Trillium Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by beachesl They are going to be together anyway. In football crazy cpountries, they have special fenced in areas where the fans are admitted, with their own entrance, and are not allowed to cross overbto the other sections. If this real world soloution is what CSA wants to do and will do, that is great. The CSA or the match agent needs to decide now and ensure all away fans are isolated into one zone, colours of other countries not allowed into the other area of the stadia, no Jamican flags etc outside the zone. Its time the CSA started to want a proper atmosphere for home games ...and began working to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by theaub I really don't see one post in this whole topic where people are suggesting to put black people and white people in different sections. Of course not. But if it even comes off as implied, it will be bad. Sure it all makes sense to us, and has nothing to do with racism. But the potential for someone to abuse it here in Canada is pretty high.(note the potential for abuse is also an indicator of many good things) Was there not a class action lawsuit against the USSF for this very thing? Telling people where they could sit based on who they were. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Trillium The CSA or the match agent needs to decide now and ensure all away fans are isolated into one zone, colours of other countries not allowed into the other area of the stadia, no Jamican flags etc outside the zone. Its time the CSA started to want a proper atmosphere for home games ...and began working to it. I think it should come from FIFA. Set standards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted June 24, 2008 Author Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Of course not. But if it even comes off as implied, it will be bad. Sure it all makes sense to us, and has nothing to do with racism. But the potential for someone to abuse it here in Canada is pretty high.(note the potential for abuse is also an indicator of many good things) Was there not a class action lawsuit against the USSF for this very thing? Telling people where they could sit based on who they were. I understand that there may be some reluctance to tell people that they can't sit somewhere because of who they are cheering for. But, if you provide people with an opportunity to sit with like minded fans most will take it. All it takes is this: Would you like to sit in a Jamaica cheering section, or a Canadian cheering section? When the tickets are bought. Supporter's sections rules can be put in place in both the Canadian and the Jamaican sections--so no flags/drums/etc outside of those sections. That would give more vocal supporters more reason to self-segregate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by MediaGuy I understand that there may be some reluctance to tell people that they can't sit somewhere because of who they are cheering for. But, if you provide people with an opportunity to sit with like minded fans most will take it. All it takes is this: Would you like to sit in a Jamaica cheering section, or a Canadian cheering section? When the tickets are bought. Supporter's sections rules can be put in place in both the Canadian and the Jamaican sections--so no flags/drums/etc outside of those sections. That would give more vocal supporters more reason to self-segregate. I agree. I am talking about it being abused by wankers. However, what you are suggesting is different than some of the things being said. Suggesting where people sit is one thing, but actually telling someone they can't buy a ticket or use the ticket they bought may not be possible in Canada. Regardless of what I or we think, the correlation between what shirt you wear and your race is going to be almost 100%. There is a potential disaster lurking here if it is none done right. This would be I assume new territory for Canada. PS. Do we have any Lawyers lurking here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB_Tito Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 Form RPB board: Thank you for your e-mail, and your support of the Men's National Team. We are in the process of finalizing our ticketing strategy for August 20th, and have every intention to ensure TFC season ticket holders are a part of that plan. Further information will be provided once confirmed. Thank you, Tanya Tanya Colburne Manager of Events Canadian Soccer Association 237 Metcalfe St. Ottawa, ON K2P 1R2 E: thodge@soccercan.ca or tcolburne@soccercan.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 I really really hope this goes beyond simply buying our same season ticket seats. It fkcing better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 IIRC, the thing with RFK started because the question was "Are you Mexican or American?" If you ask "Are you supporting the Mexican national team or the American national team?" (slot in Jamaica/Canada where needed), it solves the problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by theaub IIRC, the thing with RFK started because the question was "Are you Mexican or American?" If you ask "Are you supporting the Mexican national team or the American national team?" (slot in Jamaica/Canada where needed), it solves the problem. Actually what they used was the last name, and then only offered seats in upper or lower. I don't think they ever asked that question from what I have read. I am totally for segregated sections. I am just worried the CSA might blunder its way into an expensive PR nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Actually what they used was the last name, and then only offered seats in upper or lower. I don't think they ever asked that question from what I have read. I am totally for segregated sections. I am just worried the CSA might blunder its way into an expensive PR nightmare. Heh, that's even worse. I guess I'm thinking about someone else. Knowing the CSA, they probably will screw it up though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Not meant to be racist at all. Simply a rivalry kidding comment, I could say dirty Columbus fans or whatever. It is just meant as a joke. But I'm sure if I said dirty Americans it wouldn't be seen as racism just that Jamaicans are mostly black makes it racist? where I grew up, "dirty Jamaicans" was a common epithet for the farm labourers who came up every summer, rather than just a random combination of an insulting word + nationality (dirty americans etc doesn't have the same connotations, at least where I grew up in southwestern Ontario). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whither Canada Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan where is this match? Montreal? If so put them on the camera side right corner. Nobody wants to see dirty jamaicans on TV, bad enough having to see 18 of them on the pitch (for sensitive people, I'm kidding lol) In case people missed this the first time round (and there seem to be a few). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted June 24, 2008 Share Posted June 24, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Whither Canada In case people missed this the first time round (and there seem to be a few). I don't think its a case of people who stopped reading at that point and began furiously writing their replies, more a concern as to the choice of words. Could've been just as sarcastic (and probably funnier) without using a term that has something of a racial connotation in certain parts of Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Keegan Not meant to be racist at all. Simply a rivalry kidding comment, I could say dirty Columbus fans or whatever. It is just meant as a joke. But I'm sure if I said dirty Americans it wouldn't be seen as racism just that Jamaicans are mostly black makes it racist? OK. fair enough. It was open to be interpreted that way, and yes, particularly because Jamaica's population is mostly black. My apologies Keegan at misunderstanding your comments. Now back to the biz of qualifying. Cheers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort York Redcoat1555362293 Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 It's unfortunate but for segregation at matches to occur on this continent there will have to be major violent incidents to even suggest the taboo term. A repeat of the StV game is satisfactory with me. Leave segregation until BMO has had some good run of attendance for the National matches and good press. Not ideal I know but I think it's more realistic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Fort York Redcoat It's unfortunate but for segregation at matches to occur on this continent there will have to be major violent incidents to even suggest the taboo term. A repeat of the StV game is satisfactory with me. Leave segregation until BMO has had some good run of attendance for the National matches and good press. Not ideal I know but I think it's more realistic. I don't see segregating as about violence or problems at all. It is about building our CNT supporters group and providing a greater home advantage by bringing together a lot of what is out there while suppressing as much as possible the 'visiting' fans. There is a lot of support out there. It needs a voice and a chance to grow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB_Tito Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 It will be very busy that day at BMO,this is the first week of EX at CNE.Any kind of separation will be almost impossible,at least outside BMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Rightly or wrongly, there's no way that "segregating" what is a 99% black fanbase is going to fly with anyone. The importance is to sell these tickets to Canadian (or neutral) fans before putting them on sale to the ppublic, when Jamaican fans can snap them up. With season ticket lists (from all three pro clubs) and soccer clubs, there's no reason that the tickets can't go on sale with only 4-5k left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilverSamurai Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Rightly or wrongly, there's no way that "segregating" what is a 99% black fanbase is going to fly with anyone. The importance is to sell these tickets to Canadian (or neutral) fans before putting them on sale to the ppublic, when Jamaican fans can snap them up. With season ticket lists (from all three pro clubs) and soccer clubs, there's no reason that the tickets can't go on sale with only 4-5k left. True but they could set up an "away supporters" section. That's the PC way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Rightly or wrongly, there's no way that "segregating" what is a 99% black fanbase is going to fly with anyone. What does skin colour have to do with it... maybe the fact that they will be wearing yellow and green and chanting Jamaica might make it obvious that they are different? This is becoming a race issue when it has nothing to do with race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Why do we have to be PC? We need to qualify, if that means we need to offend some people, who cares. An away supports section has nothing to do with racism, it has everything to do with public safety and helping our boys. The question I have is, whats better empty seats or Jamaicans? If we can get tickets for $10 I'm tempted to buy a hundred tickets and let them sit empty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 I still think that we and TFC ticket holders should get first crack, followed by Whitecaps and Impact supports and youth soccer groups. Give 500 tickets to their federation, and let as little tickets as possible go to the general public. By giving them directly to their federation it might mean that those tickets go to richer more connected Jamaicans, and not the more vocal Jamaicans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theaub Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman Why do we have to be PC? We need to qualify, if that means we need to offend some people, who cares. An away supports section has nothing to do with racism, it has everything to do with public safety and helping our boys. The question I have is, whats better empty seats or Jamaicans? If we can get tickets for $10 I'm tempted to buy a hundred tickets and let them sit empty. Problem is, the $10 seats will be in the supporters section. We need someone to eat the $30-$50 seats, which none of us can do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
footballfreak Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 Has anyone heard anything about a rule requiring 5% of seating to be allocated to away supporters? I don't know where I heard this, or how much truth (probably none) there is to is, but that would mean setting aside 1000 tickets at BMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted June 25, 2008 Share Posted June 25, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Danny Boy What does skin colour have to do with it... maybe the fact that they will be wearing yellow and green and chanting Jamaica might make it obvious that they are different? This is becoming a race issue when it has nothing to do with race. I'm just saying that some media will pick up on something which ressembles racial profiling. I know it isn't, you know it isn't, but the CSA will be weary to avoid a controversy of potentially big magnitude. You need to get the tickets in the hands of Canadian (or neutral) fans. That means making them hard to buy for the general public and getting a lot to kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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