VPjr Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 a poster on U-Sector found this one: "football rumours Leicester's Iain Hume will be joining Toronto FC. Toronto FC coach Mo Johnston has been monitoring Hume's progress and will make Hume Toronto's Designated Player just like Beckham was made the DP at La Galaxy. The deal will be a transfer worth 950 k. Hume himself has expressed his desire to leave Leicester due to the influx of new forward signings. The deal will take place at the start of the next MLS season." http://www.talkingballs.co.uk/showthread.p...hume#post604122 Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 That's probably a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Free kick Posted January 8, 2008 Share Posted January 8, 2008 I really like this move and have been hoping that this would happen. But not as a DP. IMO, using a DP allocation in this instance would be like using your Ace of Trump capture a five of clubs played by your opponent. I'd been fine for using the DP for a Canadian playing in the very top levels such as DeGuz, Dero, or Hutchison. MLS clubc are using this rule to sign first divison players of greater notoriety and influence. No doubt, Hume would be a very positive influence on the team. But not quite the same as Beckham, Blanco, denilson, Reyna, and potentially Figo and veron. I am surprised that we cant get Hume for Robinson type money. Sheez! how much could he possibily be making at Leicester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 That would be terrible. Hume needs to be looking to move forward at this point in his career. Tfc would be a backwards step that would hurt the national team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 i'm not sure it's such a big step back to go from a bottom of the table CCC team to TFC. I really don't ever see Hume playing at a much higher level in England. Maybe in another country he'd be playing in the top league but what's to say he wants to go anywhere that isn't English speaking. IF there is any truth to this rumour, I really hope its not going to take a DP spot to make it happen. that would be silly. Like Free Kick said, give him Robbo money at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 Whether Hume moves up to a higher level, league-wise, or not, MLS would definitely be worse than a lateral move. Where he is now, he is looking at 40-50 matches a year at a higher level than MLS can consistently offer. That being said, I don't think it's a very big stretch to imagine him moving to a stronger Championship-level side in the not-too-distant future. The only way a move to TFC makes sense is if Leicester gets relegated (or if for some reason, Hume finds himself relegated to the bench there) and no other Championship club comes in for him. I think that since he's shown himself to be a consistent 10-14 goal per season player at that level, it's unlikely that will happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed Whether Hume moves up to a higher level, league-wise, or not, MLS would definitely be worse than a lateral move. Where he is now, But what are you basing this on? There are players that have moved from MLS over to the Premiership. Players like Robbo, Welsh and Dichio have all played at one time or another at a more competitive level than Hume. I am getting a kick at the MLS detractors and the "overglorification" of the football in the UK and specifically england that you hear from many on this board. Second or Third tier ( Div 2 or div 3 or CCC or 1st div; whatever its called now) soccer england is what it is, which is second or third tier football. Just like first div in North america ( MLS) is what it is, first divison football. if these divisions in England were so great and MLS was so crap, then you would think that England ( with all that depth in talent) would have had no trouble qualifying for Euro 2008 and the likes of Andy Weshe would ahve been burning up the MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted January 9, 2008 Share Posted January 9, 2008 quote:Originally posted by VPjr i'm not sure it's such a big step back to go from a bottom of the table CCC team to TFC. Just because Leicester is at the bottom I don't get the sense they are a bottom level team. They have brought in new players and I would assume this has improved there team. Also remember Leicester has had 4 managers in 2007, not including the caretakers. As I've said before, I would be surprised if Leicester City isn't in the EPL in a few years. With regards to the rumor, when did Hume express his desire to leave? Is that a rumor as well? And I don't know much about TFC, but are they planning on spending that kind of cash? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted January 9, 2008 Author Share Posted January 9, 2008 /\ I think this is all a rumour from a fan site but at least it gives us something to debate I imagine Hume is not pleased that the team has been busy signing players that appear to play the same position as he does. As for whether TFC is planning to fork out big money, I'd say yes for the right player but I just don't believe Hume is worth a DP spot. I'm also in total agreement with Free Kick...when will people stop overestimating the value of lower div English football? those leagues definitely pay well but I really find it hard to agree with the assesment that League 1 or League 2 is better than MLS and I have stated before that I think the best 4-6 teams in MLS would compete quite nicely in CCC teams. Its not like guys who have come over from England have really lit up the league (excluding JP Angel and Becks likely will be dominant if he has any quality up front to provide service to). I think there is way too much reverance for English football below the prem. It's good but by no means outstanding. I watch as much as I can on Setanta and I'm not regularly impressed. It's just ok, which is why it's so hard for a promoted team to stay up. there is a huge gulf in quality between the top 10 teams in the Prem and the next 10 + the top 5 in the CCC. The only team in CCC that I think might have a hope of going up a level and sticking there is QPR (in a couple of years) now that they have owners with deep pockets, but that doesn't guarantee a thing either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmynow Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 i too have been watching the CCC on Setanta and I'm not convinced it's better than MLS. It's a different style though. I find MLS faster, generally speaking, with more rough stuff. CCC seems more fundamentally sound without the athleticism or individual creativity. I think there's a greater gap between the best player on the field in MLS and the worst due to the lack of depth... but the starting 11s are comparable in talent. of course, this is based on a very small sample of games I've watched. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by jimmynow i too have been watching the CCC on Setanta and I'm not convinced it's better than MLS. It's a different style though. I find MLS faster, generally speaking, with more rough stuff. CCC seems more fundamentally sound without the athleticism or individual creativity. I would have thought that the CCC would be more of what I had seen from yo-yo former Prem teams, which featured a lot of hard work, hard tackling and physical play. However, I don't get Setanta so you've seen more than me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick But what are you basing this on? There are players that have moved from MLS over to the Premiership. Players like Robbo, Welsh and Dichio have all played at one time or another at a more competitive level than Hume. I am getting a kick at the MLS detractors and the "overglorification" of the football in the UK and specifically england that you hear from many on this board. Second or Third tier ( Div 2 or div 3 or CCC or 1st div; whatever its called now) soccer england is what it is, which is second or third tier football. Just like first div in North america ( MLS) is what it is, first divison football. if these divisions in England were so great and MLS was so crap, then you would think that England ( with all that depth in talent) would have had no trouble qualifying for Euro 2008 and the likes of Andy Weshe would ahve been burning up the MLS. You think because a few of the best players in MLS have managed to move to middling to lower-level Premiership sides that it makes MLS better than the English second-tier? Dichio, Welsh, and Robinson have made combined zero impact at Premiership level. They have been largely second-tier players for most of their careers. Andy Welsh has never achieved anything, either in MLS or in the League Championship. I would say that Dichio and Robinson were good, not excellent, players at Championship level. That was when they were in their prime years. They are past it now and moved to MLS because they could no longer cut it at Championship level. That didn't prevent Dichio from being an impact player in MLS. The fact is that the English game is awash with money and attract top players from all over the world. That is what makes the standard of their leagues what they are. The fact that England didn't qualify for Euro 2008 is irrelevent to this discussion. MLS has some very good players who are capable of making the jump to play at higher levels in Europe. But those are the upper-echelon guys in the league. The average MLS player isn't even at third-tier standard in the top European leagues. If they were, you'd be seeing floods of MLS players looking to make moves to these higher paying leagues. You conveniently pick a couple of guys to make your point. I could just as easily pick out a player like Adrian Serioux. A regular starter in MLS, he could barely make the bench when he was at Millwall, a lower half side in the English second-tier at that time. The kick you get out of 'the MLS detractors and the "overglorification" of the football in the UK' is all fine and well. It's far less, I'm sure, than the kick the rest of us get from the fact that you've convinced yourself that MLS is a top league just because Toronto has joined. It's not where we want our top players playing. It should merely be a stepping stone for our younger players prior to moving to Europe and a place for fringe national teamers to stay sharp towards the end of their careers. DeRo aside, it's not where we should be hoping our up-and-comers, like Iain Hume, should be playing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by SthMelbRed I KNEW IT!!![8D]. that quote gave it away. But I didn't want to say it earlier for fear of being presumptuous. Its all about petty regionalism as usual as usually the case when you read something like "So and so would be better off in Scandinavia" or " Second tier in england is a more competitive". Its really because there is a club in Toronto. At the root of it, its not really about MLS but rather the fact that Toronto has a team in MLS. As alluded by others earlier, Through the past few years we have now had the chance to sample on TV games involving clubs at at those level. Even saw Ipswich play last weekend. I am at a total loss to see what there is to be impressed about. You can easily tell that players at these levels are devoid the creativity, athleticism, and technical abilities. And thats normal with any and second division in any league. So why is that a better place for a guy like Hume? Sure, he's probably making good money and that good for his bank account but not for his progress as a player. Yes, clubs at that level on england are well supported and that why the money is good. But my sense is that it has always stems from a strong sense of club loyalty, community spirit and affiliation rather than actual game entertainment value. Even when i was there a few years ago, there were a few eye brows raised when I inquired about getting tickets to some of these games since EPL matches was unfortunately not an option. The feeling expressed towards me was, " why would I bother with that stuff". Also, one would think that its those clubs in second tier that teams in MLS are lining up to play in friendlies against. So far we have only witnessed AVFC and Benfica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SthMelbRed Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Put it down to regional jealousy if that makes you feel better, mate, but the truth of the matter is that the best players in MLS would be off to play in the English League Championship in a heartbeat if they were good enough. The plain fact is that not that many are. Nobody is saying that Hume would be better off in Scandinavia. He definitely IS better off at Leicester than he is at TFC. It was a good try at sidetracking the obvious fault in your argument, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 Most players in the MLS wouldn't qualify for a UK work permit. They would only if they had a EU passport or met the conditions through appearances with their national team (like Peters)or the exceptional player exemption (ie. Anderson at Man U). Even mega-goal scorer Afonso Alves of Heerenveen doesn't qualify and is likely to go to AZ Almaar instead. On differences in quality, I think the leagues are sufficiently different in style to make it difficult to compare. I also agree that the top players in MLS are probably capable of playing at a higher level than the League Championship but the lower and mid-range players might be at the same or a lower level. On Hume, I agree with those who would like see him in Toronto but at Robinson-like money. I don't think he is DP-material. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Canuck Oranje Most players in the MLS wouldn't qualify for a UK work permit. They would only if they had a EU passport or met the conditions throught appearances with their national team (like Peters). Even mega-goal scorer Afonso Alves of Heerenveen doesn't qualify and is likely to go to AZ Almaar instead. Bah you beat me to it. If we just looked at things economically with out taking into account labour restrictions Blackpool would be playing the same level football as Boca Jrs or Fluminense. I’d still rank the CCC ahead of MLS but not my much. There is very little difference between the top half of MLS and most teams in the CCC. The style of play in the CCC isn't doing them many favors either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted January 10, 2008 Share Posted January 10, 2008 I would personally rank MLS as somewhere between the Championship and League 1, ie. not quite as good as the Championship but better than League 1. I think MLS is more comparable to the 2nd divisions in Germany or France than those in England and Spain. I do think Hume is far better off to stay in England not so much because the level is so much higher but because his chances of transferring to EPL or another top European league are higher if he stays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fort York Redcoat1555362293 Posted January 20, 2008 Share Posted January 20, 2008 MLS squads haves played less games in a season with less players in a League bubble in a different "Playoff" format competition. The quality of the teams in MLS are less proven because the league is so small and teams play to get into the post season. On the other hand, things are changing with the CONCACAF Champions league which I assume will be elligible for the World Club Championship so we'll see more comparisons to South American sides who's quality are more determined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ob1 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by Free kick Free kick, lay off the pot. SthmelbRed is %100 right, and your %100 drunk. The MLS is not even close, yet. I hope for their sake (well, really for Canadian soccer) that maybe one day they will be. I’m happy Toronto has a team, I’m from Toronto, can’t wait to get back there and watch them, maybe get season tickets, take the whole family, paint my face. But not for one second am I going to fool myself into believe that the soccer is as good as English Championship, it might, might come close to L1. It’s going to take years before it can get over it’s (I’m on the downward spiral of my career so I’ll jump to this league and school some crap defense with my way past the use by date skills) tag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 quote:Originally posted by ob1 One again, : "Prove it!" and once again, how in the world could a league ( the CCC ), where the majority of its players are English, be so be stocked with world beating talent when there is not a single national side from the british Iles who has qualified for Euro 2008. And furthermore, when the consensus explanation for that failure to qualify is the lack of talent depth. If the CCC is as strong as you say it is, what are we to make of serie B then? or what about the sec div in Spain for example? here is something else to ponder in regards to international soccer, Do we even know or have proof that, at this time, England is a more formidable international side than the United States? [:0]. OOPS!!!, I may have implied something sacriligeous, If so I will leave a seek repentance [8)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ob1 Posted January 21, 2008 Share Posted January 21, 2008 Free kick I think you missed the point You are right about serie b and second league Spain and bundes 2, they are all better then MLS is right now. That’s what it all comes down too, the MLS is not top quality yet, and we should not be wishing our young and promising stars to play there. MLS is an elevator, some are on the up some are on the down, but most can’t even find the lift. As far as the US vs. England didn’t England beat them not to long ago with a b or c squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 quote:Originally posted by ob1 Free kick I think you missed the point You are right about serie b and second league Spain and bundes 2, they are all better then MLS is right now. That’s what it all comes down too, the MLS is not top quality yet, and we should not be wishing our young and promising stars to play there. MLS is an elevator, some are on the up some are on the down, but most can’t even find the lift. As far as the US vs. England didn’t England beat them not to long ago with a b or c squad? I don't think that CCC is better than the mid to better MLS sides. Using last year at TFC is not a good way to look and compare, as TFC played poorly. I saw other matches with superior play in MLS, with sharp passing and good tactical sense. But if I were to compare with 2nd division Spain, I think the MLS is quite comparable, and you are talking about a lot of internationals from around the world in 2nd division. You look at pre-season results in La Manga between MLS and top flight Norway and you see that the level is similar. I think the real problem is that the salary structure is still weak in MLS, which is why I can't understand how a player like Hume would even consider going there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted January 22, 2008 Share Posted January 22, 2008 A recent blog from the Guardian on the CCC. Not very complimentary. http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/sport/2008/01/15/fast_strong_and_not_actually_v.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted January 23, 2008 Share Posted January 23, 2008 Well, Hume has one less striker to compete with at Leicester, as De Vries appears headed to Dundee United. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/d/dundee_utd/7205468.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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