tovan Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 City/Province – Team (League/Former League) Population CSL1 = Original CSL, CSL2 = New CSL (Former CPSL), PCSL = Pacific Coast Soccer League, CMISL = Canadian Major Indoor Soccer League LEVEL 1: Major League Soccer/USL-D1 (Professional Leagues) Vancouver/BC – Whitecaps FC (USL-D1) 2,116,581 Toronto/Ontario – Toronto FC (MLS) 5,113,149 Montreal/Quebec – Impact FC (USL-D1) 3,635,571 LEVEL 2: National Soccer League of Canada (Semi-Professional League, replacing PDL, CMISL & CSL) Western Division: 10 Teams Abbotsford/BC – Rangers (PDL) 159,020 Vancouver/BC – Whitecaps Reserves (PDL) 2,116,581 Kelowna/BC – Okanagan Challenge (PCSL) 162,276 Victoria/BC – Vistas/United (PCSL-CSL1) 330,088 Edmonton/Alberta – Drillers (CMISL-CSL1) 1,034,945 Calgary/Alberta – FC United (CMISL-CSL1) 1,079,310 Saskatoon/Saskatchewan – Accelerators (CMISL) 233,923 Regina/Saskatchewan – (New) 194,971 Winnipeg/Manitoba – Alliance/Fury (CMISL-CSL1) 694,668 Thunder Bay/Ontario – Chill (PDL) 122,907 Central Division: 11 Teams Brampton/Ontario – Stallions (CSL2) 433,806 Oakville/Ontario – Blue Devils (CSL2) 165,613 North York/Ontario – Astros (CSL2-CSL1) 650,000 Toronto/Ontario - Lynx (PDL) 5,113,149 London/Ontario – City (CSL2-CSL1) 457,720 St. Catharines/Ontario – Wolves (CSL2) 390,317 Windsor/Ontario – Border Stars (CSL2) 323,342 Hamilton/Ontario – Steelers (CSL1) 692,911 Kitchener/Ontario – Spirit/Kickers (CSL1) 451,235 Oshawa/Ontario – (New) 330,594 Kingston/Ontario – (New) 127,009 Eastern Division: 10 Teams Laval/Quebec – Dynamites (CSL2) 368,709 Trois Rivieres/Quebec – Attak (CSL2) 141,529 Sherbrooke/Quebec – (New) 186,952 Quebec City/Quebec – FC (CSL2) 715,515 Halifax/Nova Scotia – Clippers (CSL1) 372,858 St. John’s/Newfoundland – (New) 181,113 Moncton/New Brunswick – (New) 126,424 St. John/New Brunswick - (New) 122,389 Ottawa/Ontario – Fury (PDL) 1,130,761 Sauguenay/Quebec – (New) 151,643 National Soccer League of Canada (NSLC) OBJECTIVE: to promote the game of soccer in Canada, spread its popularity, promote the development of domestic Canadian soccer players, and increase Canadian competitiveness at the international levels. League Administrative Structure: - League runs as 3 semi-independent regional divisions under 1 umbrella organization (National Soccer League of Canada) sanctioned by CSA. Similar to CHL (WHL, QMJHL, OHL) structure thereby maintaining regional characteristics and former league structures. (ie. PCSL, CMISL, CSL) - Teams to play season within respective regional divisions to reduce travel costs. - Team profits will be derived from sponsorships, gate revenues (playoff games, CONCACAF Champions League qualifying games), and player transfers. - League-wide sponsorship revenues will be shared among teams proportionally (depending on operating expenses such as travel) to create a relatively level financial playing field. - Individual team sponsorships for shirt sponsorships and on-field advertising will go directly to the team. - Major national corporate sponsorship. (Banks, Tim Horton’s, Canadian Tire, Rona, etc) - Hard salary cap with strict penalties if exceeded. - National television deal to promote the game nationally and televise both regionally and nationally. (CBC, CTV-TSN, RDS, Rogers Sportsnet, The Score, etc.) - Major national transportation corporation sponsorship to reduce travel costs. (Airlines, Bus Charters, VIA Rail, etc.) - No ethnically based teams to promote unbiased/equal opportunities for all Canadians. Player Development & Rosters: - Partnership with foreign leagues and clubs to promote development and give exposure to league. - University players must play as amateurs in order to retain CIS/NCAA eligibility or renounce college eligibility to play as professionals. - International and domestic player transfers negotiated with individual teams giving teams incentive to develop talented players, scout local talent = potential for increased team revenues. - Rosters will consist of maximum 22 players, with 16 designated for each game. Each team is permitted a maximum of four (4) foreign players on its active game-day roster and a maximum of six (6) foreign players on its overall roster. - At least three (3) players on each team's roster must be 18 or younger to promote youth development. Season Format: - Regular season will run from April to September. Each team will play a 20 match regular season (minimum 1 home-away game vs. each team in division) and possibly an additional: - 2 NSLC playoff games + 2 Championship Tournament games* - 3 CONCACAF Champions League qualifying games** - There will be a 1-week break in the season to accomodate the All-Star Break. All Star Game: - The All Star Break will feature an All-Star Game with NSLC players playing against a guest team in a single exhibition match. (ie. MLS All Star Game). - The game will provide scouts a venue to identify promising players to be bought and sold on the transfer market. It will function as a proxy player combine. - PLAYER SELECTION: Each team will nominate 1 player from each position (GK, F, MF, D) and from these nominations players for the All Star Game will be selected by all head coaches. - Coach with the best regular season record will be named coach of the CSL PSL All-Star Side. - The host city for the All-Star game will be selected on a rotational basis (ie. NBA, NHL, MLS All Star games) in a venue meeting NSLC Championship Tournament criteria***. *League Championship Playoffs and Tournament Format - The top 4 teams from each division after the regular season will enter a single-game elimination playoff. (1-2 games) - The 3 divisional champs will meet with a pre-determined host city team (ie. Memorial Cup) in a 4 team final championship single-game knockout round tournament (Following the Memorial Cup model). (1-2 games) - Winner of this tournament will be crowned League Champion. **CONCACAF Champions League Qualifying TOURNAMENT: 3 MLS/USL D1 Teams + NSLC Champion team will enter a tournament to determine the single Canadian entry into the CONCACAF Champions League tournament. (1-2 games) ***Championship tourney will be hosted in host city meeting minimum requirements (minimum 10,000+ capacity stadium, field turf or natural pitch - Vancouver, Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa, Montreal). Venue selection will be similar to Memorial Cup or Grey Cup selection following a rotation between regional divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted February 4, 2008 Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi TOVAN, welcome to the forums. You might want to do some searching on a topic such as this. Over the last decade we have talked about this topic a couple of times and while you have obviously put a lot of thought into your post nothing in it it is new to us. Some examples from a quick search: From 2006: http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10970 Also from 2006: http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10050 From 2005: http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5956 From 2004: http://www.canadian-soccer.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=4631 As well you might look over: http://members.shaw.ca/t.godwin/csl/ and http://members.shaw.ca/t.godwin/cusl/ And don't be too discouraged. All we really need is somebody with $35-40M burning a hole in their pockets and an irrational hatred of MLS. How hard could that be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekaram Posted March 5, 2008 Share Posted March 5, 2008 The most important thing is that they are all affiliated with each other or part of the same organization. (like the FA pyramid) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltfc91 Posted September 21, 2008 Share Posted September 21, 2008 This is brilliant and should definetly be looked at. A few personal changes: Ottawa get MLS/ USL 1 so there are 4 world class soccer teams. I like the West, Central and East format. Have 12 teams in each and they play eachother twice (one home one away). Thats only 22 games. They should also show one game a week on CBC. For the Voyageurs Cup it should be every team involved with straight knockout. If there's 12 teams in 3 conferences plus 4 in MLS/USl 1 we'll have 40 professional teams. the bottom 16 play a knockout to go to 32 teams then all other teams enter to have a huge FA-cup like competition. Winner goes to the Champion's League. Would definetly make Canada soccer amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 I love this idea. Only problem I foresee is getting all parties we need to make this happen agree to sit around a table and make it happen. Without leadership and money from the CSA, I suspect it can't happen. I'm with Ted...we just need someone with ridiculous amounts of money and a willingness to spend it (with little hope of short to medium term return) on soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 Anything below USL-1 level will be a money pit for owners and need heavy subsidies/sponsorships to break even or even survive and we all know how hard those are to come by. I do not believe any such league could be profitable for many years to come if ever. Can anybody here tell us if all the current CSL teams even break even let alone make a profit for their owners with their very limited travel commitment compared to what is proposed here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 ^ On the other hand, this is a great opportunity for some ambitious millionaire to be the first to put a system like the one describe above in place and make history. If a MLS franchise is about 50 mil and that will buy you one club, imagine what those 50 mil can do in a private investment towards the organization of a professional system in the whole country!! and whoever does it, will become the guru of pro soccer in Canada. In regards to the CSL clubs, I don't think any owners are making any profits but I'll say they're breaking even in most cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 ^ Perhaps, but it will take a helluva lot more than a millionaire to finance this operation and sustain it over the long term and no such person has stepped forward despite many years of 'wanting'. The reason is simple if one thinks about it, better return on investment elsewhere, e.g. USL or MLS which are already operating in Canada. Bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted I suggest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 22, 2008 Share Posted September 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Richard ^ Perhaps, but it will take a helluva lot more than a millionaire to finance this operation and sustain it over the long term and no such person has stepped forward despite many years of 'wanting'. The reason is simple if one thinks about it, better return on investment elsewhere, e.g. USL or MLS which are already operating in Canada. Bit like closing the barn door after the horse has bolted I suggest. From what I'm told, USL is a money loser for most clubs. In MLS, I'd be willing to bet more teams lose money than make money at present. I'm not sure how much capital it would take to get a united Canadian Tier 2/3 league up and running but I would love to see it happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 4, 2008 Share Posted October 4, 2008 If leagues are going to be amateur or semi-pro and are going to involve players who hold down 9 to 5 jobs travel times of 2 hours by road are about the upper realistic limit. There needs to be considerably more than 3 regional groupings in other words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltfc91 Posted October 5, 2008 Share Posted October 5, 2008 If i had $10billion I would create my own Canadian Soccer League. I'd build 10 stadiums of 40,000 seats soccer specific with grass. One in each province. Then buy world class players and make a CSL! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 If I had 10 billion dollars.........I'll buy you a green field.......but not a real green field that's cruel....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadianfoot Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 10Billions $$$ you don't need that much. 1Billion is enough: 12stadiums (6x10,000seats & 6x15,000seats) at 30millions each including ground purchases(or lease from city for 99yrs) that's 360millions 12teams to bankroll at 1,5mil for 3yrs 54millions 12teams to bankroll at 2mill for 3yrs 72millions 12teams to bankroll at 2,5mill for 4yrs 120millions - Any other team owner would have to fork out 50% of that amount thus having a salary of 2,250,000.00$$ - 3,750,000.00$$ on a 10year plan budget. With 26players that's 86,538$ a year avg salary being increased to 144,230$ per year over 10years. - You own the stadium and get revenue thru concessions, concerts, whatever you want. - You have corporate boxes, Stadium naming right, League Sponsors, TV Rights breweries, etc Don't forget League Title prize for 10years let say 10millions and Cup Title(FA Cup) 500,000.00$(5mil$) but all that would be paid from the sponsors. Stadium maintenance/upgrades within 10years 50millions All you need is $656,000,000.00 I can pitch in $1,000.00 if you find someone for the rest......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeltfc91 Posted October 6, 2008 Share Posted October 6, 2008 I say we all pitch in $1000, then CSA pays for the rest, or we shatter their teeth:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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