late in the first half as Velez stood and ball watched and raised his arm hoping for an offside flag and then couldn't catch up with the midfield attacker. Then a late goal in 2nd half injury time with most of TFC up the field. Dichio played one minute as he took an elbow to the head a minute after starting the 2nd half as a sub, which brought out the red card. Hopefully he's not re-injured with a concussion. On the positive side, Nana Attakora got another start at right back and looked decent once again as a teenage kid playing out of position. His distribution can occasionally need a bit of work but he's far better at it than Julius James (who is five years his senior lets remember) is and I think he should get the start ahead of James once Wynne's jet-lag is gone. Carver has to stop playing Harmse with Robinson in the middle when Guevara is absent. Rosenlund would be a better attacking midfield option. Robert has joined my list of players not to be brought back next season. He was brutal in the first half and it was no surprise he didn't come out for the second. He's been going downhill since a promising start and it's not like he's getting any younger. And while Jarrod Smith continues to take a regular part in first team action there is no reason for TFC not to be interested in Will Johnson (if that is the case - all we've heard is that they "aren't in the mix" which is a bit vague). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca An ugly 2-0 loss for TFC. TFC had an extra man for nearly all the second half but you wouldn't know it from the game. They created very few chances with the extra man, one of which came from new acquisition Johann Smith who blew past a defender but chose to shoot instead of passing to a wide open Barrett. NY also had far too much of the ball for a team down a man. TFC's midfield was generally horrible at distribution, as was their central defense. NY got a goal late in the first half as Velez stood and ball watched and raised his arm hoping for an offside flag and then couldn't catch up with the midfield attacker. Then a late goal in 2nd half injury time with most of TFC up the field. Dichio played one minute as he took an elbow to the head a minute after starting the 2nd half as a sub, which brought out the red card. Hopefully he's not re-injured with a concussion. On the positive side, Nana Attakora got another start at right back and looked decent once again as a teenage kid playing out of position. His distribution can occasionally need a bit of work but he's far better at it than Julius James (who is five years his senior lets remember) is and I think he should get the start ahead of James once Wynne's jet-lag is gone. Carver has to stop playing Harmse with Robinson in the middle when Guevara is absent. Rosenlund would be a better attacking midfield option. Robert has joined my list of players not to be brought back next season. He was brutal in the first half and it was no surprise he didn't come out for the second. He's been going downhill since a promising start and it's not like he's getting any younger. And while Jarrod Smith continues to take a regular part in first team action there is no reason for TFC not to be interested in Will Johnson (if that is the case - all we've heard is that they "aren't in the mix" which is a bit vague). I doubt Robert will be back. Nana was good. James didn't mark his man (Magee) and see what happens! Velez almost got to Magee but he was covering up for James who stopped running assuming an offside call allowing Magee to take off on him. Wynne and Guevara's return will help greatly. Ya, the Dichio thing is a concern. Hopefully it isn't a concussion but if it is, I doubt we'll see him again this year. On the bright side, that will force Mo to do some dealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Good (ya there was something in there): - Nana continues to play well - The new Smith looks like he'll be a project, but something worth while The negatives: - Just about everything else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Johann Smith seems a bit over enamoured with step overs but his speed is jaw dropping. He needs to learn to play and use his tools but I suspect he will be good. Nana looked good on a day when everyone looked pretty bad. Barrett's not much of a finisher, is he? I guess he is as advertised. Sutton looked shaky. James is a disaster. I guess what they say about UCONN players is true...they look great in that system and not so much outside that system. Will that reputation hang over O'Brien White? As I've mentioned in some of my CSL posts...TFC has been generally the opposite of entertaining for the past 2 months...I have more fun at the average CSL game than I do watching TFC lately. Its demoralizing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 ^ Speaking of which, Dino did you see that TFC Academy-NY Astros match on Friday night? Now that was just a fun, dramatic game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Does Sutton's performance have any bearing on whether or not he will start for Canada, I wonder? Seems to me, for a variety of reasons, that Onstad has to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 ^ Speaking of which, Dino did you see that TFC Academy-NY Astros match on Friday night? Now that was just a fun, dramatic game! I was most certainly at Lamport for Astros - TFCA...have you not read my very unprofessional recap? I am gutted! After watching today's piece of crap TFC game, i wonder if I would not be wiser to just drop my TFC season tickets and watch their games on TV and just go watch CSL games live because they are significantly more entertaining right now. I probably won't do it but it crosses my mind at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 Do we want those lines at our field.TFC well it is no fun to watch this team being taken apart. Being a Leaf subscriber I am trained to live with it,are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 TFC (the team, not the supporters) are rapidly becoming the sad sacks of MLS if they're not already there yet!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltfc91 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 I don't know why no one notices, but the first goal was Sutton's fault. He should have came off his line and blasted the ball out. He had more than enough time to calmly go out of his boc and smash it away. GOalies have to come out for that ball and it really cost him. In the second half I blame the whole midfield except Robinson for lack of effort. Harmse, Ricketts, Jarrod Smith all just watched as NY passed the ball causing us to have very little possession. PS. I pray to God that Dichio is allright. I was so happy he came in and 13 seconds later some assh*le elbows him in the head. If Diciho misses more time I say we jump the bastard who elbowed him Noone should be complaining about our turf. I could barely follow the game with those stupid lines and the ball kept flying out of bounds, no one can keep up with it. Ours is heaven compared to NewYork's turf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFC07 Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 This team is a disgrace to game of football. Football gods are probably laughing at our team right now. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 18, 2008 Share Posted August 18, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Carver has to stop playing Harmse with Robinson in the middle when Guevara is absent. Rosenlund would be a better attacking midfield option. I admitted in another thread that he's my whipping boy but I certainly feel fully justified in my criticisms after watching his performance yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 19, 2008 Author Share Posted August 19, 2008 I didn't think Harmse had a good game but I thought the whole midfield was poor, and to be fair to Kevin, he's totally unsuited to playing an offensive midfield role. Put him next to Robinson and one of them is bound to be superfluous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca I didn't think Harmse had a good game but I thought the whole midfield was poor, and to be fair to Kevin, he's totally unsuited to playing an offensive midfield role. Put him next to Robinson and one of them is bound to be superfluous. I agree with that. Harmse is not a totally horrible player. He can play the defensive role adequately well but put him next to Robinson and he will not compare well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew W Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 ^ Agree with both. In this situation I agree with the idea that Rosenlund is a better option than Harmse. Not only is he a little more offensive, but he hustled a lot defensively vs. Colorado and isn't prone to stupid yellow cards. I've noticed in his two lengthy appearances, that while Tyler didn't rip it up by any means, he shows for the ball and shows more of a willingness to get forward. From what I saw of Olympic qualifying, I'd prefer Hemming to Harmse if Robinson is missing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted August 19, 2008 Share Posted August 19, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard TFC (the team, not the supporters) are rapidly becoming the sad sacks of MLS if they're not already there yet!! It was actually a major improvement on the corresponding fixture last season although admittedly that would not be difficult given Braz, Reda, Welsh, Samuel and Lombardo all started in that game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by dbailey62 I agree with that. Harmse is not a totally horrible player. He can play the defensive role adequately well but put him next to Robinson and he will not compare well. I am not willing to be as charitable as you two. This is a very limited player who has failed to show me any real improvement over the first time I saw him play in the MNT Venezuela match last year, an individual who has very inconsistent technical skills (i.e. trapping the ball) and as a result often doesn't receive passes from his teammates even when he's the best open option (after the Barrett p.k. appeal, the 30 yd clearence went straight to him but his poor first touch allowed the ball to bounce away to a Red Bull player and a counterattack was initiated). I think his defensive abilities are also somewhat limited in scope: though he's good at being a road block in front of the back four and making some pass interceptions, he's not really a quick tackling, ball winning type of d-mid. I can't remember seeing him make any decisive ball winning tackles vs NY, instead I did see him struggle with quickness in having to close down Rojas on a number of occasions. Since TFC have this high tech ProZone system, I am curious to see how he has graded out over the season in comparison to the other midfielders in such areas as number of touches/passes, passing accuracy, possession losses, and tackles won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BearcatSA I am not willing to be as charitable as you two. This is a very limited player who has failed to show me any real improvement over the first time I saw him play in the MNT Venezuela match last year, an individual who has very inconsistent technical skills (i.e. trapping the ball) and as a result often doesn't receive passes from his teammates even when he's the best open option (after the Barrett p.k. appeal, the 30 yd clearence went straight to him but his poor first touch allowed the ball to bounce away to a Red Bull player and a counterattack was initiated). I think his defensive abilities are also somewhat limited in scope: though he's good at being a road block in front of the back four and making some pass interceptions, he's not really a quick tackling, ball winning type of d-mid. I can't remember seeing him make any decisive ball winning tackles vs NY, instead I did see him struggle with quickness in having to close down Rojas on a number of occasions. Since TFC have this high tech ProZone system, I am curious to see how he has graded out over the season in comparison to the other midfielders in such areas as number of touches/passes, passing accuracy, possession losses, and tackles won. Prozone software probably melted down when it saw how low our passing pecentage was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted August 20, 2008 Share Posted August 20, 2008 ^lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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