CanadianSwede Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I was reading some stuff on the FIFA Club World cup and they said that the players from this team are amateur, essentially the have monday-friday jobs while playing football on the side. Is this the case for the Impact and Whitecaps along with other teams in the USL? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I'm wondering why the Wellington Phoenix, who play in the Australian A-league aren't elgible to compete in the Oceania club championship. Surely they'd make better representation for the region. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Probably because they play in an "Asian" league. As for the USL, it is a semi-pro league. Top players will make a decent salary, but nothing extravagant, ie $40k-$60k for 6-8 months of work. Some players play indoors, hold camps, or hold other jobs for additional income. For the Impact, a player like Leduc holds camps, while Fronimadis apparently works in a bar and Gervais works as an engineer at Saputo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Daniel, what would you estimate the recently re-signed DiLorenzo is making? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I'd expect something in that range (40-60k), plus maybe an apartment while in MTL?. Seeing as he lives in Argentina, a stable pay and a decent salary in a good organisation is pretty good money and job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Interesting thought crossed my mind. Are the revenues for a club such as the impact all that much different than a typical MLS clubs? especially considering that MLS has revenue sharing model. If not why couldn't the team salaries budget be more in line with MLS? The Mtl attendance is not drastically different than some MLS clubs ( eg.: NYRB)and their games are televised on SRC plus on two radio stations. Their board ads ( unlike TFC) look like its revenues that accrue to the club and not the league. Recall that many TFC board advertisments are league or US based with questionable affiliation to Canada which leads me to suggest that its revenue that goes to the league rather than club; unlike the Impact whereby the board ads suggest a local affiliation. Therefore, if MLS clubs can cap team salaries at $2.1 Mil, would it be unfair to say that, based on the Mtl Impact model, you could have a salary budget of, say, $1.5 Mil? That averages out to $83,000 per player ( 1,500,000/18). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 There is, however, a huge difference in ticket prices and number of tickets given away for free. Plus, although the Impact have good attendance for the USL, it is still only slightly more than half of the TFC attendance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly There is, however, a huge difference in ticket prices and number of tickets given away for free. Plus, although the Impact have good attendance for the USL, it is still only slightly more than half of the TFC attendance. Actually, i forgot to mention ticket prices. Individually, the ticket prices also strike me as very comparable. the price of my ticket was 15$, because its part of a season ticket package, the average cost comes to 10-12$. I think i paid more at the Impact game that I attended. Though you may have point in regards to the high end tickets. At the recent ticket window ( open house) for season ticket holders that was held in october , they were selling sideline tables for $12,500 for the whole year. And if I a not mistaken, they sold them out as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Sponsorship and TV contracts are big in MLS. Adidas is paying the league something like $15m a year for its equipment exclusivity deal. The Impact's total budget is at around $2m, about half of that accounting for player budget. Compare the Impact's head office with TFC's and you start to see the difference in scale. Edit: Wow, looks like the Impact Head Office has *grown*, especially with ticket sales. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Free kick Actually, i forgot to mention ticket prices. Individually, the ticket prices also strike me as very comparable. the price of my ticket was 15$, because its part of a season ticket package, the average cost comes to 10-12$. I think i paid more at the Impact game that I attended. Though you may have point in regards to the high end tickets. At the recent ticket window ( open house) for season ticket holders that was held in october , they were selling sideline tables for $12,500 for the whole year. And if I a not mistaken, they sold them out as well. You must be sitting in the cheapest seats (supporter's end zone section) though if that is what you paid. What you are referring to as high end tickets is more than 2/3rds of BMO stadium. At CCR the majority of tickets sold for $10 adults and $5 children. The more expensive opposing stand (I think it was $20 or $25) was often not so full and many of those in the seats had complimentary tickets. From ticket revenue I think there is a big gap between the clubs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 If you're just talking ticket prices, here are the comparisons: quote: PRESIDENT'S CLUB $1375 PLATINUM $1075 PRESTIGE $700 PITCH SEATS $425 GOLD $400 SILVER $300 BRONZE $200 I couldn't find any info on the Impact site regarding Premium Suites, but as you can see from the TFC chart, suites are a major money spinner: quote: Also, as Free kick stated, there are Sideline Tables (bar table with four bar stools at each) running the length of the east touchline (behind the ad boards) that run around $10-12,000 each. This is a good comparison between the upper echelon of MLS and USL teams (in the business sense). As is the USL teams are collecting far less money just inside the stadium, and that is only where tickets are concerned. Factor in concessions, local sponsorships, parking, etc., and it isn't even close. Then of course you figure in the national broadcasting/sponsorship deals that Daniel alluded to, and you get a clear view of the difference between MLS and USL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Although it was on free TV here, I missed the game for other reasons and Waitakere only lost 3-1. They couldn't have been too bad, I suppose. Next for the Iranian club is a rematch of the Asian Champion's League final with Japan's Urawa Reds. Sepahan beat Waitakere 3-1 in Club World Cup opener TOKYO (AFP) -- Iranian side Sepahan beat New Zealand's Waitakere United 3-1 on Friday to set up a rematch against Asian champions Urawa Red Diamonds in the Club World Cup. Sepahan, who lost to Japanese club Urawa in the AFC Champions League final, cashed in on Waitakere's slow start, going 2-0 up in the first four minutes to effectively kill off the game. ""We were lucky that we took two goals in the first few minutes. We were able to play comfortably afterwards, but we never thought we would win easily,"" said Sepahan's Croat coach Luka Bonacic. ""We tried to play defensively in the second half with a 3-4-3 formation because three of our players have a high fever, but Waitakere fought back by sending long balls to the two forwards. ""It is not that everything went well for us. Waitakere proved they can play well in the last 15 minutes. We just won in the end,"" he added. Sepahan took the lead when Jaba Mujiri's shot was blocked but Emad Mohammed Ridha quickly collected the rebound to open the scoring in the third minute. Only one minute later, Emad Mohammed Ridha scored again to give his side an early 2-0 lead. He had a chance to become the first scorer of a hat-trick in the Club World Cup but his shot hit a defender in the 24th minute. Oceanian champions Waitakere had to wait until the 28th minute for their first shot at goal, Neil Emblen shooting well wide. Sepahan again got off to a flying start to the second half when Ehsan Haji-Safi sent in a cross for Abdul Wahab Abu Al Hail to score on 47 minutes. Although Sepahan finished runners-up in the AFC Champions League, they secured a place here because the host country can only have one team in the tournament. Waitakere finally found the net with 16 minutes left, and although the goal was initially credited to United's Darren Bazeley, it was later officially marked as an own-goal by Hadi Aqily. Either way, it was too little too late. ""It would have been a different story if we didn't see the two silly goals in the first five minutes. I don't know why we started so poorly. It took us too long to have the grip of this,"" said Waitakere coach Chris Milicich. ""In the last 20 minutes, the boys were just getting back into this game. They didn't stop. They kept going on. I'm very proud of these boys. We can quickly become a competent professional side that will cope with any situation."" Captain and defender Danny Hay, who has played in England before, said: ""It hurts because of the five minutes of madness at the beginning of the game. At this level, you can't make individual errors like we did."" ""I think we showed in the second half as we pushed on that we can cause a few problems but it was very, very disappointing we made such stupid errors,"" he added. Sepahan will play Urawa at the Toyota stadium in central Japan on Monday in the third Club World Cup, in which Boca Juniors of Argentina and AC Milan of Italy are clear favorites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 I watched the game, Waitakere was terrible. Sepahan scored two goals in the first few minutes and then backed off. Waitakere looked to me as a mid table usl club at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSwede Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by piltdownman I watched the game, Waitakere was terrible. Sepahan scored two goals in the first few minutes and then backed off. Waitakere looked to me as a mid table usl club at best. Pretty good for playing against the runners up in the AFC Champions league with players who are amateurs. The score line suggests it wasn't a blow out, which is good. But terrible i guess if you are comparing between the teams who are playing. Going for Pachuca! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 quote:Originally posted by CanadianSwede I was reading some stuff on the FIFA Club World cup and they said that the players from this team are amateur, essentially the have monday-friday jobs while playing football on the side. Is this the case for the Impact and Whitecaps along with other teams in the USL? Cheers Some might have Monday-Friday jobs, but the team has about 4 former UK professionals (Tier 2) and a couple of former NZL pros on the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSwede Posted December 9, 2007 Author Share Posted December 9, 2007 Interesting didn't know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piltdownman Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 It should also be noted that the Galaxy beat the Wellington club 4-1 last month. The same Galaxy that went 0-0 with the whitecaps a few months earlier. Like I said mid level USL club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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