Jason De Vos on The Score

[Number6]

There is the link: http://portal.thescore.ca/video/Player.aspx?vid=943

I am a regular viewer of the show now online, love the Canadian content.

Interesting that he mentioned deVos wasn't the most popular among some players and compared him to Julian DeGuzman. It seemed to me that there was a conflict between JDG and JDV or sorts, maybe I misread into it.

On Jaime Peters, we need this guy to get going, thought it seems his malaise continues.

It would be nice if deVos came back to sort things out administratively, but he would need political supporters from the top and grassroots support from local organizations below to squeeze out what holds the CSA back.

As a player, we need his talent. As PJ said, we lack depth and he has enough talent to be serviceable. If there is a clash of character between JDG and JDV, Mitchell may not bring him in so as to not upset his most talented player.

[Guest Dave]

I don't think he was implying a rift between JDG and JDV. He seemed to be drawing a contrast between JDG as someone who leads by his talent on the field, vs JDV as a "leader" in the more traditional sense of the word. He prefaced this by mentioning how some Voyageurs were suggesting JDG as captain. Thanks for the love, Paul!

If I were to guess, I'd say that Stalteri, and possibly Jimmy Brennan are the most likely to have clashed with JDV in the past. (I'm only guessing here, no inside info). Unless someone like Rick Titus speaks up on this, we're unlikely to ever know. At any rate, they are all professionals and should be able to work together for a shared goal regardless. I'd love to see De Vos back.

As a final note, although I was fairly ambibalent about PJ as a coach in the past, I must say I'm impressed with how he presents himself on the air. Communication skills at least equal to Yallop, but seems a bit more sincere. I've always thought that good communication and honesty were big parts of coaching. I wonder if Paul J has any new tactical ideas since his last go-round with Canada? Could he be a candidate for Asst Coach in future?

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Dave

As a final note, although I was fairly ambibalent about PJ as a coach in the past, I must say I'm impressed with how he presents himself on the air. Communication skills at least equal to Yallop, but seems a bit more sincere. I've always thought that good communication and honesty were big parts of coaching. I wonder if Paul J has any new tactical ideas since his last go-round with Canada? Could he be a candidate for Asst Coach in future?

Agree with this. I've been impress by James tactical knowledge and he sounds like someone who knows a lot about the game.

[sstackho]

James - great interview. You asked important questions, with no fluff. And the interview was nice and LONG. It's great to have time devoted to interviews and not condensed into a couple of minutes of soundbites.

I think JDV has left the door wide open to come back for WCQ. It's surprising (yet not really, I suppose) that no-one from the CSA has even spoken with him in god knows how long. One would hope that the manager has full say as to who he picks for his squad, without any pressure from the boys on the board who don't like JDV telling it like it is.

I only saw the online archive, so I didn't get to hear Paul James's comments. Based on Dave's comments, I would guess that he means the JDV isn't popular with the CSA staff due to his rocking of the boat. But I suppose his vocal style could annoy some fellow players. (Middle fingers, anyone? )

[Guest Dave]

Upon listening to the show again, it's clear that Paul James was referring to other players. He said (paraphrased) "not the most popular among some others in the Canadian setup" or words to that effect.

[Gian-Luca]

James was absolutely referring to other players in the Canadian team (his segment is now also up on thescore.ca - check for most recent videos on the footy show when you go into the video section). Interestingly he also responds to the thread on this board about who should be captain, and particular De Guzman's suitability.

[Grizzly]

The have been certainly rumours in the past of DeVos being unpopular with teammates on the national team and also several of his club sides.

[Grizzly]

The have been certainly rumours in the past of DeVos being unpopular with teammates on the national team and also several of his club sides.

[BearcatSA]

quote:Originally posted by Dave

Could he be a candidate for Asst Coach in future?

Maybe instead he should be in the TFC coaching set up?

Good job interviewing, James. But I'm enjoying more the musings and opinions of Paul James right after the interview is compete, so keep that continuing, Footy Show.

[Cheeta]

quote:Originally posted by loyola

Agree with this. I've been impress by James tactical knowledge and he sounds like someone who knows a lot about the game.

[xx(]

Yeah, hate to admit it but I've rather warmed up to James the last few months as he's come out of his shell and given the viewers credit and not talked down to them.

Says his bit, doesn't exactly dumb it down too much and hints that things are always more complicated than they seem, which is of course true 99% of the time.

I'm a firm believer that at the senior levels sooo much about management/coaching is about managing the player pool available to you in whatever circumstance. Some coaches select players who suit their vision and some coaches adapt to the tools availed them. Canada odviously need the latter sort and I'm not sure if James is it.

But as an assistant? I don't know. As one of the assistants? Sure. Absolutely. But I can't comment on his man management skills. His HR skills. And as I've mentioned, I feel that skill set is as important as any tactical knowledge a NT manager may possess.

(ergo Hart and not Mitch approaching JDV. JDV doesn't want to have to ask to be included in a NT program which may not want him and Mitch as the MNT coach doesn't want to ask an unofficially retired player to come back UNLESS both parties already know the answer they will get in turn will be a positive one. Yeah, junior high school stuff but an important face saving exercise for all concerned. That's what assistants do. Dirty work on behalf of the head coach. Doesn't matter if it's running basic drills, stroking egos, or getting off-the-record feedback from the "troops". Assistants are the safety valve for the players and the eyes and ears of the manager).

Besides, I think James is having too much fun being an analyst these days to want to leap back into the meat-grinder of coaching.

[Guest Dave]

Well, I wouldn't be surprised if Dale Mitchell, Jason De Vos, and Steven Hart all have had a peak at this thread. Come on guys, you know that Canada needs JDV, and Jason, if you come out for Canada this one last time YOU WILL PLAY IN THE WORLD CUP, ALMOST GUARANTEED.

JDV will be remembered in years to come as the guy who came out of retirement and led Canada back to the World Cup.

Last chance guys, get 'er done! For the Red and White.

[Soju]

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[ken]

quote:

Besides, I think James is having too much fun being an analyst these days to want to leap back into the meat-grinder of coaching.

I thought he is or was the coach for York University.

[Toronto MB]

Firstly, Jason made a closing remark that his "time has passed" when answering the question: would you return for Canada? That seemed conflicting with what he had been saying leading up to that statement.

Secondly, where do we insert Jason if he does return, does he just automatically unseed McKenna? I think we can all agree they shouldn't be played together as they are both lacking a bit in pace and that could be dangerous. Is he that much better than McKenna?

And in reference to who he may be "unpopular" with the only thing that comes to mind is the Stalteri incident in Mexico City. But also the team seems to have a very cooled out vibe with guys like DeRo and Deguzman leading the way. Headphones on, flowing style of play, and I wonder how Jason would mesh with that.

Its a tough call. But an important one. And something that shouuld be discussed with Jason/Dale/Stephen at the very least.

[CanadasBest]

Last WCQ we had a lot of injuries at the back line. We would be fools not to include JDV in the player pool.

Watson was playing with Charleston. He was done playing in Europe. JDV could still really contribute defensively and offensively on set pieces.

[Cheeta]

quote:Originally posted by ken

I thought he is or was the coach for York University.

Yes. I was under that impression as well (ie he's at York). Should clarify that I meant NT coaching with the administrative politics, the player politics, the media politics and the travel.

[SouthAfricaOrBust]

Leo Rautins does it, and I'd say Basketball Canada is a prety good comparison to the CSA..

[Grizzly]

quote:Originally posted by Toronto MB

Firstly, Jason made a closing remark that his "time has passed" when answering the question: would you return for Canada? That seemed conflicting with what he had been saying leading up to that statement.

Secondly, where do we insert Jason if he does return, does he just automatically unseed McKenna? I think we can all agree they shouldn't be played together as they are both lacking a bit in pace and that could be dangerous. Is he that much better than McKenna?

And in reference to who he may be "unpopular" with the only thing that comes to mind is the Stalteri incident in Mexico City. But also the team seems to have a very cooled out vibe with guys like DeRo and Deguzman leading the way. Headphones on, flowing style of play, and I wonder how Jason would mesh with that.

Its a tough call. But an important one. And something that shouuld be discussed with Jason/Dale/Stephen at the very least.

Regarding the rumours of him being unpopular, there were some postings on here years ago that said he was not popular with teammates at Dundee United and I think Darlington as well. I don't think there was any solid evidence backing up these allegations but the Stalteri incident is not the only thing hinting of this. I have also heard that DeVos doesn't really associate with his teammates off the field and has been seen by other players as being more on the side of the coach/management than as their representative. He seemed like a pretty good guy in the interview though so I don't know how much credibility we should put in such statements. Having a leadership position does not necessarily make one popular. On the other hand, when analyzing the Stalteri incident, while Stalteri can be a bit of a hothead on the field he has always been a popular player on the clubs he has played for and I have never seen him do anything remotely similar to giving the finger to DeVos. There have been some rumblings in the past about DeVos even though they are unsubstantiated.

Personally, I really hope he comes back because this is our weakest position and he may still be good enough to be a starter and at the very least would provide us good depth at the position and someone with a lot of experience playing under pressure. I would be against him regaining the captainship though because just like McKenna I don't think he is an automatic starter and we really need the captain to be one of our top players and someone who is assured to start every game.

[Guest Ed]

Certainly expect some flack for this but Jason de Vos would not be in my top 20 players for us in WCQ. He served us well but his time is passed.

And, my God, I have heartburn after reading the Paul James coaching tributes.

[youllneverwalkalone]

I'm getting old so I could be wrong, but wasn't James Magilton recently playing for Ipswich? I bring this up cause he seems like a decent manager but, like most English managers, will be fired shortly. Given that De Vos has fit into the English games like no other I can think of -being captain on every stop, I wonder if he's not only a couple years away from managing an English side? That would be pretty cool, to have a Canadian managing in Europe. Great experience even if, per my JM commments, it could be short lived.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

Certainly expect some flack for this but Jason de Vos would not be in my top 20 players for us in WCQ. He served us well but his time is passed.

And, my God, I have heartburn after reading the Paul James coaching tributes.

While I agree with your JdV assessment I'm wondering what's your problem with PJ?

[Guest Ed]

quote:Originally posted by loyola

While I agree with your JdV assessment I'm wondering what's your problem with PJ?

He was a disaster as a coach on and off the field.

[SthMelbRed]

quote:Originally posted by youllneverwalkalone

I'm getting old so I could be wrong, but wasn't James Magilton recently playing for Ipswich? I bring this up cause he seems like a decent manager but, like most English managers, will be fired shortly. Given that De Vos has fit into the English games like no other I can think of -being captain on every stop, I wonder if he's not only a couple years away from managing an English side? That would be pretty cool, to have a Canadian managing in Europe. Great experience even if, per my JM commments, it could be short lived.

Jim Magilton was indeed a player and captain with Ipswich Town until he retired to take over as manager (from Joe Royle, I believe). When he became manager, he named JDV as his replacement as captain. I think this is his second season as manager.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

He was a disaster as a coach on and off the field.

I cannot really comment on his off the field coaching (did he miss some obvious talent?) but his results on the field were pretty solid by our standards. He did qualify us to a WYC.

[Guest Ed]

quote:Originally posted by loyola

I cannot really comment on his off the field coaching (did he miss some obvious talent?) but his results on the field were pretty solid by our standards. He did qualify us to a WYC.

He took the most talented group of U20s we've ever had and destroyed the team before we even took the field in Argentina. Your standards maybe, not mine.