torontofc Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Toronto to sign Wagenaar Toronto FC is set to sign Canadian goalkeeper Josh Wagenaar, a high-ranking team source said on Sunday. Wagenaar, 22, has spent the past two seasons with Dutch club Ado Den Haag. Toronto used a variety of goalkeepers in 2007 after losing starter Greg Sutton to a concussion. Sutton is set to return but will face a stern challenge from Wagenaar for the starting job. http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_...to-to-sign.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Here is a working link: Toronto to sign Wagenaar Sounds good to me but from what I have heard Josh still has a long ways to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I thought Mo Johnston has placed a ban on Canadians at TFC. [8)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Excellent news. Now that's more like it! Edit: I think the chances of getting Josh for the Olympic team qualifiers just increased, assuming he remains healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Rudi I thought Mo Johnston has placed a ban on Canadians at TFC. [8)] This is good for TFC. Doesn't infringe on the foreign slot cap, you get a good young keeper that's close to home, and hopefully more to come. Mo should try to get other Canadians in lower divisions in Europe (Simeon Jackson, Kappos, etc.) than some journeymen in Europe that could not provide an impact. Ban Canadians, no. Ban incompetent players (foreign or not) -- yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by redhat Ban Canadians, no. Ban incompetent players (foreign or not) -- yes. Agreed. I was being a tad facetious with my other post For the record I think the next Canadian TFC needs to target is Jaime Peters. Having spoken to Mo I know that he is very high on Jaime, and actually tried to get him about a year ago. Now that Peters' stock seems to have dropped at Ipswich, perhaps the comforts of home would help young Jaime get his promising career back on track. At 20, Peters is still young enough to use MLS as a stepping stone, if he so chooses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Now that Peters' stock seems to have dropped at Ipswich, perhaps the comforts of home would help young Jaime get his promising career back on track. Peters will be a great addition to TFC too. Perhaps Mo could do a loan deal (at the very least) providing more playing time for Jaime. Sitting on the bench or playing reserve ball is a waste of talent. His speed and the quality of his crosses would be an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is Stamatopoulos not expected to be back next year? I know he was training with Bayern Munich, or read something to that effect, but that didn't seem like becoming permanent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jonovision Is Stamatopoulos not expected to be back next year? I know he was training with Bayern Munich, or read something to that effect, but that didn't seem like becoming permanent. Tromso are playing hard ball with the transfer fee, setting it far too high for a team in TFC that is still trying to fill out its roster. It's too bad, as I though Kenny settled in well here, despite the crap defending in front of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Nothing official yet but this would be a great move for Wagenaar. He could challenge Sutton for the starting spot. I guess this mean Kenny S. will get back to Tromso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 sounds like good news to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Someone at the RPB forum sent a facebook message to Josh asking about the news and Josh said he hasn't heard anything so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 If it's true, great news. These are they types of guys to bring home. MLS has a decent track record of developing quality GKs so its going to be tough for people to argue that he's making a mistake playing in North America. Young keepers simply need to play. If he develops, he'll give Sutton a battle for playing time. let's hope confirmation comes this week Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Rollins1555362254 Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr If it's true, great news. These are they types of guys to bring home. MLS has a decent track record of developing quality GKs so its going to be tough for people to argue that he's making a mistake playing in North America. Young keepers simply need to play. If he develops, he'll give Sutton a battle for playing time. let's hope confirmation comes this week Taking off my TFC fan hat for a moment and looking at it strickly as a CMNT supporter... Yep, couldn't agree more. He's exactly the type of player that TFC needs to be bring home. Hopefully, he can play a lot, improve, and head back over in five years--only to a bigger league. Keepers need to play. Speaking as a TFC fan... I'll wait to see what he brings. He's still young for a keeper. With Sutton's health questions, we need a quality back-up. Hopefully, JW can be that player. Only one more day to MLS' transfer window opens...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 If TFC has two Canadian keepers, then how is Mo supposed to play a foreigner in that position? I don't understand [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Can't say this is a great thing for Josh's career. I at least hope he gets playing time, he's better off sitting on ADO's bench than TFC's bench. I would rather see Sutton or Stama in net and excelling for TFC, because then they would be a solid option for WCQ. Even if Josh has a great year for TFC, he is still too young and inexperienced to be seen as a reliable option to lead us to South Africa if Lars gets injured or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB_Tito Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 Toronto FC courting Canadian 'keeper Wagenaar LARRY MILLSON Globe and Mail Update January 13, 2008 at 6:47 PM EST TORONTO — Major League Soccer's Toronto FC and Canadian goalkeeper Josh Wagenaar, who has been playing in Holland, are being linked by at least one U.S. website but a source said Sunday that nothing has yet been resolved from talks. ............. http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080113.wspt-tfc13/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by JB_Tito Toronto FC courting Canadian 'keeper Wagenaar LARRY MILLSON Globe and Mail Update January 13, 2008 at 6:47 PM EST TORONTO — Major League Soccer's Toronto FC and Canadian goalkeeper Josh Wagenaar, who has been playing in Holland, are being linked by at least one U.S. website but a source said Sunday that nothing has yet been resolved from talks. ............. http://www.globesports.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080113.wspt-tfc13/GSStory/GlobeSportsSoccer/home Also from that link: "TFC's No. 1 goalkeeper Greg Sutton is said to be fully recovered from a concussion that ended his season last June when he was with Canada's Gold Cup team." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by BrennanFan Can't say this is a great thing for Josh's career. I at least hope he gets playing time, he's better off sitting on ADO's bench than TFC's bench. I'm curious why you feel he's better off sitting on the bench in Holland than in MLS? If you're not getting 1st team Playing Time, why does it matter what league you warm the bench in? Just curious...not trying to be a smart -ss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr I'm curious why you feel he's better off sitting on the bench in Holland than in MLS? If you're not getting 1st team Playing Time, why does it matter what league you warm the bench in? Just curious...not trying to be a smart -ss better coaching, better training, more pressure to perform, more visible to other european clubs, better pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 better pay...likely but I'd rather play for less if it means rotting on the bench for more money. better visibility...sure but if he plays for TFC and plays well, there's no reason he won't be seen. MLS has graduated its share of GKs to Europe (including 2 more this year if Guzan leaves) better coaching...maybe but I cant say for sure because I have no clue what kind of quality of coaching he gets with his club. Better training...again, you are likely right. I'm not totally convinced about TFC's coaching staff More pressure to perform...I actually think a young Canadian boy will face more pressure here in Toronto. He's going to want be the #1 for this team and its fans. He's just "a guy" in Holland. Replaceable and expendable. He's going to want to make a name for himself. Overall, you are probably correct that its a bit better for him to play in Europe but I don't really believe his development will be stunted in MLS if he works hard and takes advantage of his chances when he's in net for TFC. I think a guy like Sutton can be supplanted from the #1 spot if Josh really gives max effort. Time will tell I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted January 14, 2008 Share Posted January 14, 2008 I think in general being in Europe would be preferable to playing (or not playing, especially) for TFC in MLS. But the situtation in ADO Den Haag was not a good one. Injuries were partly to blame, but Josh was given few opportunities. It is also worth reminding that while Josh was with a team in Holland, like Jonathan de Guzman, Marcel de Jong and Will Johnson, ADO Den Haag were relegated last season, and currently sit mid-table in the much weaker Jupiler League. I saw a good number of these 2nd division matches on television when I was living there, and the quality was certainly no better than MLS play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 as others have said, it's a good move IF he's playing. If he's on the bench, he's probably better off staying where he is. I assume that as a backup, he'll likely get better reserve league competition, better coaching, more upside in Holland than he will in MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed as others have said, it's a good move IF he's playing. If he's on the bench, he's probably better off staying where he is. I assume that as a backup, he'll likely get better reserve league competition, better coaching, more upside in Holland than he will in MLS. MLS and the NCAA have often produced quality keepers in the past so I'm not sure if the MLS is such a bad place for keepers. I've attended a few goalkeepers camps in the USA in the past and I can testify that the level of coaching for keepers is excellent (a lot of those keepers school have worked with foreign keepers in the past and they've developp a good core of young and competent keeper coaches). Of course, the Netherlands is one of the best place for keepers coaching (and coaching in general) but I'm not sure the situation at ADO is favourable for the development of a young keeper. TFC isn't a bad place for him and I'm pretty sure he can compete with Sutton for a starting job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ccopela Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Doesn't look like the transfer is anywhere near a done deal. http://sports.yahoo.com/mls/news?slug=txtorontowagenaar&prov=st&type=lgns quote:ADO deny Toronto approach for Wagenaar January 15, 2008 By Edwin Simonis Special to PA SportsTicker THE HAGUE, The Netherlands (Ticker) -- Dutch club ADO Den Haag has denied receiving any approach from Toronto FC for Canadian goalkeeper Josh Wagenaar. Recent reports have linked Canada's MLS franchise with a deal for the 22-year-old, but ADO technical director Peter Hofstede told PA SportsTicker he was yet to receive an offer. However, he could be willing to strike a deal if Toronto gets in touch. "I know nothing about the interest of any club in Josh Wagenaar," Hofstede said. "But if Toronto FC wants to do business, I hope to hear from them soon. Up until now, we have had no contact at all." Wagenaar has recently been back in Canada recovering from an injury, but has now returned to the Hague. Hofstede added that he was aware of interest from Toronto in Wagenaar during the summer, but never received an offer. Wagenaar, who broke into the Canadian national team in 2006, has spent two seasons with ADO since leaving Hartwick College. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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