Whither Canada Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Interesting article by Cathal Kelly in the Toronto Star: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/Soccer/article/457641 He's got JDG and DeRo as starters, with Atiba as a sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Read that this morning. Anyone who leaves Suazo on the bench in place of Jones is an EPL knob-head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Kenwyne Jones > David Suazo WTF??? Suazo is probably the best player in our region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Jones starting?! lol man oh man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by leafdolfan Kenwyne Jones > David Suazo WTF??? Suazo is probably the best player in our region. Besides De Guzman you mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Besides De Guzman you mean? I know a lot of people will disagree especially on here. But I rate Suazo over De Guzman. I'm fully ready for the 3 million posts to come saying all of the reason why De Guzman is better, and I think they are both very close, but I'd give Suazo the edge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 I dunno. Call me an EPL knob-head, but anyone who starts the highly inconsistent Suazo over Carlos Vela must be pretty impressed by big clubs names, not by performance. Vela is going to be a killer, and Sven will go to him often. I would wager he will have more goals for his country that Suazo by the end of the Hex -when he'll still be just 20. The English press will take notice when Vela and Dos Santos start going at it in the North London derby. Hopefully this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 He's also got Dempsey as a starter instead of Landycakes. Backline of Salcido (LB), Marquez (CB), Bocanegra?? (LB/CB/DM) and Gardner (LB/DM). So who's playing RB? You have Osorio who might be the best RB in CONCACAF on the bench. Bocanegra is the other CB then i guess, instead of Felipe Baloy? Cathal, you need to get our more. Or maybe i do!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone I dunno. Call me an EPL knob-head, but anyone who starts the highly inconsistent Suazo over Carlos Vela must be pretty impressed by big clubs names, not by performance. Vela is going to be a killer, and Sven will go to him often. I would wager he will have more goals for his country that Suazo by the end of the Hex -when he'll still be just 20. The English press will take notice when Vela and Dos Santos start going at it in the North London derby. Hopefully this season. Vela and Dos Santos are both very skilled players and I rate them both very highly. In 2 or 3 years these guys are going to be huge. But if I were to make a CONCACAF XI for a friendly tomorrow I would have Suazo over both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 Bocanegra? I heard he was awful in his last season at Fulham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone I dunno. Call me an EPL knob-head, but anyone who starts the highly inconsistent Suazo over Carlos Vela must be pretty impressed by big clubs names, not by performance. Vela is going to be a killer, and Sven will go to him often. I would wager he will have more goals for his country that Suazo by the end of the Hex -when he'll still be just 20. The English press will take notice when Vela and Dos Santos start going at it in the North London derby. Hopefully this season. Suazo had a down year and he still scored 8 goals. He had 14 the year before and 22 before that. Vela hasn't played a game in the EPL yet, so no, i won't call you an EPL knob-head. [] BTW, you'll probably be right about him scoring more goals by the end of the Hex cuz Suazo will be eliminated come November!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 At leat he took a stab at it. Its a start. I always avoid those threads on BS as i do not know enough about too many CONCACAF Players to be able to call it. I look forward to the day we have Journos able to speak defintively as to who the best players in CONCACAF are . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Suazo had a down year and he still scored 8 goals. He had 14 the year before and 22 before that. Vela hasn't played a game in the EPL yet, so no, i won't call you an EPL knob-head. [] BTW, you'll probably be right about him scoring more goals by the end of the Hex cuz Suazo will be eliminated come November!! But Vela has played two seasons in La Liga, and I think this will be his breakout year in the EPL. It's not easy for a boy to score on a crap team in Spain, given the quality of opposition. Anyway, I hate all these grease balls, but my point was that Suazo is overrated. I know he scored a lot of goals one year to keep Cagliari up. Before that though, he played in Serie B for most of the early part of the decade and did **** for Honduras last cycle. He's reached his peak and it's all downhill for him now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keegan Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 BTW, you'll probably be right about him scoring more goals by the end of the Hex cuz Suazo will be eliminated come November!! You are both wrong!!! Vela and Dos Santos will both have their legs broken one in Mexico and one in Canada by career ending tackles by Adrian Serioux. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted July 10, 2008 Share Posted July 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone But Vela has played two seasons in La Liga, and I think this will be his breakout year in the EPL. It's not easy for a boy to score on a crap team in Spain, given the quality of opposition. Anyway, I hate all these grease balls, but my point was that Suazo is overrated. I know he scored a lot of goals one year to keep Cagliari up. Before that though, he played in Serie B for most of the early part of the decade and did **** for Honduras last cycle. He's reached his peak and it's all downhill for him now. I think Vela will be a very good forward one day, but at this moment i'd still have Suazo as the #1 CONCACAF forward. Right, drawing that bogus penalty aside, he didn't help Honduras. Here's hoping he has a repeat performance (except for drawing a penalty against us). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Did he just pick players based on their clubs? Bocanegra is a poor defender. Obviously based on national team performances Donovan should start. He is a high impact player every qualifying cycle and Gold Cup, Dempsey is not. I won't bother with the rest of the choices since I'm not sure what the criteria was... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Bertuzzi44 Bocanegra? I heard he was awful in his last season at Fulham. bocanegra didnt even play most of the season...not at all after christmas, before fulham released him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 <center>Tim Howard Carlos Salcido - Carlos Bocanegra - Ricardo Osorio - Mike Klukowski Dwayne DeRosario - Julian de Guzman - Rafa Marquez - Andres Guardado David Suazo - Landon Donovan </center> subs: Guillermo Ochoa Pablo Mastroeni Shalrie Joseph Kenwyne Jones Atiba Hutchinson Julio Cesar de Leon Marlon King EDIT: because I forgot Rafa Marquez. [:I] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 I like your XI themodelcitizen with two exceptions. I'd take Marquez or almost anyone else including Serioux over Bocanegra on recent form. Marquez can at least convert a set piece and I think in terms of defensive battlers, Serioux has just as much to offer as Boca plus a throw in AND a bag of chips. The other one is Carlos Ruiz. What can he do? Not only does he epitomize the word A-hole but he's not even playing. I'd take Guevara for experience or dos Santos for ability over him any day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adma Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 ya you gotta have marquez on that pitch no question and suazo belongs there too. cathal kelly is definitely a knob head, I usually skip every article of his, he pisses me off, especially his profile pic. like JDG and rosario on the list of course Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 Is it just me or is there a better option between Canada, Mexico and Honduras for pretty much everyone else on the list (ClintD is alright I guess). Where is Julio Cesar Leon!? Ochoa!? It's also odd that the only player playing club football in CONCACAF is Guzan on the bench? for one, no...no guzan. for 2, The mexican league is pretty bomb. It's like Salcido and Guardado were chosen mostly cause they play in Europe (not to say one still wouldn't have made it but you don't see the real competition their dealing with from the Mexican league on the bench even.). I don't want to make my own XI cause I don't feel like it right now but really, Michael Bradley? Bocanegra? they don't suck but talk about jumping the gun. I wouldn't put tim howard on but I can at least see the logic of that choice but some of these guys, sheesh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Gordon At leat he took a stab at it. Its a start. I always avoid those threads on BS as i do not know enough about too many CONCACAF Players to be able to call it. I look forward to the day we have Journos able to speak defintively as to who the best players in CONCACAF are . What he said. These lists are subjective. The news here isn't who he has on it, but that the damn thing was printed in the biggest newspaper in the country. Think we would have seen that 10 years ago? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Juby Is it just me or is there a better option between Canada, Mexico and Honduras for pretty much everyone else on the list (ClintD is alright I guess). Where is Julio Cesar Leon!? Ochoa!? It's also odd that the only player playing club football in CONCACAF is Guzan on the bench? for one, no...no guzan. for 2, The mexican league is pretty bomb. It's like Salcido and Guardado were chosen mostly cause they play in Europe (not to say one still wouldn't have made it but you don't see the real competition their dealing with from the Mexican league on the bench even.). I don't want to make my own XI cause I don't feel like it right now but really, Michael Bradley? Bocanegra? they don't suck but talk about jumping the gun. I wouldn't put tim howard on but I can at least see the logic of that choice but some of these guys, sheesh. Tim Howard? Who would you put instead of him? Yes Ochoa is promising but he didn't exactly looked good in the U-23 tournament in March. Bradley has also a pretty good case for his selection, scoring 15 goals in the Eredivisie as a midfielder.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy The news here isn't who he has on it, but that the damn thing was printed in the biggest newspaper in the country. Think we would have seen that 10 years ago? Yes good point. I think some of us got too caught up in the player debate to really consider that. Is Canadian media really realizing soccer is a sport now? [:0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juby Posted July 11, 2008 Share Posted July 11, 2008 quote:Originally posted by loyola Tim Howard? Who would you put instead of him? Yes Ochoa is promising but he didn't exactly looked good in the U-23 tournament in March. Bradley has also a pretty good case for his selection, scoring 15 goals in the Eredivisie as a midfielder.... true but he was also bomb at the mens level in Copa America, Americans do however tend to make great keepers so really that's one of my lesser problems with the 11. But still, Michael Bradley? a great season in eredivise isn't even the same as a great season in Mexico to me, let alone putting you amoung the elite of the whole continent (I bet I could think of at least 10 midfielders from mexico (as in mexicans, not solely in the mexican league) more deserving or about as deserving as bradley). In the long run he'll probably be deserving of being on the list but I think were jumping the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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