Razcle Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 So I've been reading up a lot on some our our overseas players and trying to gauge the depth our national team actually has and it is not that easy. Sure we have a "Canadian's Abroad" list however realistically only a few of those lads could crack the WCQ roster list even as a darkhorse. So I am interested to read what kind of depth we actually have. I am going to write down a list of positions and I'm looking for who can fill those slots as starters or as depth players. Excuse me if I don't know proper positions I would love to see who else could step in for this qualifying period. GoalKeeper Pat Onstad Greg Sutton Lars Hirschfeld Kenny Stamatopoulos Asmir Begovic (Depth) CenterBack Adrian Serioux Richard Hastings Kevin McKenna Tam Nsaliwa Andre Hainault Adrian Cann (Depth) David Edgar (Depth) RightBack (wing) Paul Stalteri Nik Ledgerwood LeftBack (wing) Mike Klukowski Jim Brennan Ante Jazic Josh Simpson HoldingMidField Julian de Guzman AttackingMidField Dwayne De Rosario Issey Nakajima-Farran Patrice Bernier Atiba Hutchinson Daniel Imhof Tomasz Radzinski Jamie Peters (Depth) Forward Ali Gerba Rob Friend Iain Hume Oliver Occean Will Johnson (Depth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 You forgot Imhof in the midfield, Id put Jazic on the left side of defence. Hastings in the middle, I think Ledgerwood is right side of defence. Id also move Peters and Radzinski to attacking midfield. Im not sure about where exactly Nsaliwa plays, thought it was midfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 No offense but your chart's a bit out to lunch. Jazic is a left footed left back, not a right back. Serioux is a center back or holding mid and is right footed, not a left back. I rate Edgar but honestly I don't think he'll play this qualifying cycle and it'd be dangerous to throw him in there at this point since he'll have no chemistry with the rest of the line. We have five options at center back. McKenna, Hastings, Serioux, Brennan and Kluko. Klukowski prefers left back and is a lock there based on recent performance. Brennan is cover for Kluko at left back or cover for Hastings/Serioux at center back. Jazic is cover for left back. Don't forget Josh Simpson who can play left back or left mid/wing. Due to depth at left back he could come into our midfield. I could only see Occean coming in at this point if Friend and Gerba are both injured or unavailable. He's our third choice target man. With the amount of mids we have getting first team minutes I can't see Peters being used this cycle. Hume is available as offensive injection late in a game which will probably see Johnson missing out, but if Hume is unavailable (or filling in for someone like Radzinski) I could see him making the bench and maybe a couple late entries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KAS Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 You are missing our Dutch boy, Marcel DeJong (sp?). Left-back or either wing. Good speed, good skill and left-footed. Mitchell thinks very highly of him so he will play. Tam could also be used as holding Mid and Right-back, but we still don't know if he will play. If he can, then Ledgerwood will not be called as Tam could cover an injury to Stalteri. Imhof should be listed as holding Mid. Baring injury to others, that is the only place where I see him getting playing time. Truthfully, I think that Cann, Peters, Johnson and Occean can be removed for atleast the 2008 WCQ cycle. Kenny, Begovic, Ledgerwood, and maybe Simpson are also outside shots for actual playing time in 2008. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Bernier and Imhof are holding mids while De Guzman isnt a holding mid for us really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 This is considering Canada plays the 4-1-4-1, which they won't, but they should... Keeper (1) 1. Pat Onstad 2. Greg Sutton 3. Asmir Begovic 4. Lars Hirschfeld Right Back (1) 1. Paul Stalteri 2. Ante Jazic Left Back (1) 1. Jim Brennan 2. Mike Klukowski 3. Marcel DeJong 4. Josh Simpson Center Back (2) 1. Kevin McKenna 2. Richard Hastings 3. Adrian Serioux 4. Andre Hainault 5. David Edgar Defensive Midfielder (1) 1. Tam Nsaliwa 2. Patrice Bernier 3. Daniel Imhof Right Attacking Midfielder (1) 1. Tomasz Radzinski 2. Iain Hume 3. Jamie Peters Center Midfielder (2) 1. Julian De Guzman 2. Atiba Hutchinson 3. (Any of the previously mentioned defensive midfielders) Left Attacking Midfielder (1) 1. Dwayne De Rosario 2. Issey Nakajima-Ferrin 3. Will Johnson Striker (1) 1. Rob Friend 2. Ali Gerba 3. Oliver Occean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan This is considering Canada plays the 4-1-4-1, which they won't, but they should... Keeper (1) 1. Pat Onstad 2. Greg Sutton 3. Asmir Begovic 4. Lars Hirschfeld Right Back (1) 1. Paul Stalteri 2. Ante Jazic Left Back (1) 1. Jim Brennan 2. Mike Klukowski 3. Marcel DeJong 4. Josh Simpson Center Back (2) 1. Kevin McKenna 2. Richard Hastings 3. Adrian Serioux 4. Andre Hainault 5. David Edgar Defensive Midfielder (1) 1. Tam Nsaliwa 2. Patrice Bernier 3. Daniel Imhof Right Attacking Midfielder (1) 1. Tomasz Radzinski 2. Iain Hume 3. Jamie Peters Center Midfielder (2) 1. Julian De Guzman 2. Atiba Hutchinson 3. (Any of the previously mentioned defensive midfielders) Left Attacking Midfielder (1) 1. Dwayne De Rosario 2. Issey Nakajima-Ferrin 3. Will Johnson Striker (1) 1. Rob Friend 2. Ali Gerba 3. Oliver Occean Begovic in front of Hirschfeld??? Asmir has only played a handfull of game in League 1 and 2 in the past 2 years. I'm not sure how you can prefer him to Lars even if Lars club situation isn't optimal right now. If Lars doesn't start for Cluj I say he's number 3, if he does he can be number 1, 2 or 3. Nik L. should provide depth at RB instead of Jazic who's a left back. Speaking of LB I wouldn't put J. Simpson there, I would say he's a left winger and would be providing depth behind DeRo and Issey. BTW, I would start Imhoff at D-mid instead of Nsaliwa, Imoff is a starter in a stronger league than Tam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola Begovic in front of Hirschfeld??? Asmir has only played a handfull of game in League 1 and 2 in the past 2 years. I'm not sure how you can prefer him to Lars even if Lars club situation isn't optimal right now. If Lars doesn't start for Cluj I say he's number 3, if he does he can be number 1, 2 or 3. Nik L. should provide depth at RB instead of Jazic who's a left back. Speaking of LB I wouldn't put J. Simpson there, I would say he's a left winger and would be providing depth behind DeRo and Issey. BTW, I would start Imhoff at D-mid instead of Nsaliwa, Imoff is a starter in a stronger league than Tam. Begovic gets more playing time than Hirschfeld right now, even if it is with the reserves I think until Lars starts with Cluj he should be behind Begovic. As for Ledgerwood and Jazic I rate Jazic higher, and we don't have a problem at left back with Brennan, Klukowski, and DeJong, but we do need more help behind Stalteri at right back. Josh Simpson can play as a midfielder or fullback, just like DeJong, where you want him is really up in the air, as he would be a good utility player off the bench. With Imhoff I have never seen him play a great game for Canada. Bernier and Nsaliwa have both proven they can be impact players for Canada. Especially in a 4-1-4-1 where Bernier's passing range is fantastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan Begovic gets more playing time than Hirschfeld right now, even if it is with the reserves I think until Lars starts with Cluj he should be behind Begovic. As for Ledgerwood and Jazic I rate Jazic higher, and we don't have a problem at left back with Brennan, Klukowski, and DeJong, but we do need more help behind Stalteri at right back. Josh Simpson can play as a midfielder or fullback, just like DeJong, where you want him is really up in the air, as he would be a good utility player off the bench. With Imhoff I have never seen him play a great game for Canada. Bernier and Nsaliwa have both proven they can be impact players for Canada. Especially in a 4-1-4-1 where Bernier's passing range is fantastic. Imhoff over Bernier for sure. Imhoff might not get noticed, but the role he plays sort of lends to that. As long as he shuts down the opposition attack, I'm happy. He is more mobile than Patrice, and better skilled. Patrice is rather wooden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villus Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 there is no way Brennan is ahead of Klukowski. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 Bernier is a better passer and a quicker player and in his position he needs to be able to move the ball up quickly. Brennan is better offensively than klukowski and wing-backs ned to get forward a lot in a 4-1-4-1 because the wide midfielders often become supporting forwards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan Bernier is a better passer and a quicker player and in his position he needs to be able to move the ball up quickly. The Bernier that played against Costa Rica last September showed some good things but the Bernier that showed up for South Africa two months later was a disaster in the passing department, especially in the second half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javier Posted July 21, 2008 Share Posted July 21, 2008 I think that the team to start (if everyone is available should be a 25 players panel) my team (if everyone is free of injuries) hirchfeld onstad begovic mckenna stalteri hastings edgar jazic kuklowski brennan serioux hainault imhoff bernier hutchinson de guzman nakayima nsaliwa de jong simpson radzinski hume johnson occean gerba friend derosario i saw jazic on saturday vs new york, and he is a great left back player very good at the ball, reminds me of dennis irwin when at man utd only that this one is left can jazic play on the right side ? my perfect team should be hirchfeld stalteri edgar kuklowski brennan/jazic imhoff(nsaliwa) hutchinson de guzman radzinski de rosario friend regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derosario23 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I think Jamie and Josh deserve some playing time they are both quick players that can cause a real threat to the opposition.. Also Edgar would be a nice fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmac55 Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I agree Canada should go 4-1-4-1 or 4-1-3-2 Hirschfield Stalteri McKenne Serioux Brennan/Klukowski ( jimmy wins out for experience) Attiba Hutchinson Radzinski De Guzman De Rosario Hume Gerba (usually I would go Friend but Gerba earned his spot) The depth chart seems about right and I think we are very deep at each position and I pray guys will be able to make it for our away games.. Definitely need our best 11 out there at all times when possible Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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