Trident Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Lomonty Imagine the emotion around <s>BMO</s> Canada if Jono and Julian combine for goal in WCQ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by deschamp86 I agree completely. He should be seeing it as playing for his country, not for the CSA. If he chooses to play for Canada, then great. If he chooses to play for the Netherlands, then good riddance. But seriously, just hurry up and decide so we can all discuss more important issues and he can stop being a media whore and just get on with his career. I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I am coming around more and more to this point of view. If he chooses the Netherlands, it will be because he feels more Dutch than Canadian or about career opportunism, either of which are fine, but then stop wasting our time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSwede Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision I have been giving him the benefit of the doubt, but I am coming around more and more to this point of view. If he chooses the Netherlands, it will be because he feels more Dutch than Canadian or about career opportunism, either of which are fine, but then stop wasting our time. Well put, thats the way i see it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ekaram Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 quote:Originally posted by rick10 i have a different opinion from everyone else. If you love your country then you play for them even if the CSA is going through major problems. Jonathan is just being a little baby , who is he to demand so many things??. Come on , the kid may be good but this is getting old. There are so many better players than him that decided to play for their country even if they knew they would never make it to the world cup or their country sucks at soccer. Jonathan could of play for the under 20 squad and that wouldn't affect him playing for the netherlands senior team and he decided not to do it!! great jonathan helping out your country . In my eyes this guy is a traitor, he was born in canada , his brother is playing for the canadian team and he is still not sure about playing for his own country???... I can't really respect a player like that. Definitly agree with you. I would not be able to put on another country's jersey even if it was my parents country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pulsar Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Perfect example...Ryan Giggs. Had many a opportunity to play for England. Wales is where he is from. Wales is where he wanted to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by pulsar Perfect example...Ryan Giggs. Had many a opportunity to play for England. Wales is where he is from. Wales is where he wanted to play. i was going to put the same example. Ryan Giggs is a perfect example of a great player deciding to play for his country instead of taking the easy way out and play for england. A player like ryan giggs will go in the soccer history of wales as one of their best players that fought every qualifier to make it to the world cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Jono wouldnt waste his time playing Olympic Qualifiers for Canada and risking injuries etc. If he would ever suit up for a junior team it's only if Canada would play at the Olympics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 Several things to remember. He is young by any standard. The "arrogance of youth" is not just a saying it is a stage we all pass through. Think of how you were when you were his age (god that is a long time ago for me!). Given buckets of money and attention I don't think I would have handled it any better and probably a lot worse. It is a very tough decision. Play for Canada you might not make the world cup, play for the Netherlands and you might not make the team. Give the kid a break. Yes I think he should play for Canada and would love to have him on the squad. Yes it is time for him to step up and decide. Time to make the first major adult decision in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by tmcmurph Several things to remember. He is young by any standard. The "arrogance of youth" is not just a saying it is a stage we all pass through. Think of how you were when you were his age (god that is a long time ago for me!). Given buckets of money and attention I don't think I would have handled it any better and probably a lot worse. It is a very tough decision. Play for Canada you might not make the world cup, play for the Netherlands and you might not make the team. Give the kid a break. Yes I think he should play for Canada and would love to have him on the squad. Yes it is time for him to step up and decide. Time to make the first major adult decision in his career. In some ways it could be true. However he has his brother playing for the canadian national team. He had the chance to play the under 20 world cup in his own country (netherlands DID NOT MAKE IT). Furthermore , even if he play for the under 20 canadian team he could still play for holland senior team. He is going to be 21 this year and still not signs of him making a decision. I seriously dont think this is a tough decision for him. It's not like he has dutch blood or the canadian team doesnt want him or the netherland senior team already call him, furthermore his own brother is playing for canada. How many kids wouldnt want to play with his big brother for his country, its like a dream come true for most kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort York Redcoat1555362293 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 yeah but he got his Dutch passport. I support him either way I just hope he never plays vs Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 He has said that he would like to play with his older brother so that is in our favor. I think the passport was for club transfer reasons although it could be to play for Netherlands. Who knows why he passed on the U20. Maybe he didn't think he should take a spot from someone else who needed the development, maybe he thinks he is a Messi and too good for the U20 (he's good but not that good), maybe he felt like he would have been expected to carry the load for the team offensively and didn't like that idea. Who knows, time will tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 maybe he didnt play for canada in the under 20's cause it could have affected his application for a dutch-euro passport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 maybe , i mean everyone has different opinions. It seems like many canadian fans are more patient with this kid. I know for a fact that in other countries when you say no to your national team you are seeing as a traitor, specially when you have not blood relation to the country you decided to play for. I still can't forgive the guy for not playing the under 20 world cup , he was well aware the it wouldn affect his chances to play for netherlands, the world cup was play in his country and everyone expected him to play for us. I dont like his attitude he is having towards this situation. He knows we need him , he knows the fans really want him to play for canada, he knows his brother wants him to play for canada, he knows the players from the national team want him , he knows the coach wants him ,he has been call already , is his country , and he is still taking his sweet time. On the other hand, netherland still has not call him , the netherland fans dont show too much interest on him (compared to canadian fans), the national players from the senior team dont show to much interest,he doesnt even have a secure spot in the starting 11 netherlands team , is not his country , his chances to be a star in that team are slim. Even if he decides to play for the canadian team at the end i would still not like this guy. He already betrayed his country when he decided not to come for the under 20 world cup . He will have to prove himself and his worthyness for me to like him . And im sure many fans feel this way too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Fort York Redcoat yeah but he got his Dutch passport. I support him either way I just hope he never plays vs Canada. you'll support this guy either way???... I would never be able to support a player that put his own interest before his country. I'll support his brother because he is contributing to the development of canadian soccer and he understand how much we need all the help to be a world class team , a team that can make the world cup. I'll even support lombardo who is one of the most overated player in canada however he is proud to be the canadian jersey on. If Jono decides to play for netherlands good for him , but he is not getting any support from me. I would be laughing if he only plays for the netherland seniors team a few games and never gets call again , he would have it well deserve for trying to take the easy way out. I remember something similar happened to a player in southamerica , he decided to play for spain instead of playing for his home country. He was a rising young star and he was even compared to maradona by the spanish press. He played for spain a few games and then he had some issues with his club so he got kicked out , just like any other soccer player he had a bad season after that, however he wasnt able to bring his level up again. He never got call for the spain national team again and he nows plays in greece. Now he is good enough to play for his home country but not for spain , he can still play for his home country because of the under 20 fifa rule, however he has many people opposing this because he was a traitor. He apologized already and try to explain himself , but its been 2 years since then. I believe now they are thinking of calling him but he is 26 already Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmcmurph Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 "He already betrayed his country when he decided not to come for the under 20 world cup" That is a tad harsh. While I can honestly say I will be greatly disappointed if he doesn't play for Canada I wouldn't go that far. He, like Owen Hargreaves before him, has a tough choice. In Owen's case his family had ties to England so it appears less opportunistic than Jono but you still have to wonder how would Canada be with one or both in the line up? At some point there needs to be real tangible rewards via endorsements or other means offered to these top level players by Canadian companies. In the end it would be a great enticement for players to play for Canada. Get to them early. Once we have critical mass then we start to make the world cup regularly then more players want to play for Canada. Just one more thing to tilt the scales in our favor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by tmcmurph In Owen's case his family had ties to England so it appears less opportunistic than Jono but you still have to wonder how would Canada be with one or both in the line up? On the other hand, Hargreaves never lived a day of his life in Britain until this year, while Jonathan has been in Holland for 7 or 8 years by now. Yet somehow Owen managed to contrive an accent. Both cases are examples where a player is choosing opportunism over Canada. I would choose Canada in this case. But a better situation is where choosing Canada would be the opportunistic choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision On the other hand, Hargreaves never lived a day of his life in Britain until this year, while Jonathan has been in Holland for 7 or 8 years by now. Yet somehow Owen managed to contrive an accent. Both cases are examples where a player is choosing opportunism over Canada. I would choose Canada in this case. But a better situation is where choosing Canada would be the opportunistic choice. But Jono's case is worst, because you can always argue that hargreaves had english blood and that his family was a factor for him making the decision to play for england , if i can remember correctly his father actually play in england for the bolton wanderers, plus he got rejected from the national program In Jono's case the guy doesnt have any blood ties to netherlands , his brother plays for canada, he was already offer a spot in the youth team. He lived 12 years in canada. Opportunism is the best way to call it in both cases , but i still think jonos is worst the own hargreaves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick10 Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 I wouldnt bring my hopes up for Jono playing for canada. His father already gave us a hint that he may play for netherlands in the olympics even though that wouldnt affect his chance to play for canada. I would love to be the intervier and asked his father then why didnt he play for the under 20 squad. If he had any real intentions of actually playing for canada he would of took the chance to play for the under 20 squad in the world cup and then say that he wasnt sure about playing for the senior team yet. But i m sure he didnt do it because he knows the dutch fans dont take crap like that , if jono decides to play a single game for canada the dutch fans would automatically reject his participation in the dutch team. Most Canadian fans are more laid back and still allow Jono to do whatever he likes I'm 70% sure that if tomorrow netherlands makes it official an calls Jono he will run and accept the offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 If Jono had played for the U20's and then decided to play for Holland, then he'd be a traitor. For now he's just a kid who hasn't made up his mind yet on a difficult (for him) decision, and in the meantime has focused on solidifying his club career. Not to mention the family have had numerous issues with the OSA/CSA over the years...so let's just see what happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RamR Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 I will, as with most Canadian supporters, be very disappointed and saddened if Jonathan does not play for Canada. People deal with this disappointment and sadness in different ways. I suspect that a lot of the negative opinion that is already coming out in anticipation of an unfavourable choice being made and the torrent of negative opinions that are sure to arise if that unfavourable choice is eventually made are predominantly from people who love Canada so much and are (will be) extremely broken hearted at the fate of their National Team. On the flip side I believe that the overwhelming majority of these people would be some of the most fervent supporters of Jonathan, whether it be at club or country, were he to make the choice we all hope and pray that he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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