TFC Waiver List is up

[ag futbol]

From: http://web.mlsnet.com/news/mls_news.jsp?ymd=20071128&content_id=131302&vkey=pr_mls&fext=.jsp

Players Waived:

TORONTO FC: Adam Braz, Maycoll Canizalez, Srdjan Djekanovic, David Guzman, Stephen Lumley, Cristian Nunez, Marco Reda

[nolando]

More disposable Canadians, I suppose....at least in Mo's eyes. Remind me again; when was was this supposed to be good for Canadian football?

[Gian-Luca]

Apparently if they want to re-sign a player at a lower salary they have to waive them first. While that isn't possible for the dev. players who are already at the lowest salary possible, it might apply to someone like Adam Braz.

The only real disappointment for me is the apparent giving up on Cristian Nunez who's still what, 18? 19? Seems premature. The rest were somewhat predictable choices.

There are also reports coming from the TFC pub nights that the players still with the team are expecting Pozniak to return to TFC via a trade. Which is fine, except that they could have easily kept him without costing them anything had Mo been a bit shrewder with the expansion draft.

[An Observer]

Yeah, I am a bit surprised with Nunez (and Lumley as well). Nunez was originally signed by a Lyn in Norway (only to not get a work permit). Personally, I think the player has alot of upside. Seems talented on the ball and a good passer. That's rare in Canada. Lumley has alot of speed and seemed have decent on the ball. He seemed to be error prone though in the few matches I saw him. I also think he is too small for a central defender but I thought could have been converted to a right back.

[Free kick]

I too thought that Nuñez had some potential. Though I still maintain that no one really impressed me at the U20 WC, there were none-the-less some who showed that they had some potential at some facet of their game even if the total package was missing. Nuñez was one of them.

My recollection of Nuñez from the Chile game was that he had a willingness and confidence on the ball. That didn't mean necessarily that he was successfull and that it panned out. In that game, I recall one time where he succeeded in contolling the ball longer than anyone but nothing would happen because he had no option and no one was open or making a run for him. Perhaps it was his indecision and true, in the end fans were sighing in frustration and he was subbed off. I dont disagreed with subbing him off but since the U20 is as much an assessment of potential than it a true comptetion, I too saw some potential of upside in him like I could have said about Matondo a few years earlier.

I think it would be mistake to give up on him now. maybe he wasn't as good in that tournament as some others on the team. But I definitely saw more potential in him than many of the others. Some of whose names are being bandied around when MNT selections come up.

[ag futbol]

The big question is: who's coming to the Dev roster if we cut these players? If we're under the impression that we're going to take our late draft picks and sign them to Dev contracts Mo Johnston needs to do some research. It's been widely reported that these contracts are being spurned by players who would rather go to the USL and earn 4x the money, Steve Goff wrote as much in the Washington post.

[redhat]

Mo's crazy, plain and simple. To waive a developmental player is to do what? Give up

on them. Nunez, Guzman, Lumley will eventually grow to their potential, but apparently

not with TFC. Right, let's get rid of your future and stick with old, out-of-shape,

imports (Marshall, Samuel, etc.). That's a winning formula, eh Mo?

If there's a case for ineffective Euro-snobbery it's here.

[Guest Ed]

Canada's team my ass. It's pitiful to realize that we have not just better (to be expected) player development going on in Germany than in Toronto but more Cdns being developed over there. One of the founding tenets of this team has been shown to be smoke and mirrors.

[Massive Attack]

Seriously. This is the Arsenal of Canada.

Mo should be fired. He has proven once again what an idiot he is.

[Marc]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

Canada's team my ass. It's pitiful to realize that we have not just better (to be expected) player development going on in Germany than in Toronto but more Cdns being developed over there. One of the founding tenets of this team has been shown to be smoke and mirrors.

Bang on

[loyola]

I can understand waiving some of those guys (Reda, Maycoll and Srdjan who weren't up to MLS level of play) but I'm very concerned by the waiving of younger players like Nunez and Lumley. Also, Braz did show at the end of the year that he could at least be use as an emergency back up. I don't understand what Mo is doing right now.

[Gian-Luca]

quote:Originally posted by ag futbol

The big question is: who's coming to the Dev roster if we cut these players?

The only one I am aware of being likely is David Monsalve replacing Djekanovic on the dev. roster, which is fine because Serge would be too old for the dev. roster by next year anyway. Plus I'd rather see Serge getting the starting nod for the Whitecaps next year than see him sit in the stands because Mo doesn't like him.

Other than that, it could be that Mo is going to sign a bunch of the Canadian players that "guested" for the TFC reserves last year. Assuming of course that those players are young enough (ie. under the age of 25 by the end of next season). They could certainly do with some young strikers on their developmental roster.

[Gian-Luca]

quote:Originally posted by loyola

I can understand waiving some of those guys (Reda, Maycoll and Srdjan who weren't up to MLS level of play) but I'm very concerned by the waiving of younger players like Nunez and Lumley. Also, Braz did show at the end of the year that he could at least be use as an emergency back up. I don't understand what Mo is doing right now.

Not to defend Mo, but as I mentioned earlier in the thread Braz might not actually be gone.

Nunez is from Montreal, so one wonders if he might have asked to be waived to try his luck with the Impact where he could at least live at home.

[Ivan]

None of those on the list are a big surprise to me, but I would have liked to have seen Nunez in game action for TFC. The coaching staff obviously preferred Melo, Gala, Monsalve & Hemming to those listed. I also understand that wanted to play Attakora-Gyan, but he was hurt at the end of the year.

[Richard]

Player selection decisions are inevitably subjective and there will always be those who will take issue with almost every decision made by coaching staff and believe they could do a much better job and field a much stronger team. 'Twas ever thus.

[ag futbol]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

Canada's team my ass. It's pitiful to realize that we have not just better (to be expected) player development going on in Germany than in Toronto but more Cdns being developed over there. One of the founding tenets of this team has been shown to be smoke and mirrors.

I'm just one step behind you on this one. If Johnston has player lined up to take these Dev spots then let's see what they do. Some people are always complaining about our talent development process being political and flawed, well the vast majority of these guys came through referral. Let’s see what happens when TFC is doing the leg work themselves. Not suggesting the results are going to be better but let's see what's coming.

If we have open Dev spots or worse players coming 08 season, we can just add this to the pile of things Mo Johnston already does wrong.

[Guest Ed]

The only selection today is by TFC, picking up GK Jon Busch.

OOPS - So much for reading other message boards. No news yet.

[ag futbol]

Going a little OT here but i think this might be worth it.

Coming from Big Soccer, which i understand is not the most credible of sources, but still.

Ali Gerba has been told today that he has no future at IFK Gothenburg and that the club will actively seek a new club for him (likely on the cheap), maybe something interesting for you lot?

This was coming from an IFK fan.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613520&page=12

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by ag futbol

Going a little OT here but i think this might be worth it.

Coming from Big Soccer, which i understand is not the most credible of sources, but still.

Ali Gerba has been told today that he has no future at IFK Gothenburg and that the club will actively seek a new club for him (likely on the cheap), maybe something interesting for you lot?

This was coming from an IFK fan.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613520&page=12

It's look like a reliable source IMO.

Gerba would be a nice pick by TFC and since IFK are looking to sell him "on the cheap" it might be the best moment to make a move.

[Guest Ed]

I'm hoping Frank picks him up as he might get some p/t then.

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

I'm hoping Frank picks him up as he might get some p/t then.

It would be better to get Gerba to TFC and then trade him to get Pozniak back....

[loyola]

quote:Originally posted by Ed

I'm hoping Frank picks him up as he might get some p/t then.

It would be better to get Gerba to TFC and then trade him to get Pozniak back....

[Gian-Luca]

quote:Originally posted by ag futbol

Going a little OT here but i think this might be worth it.

Coming from Big Soccer, which i understand is not the most credible of sources, but still.

Ali Gerba has been told today that he has no future at IFK Gothenburg and that the club will actively seek a new club for him (likely on the cheap), maybe something interesting for you lot?

This was coming from an IFK fan.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613520&page=12

Frankly I was surprised they took him back after his spell with the Danish club last year. I expect Ali has a good chance of going back to Denmark.

I would prefer him on TFC of course, but unfortunately Mo Johnston is our coach & GM, so my expectations of that happening are low.

[Gian-Luca]

quote:Originally posted by ag futbol

Going a little OT here but i think this might be worth it.

Coming from Big Soccer, which i understand is not the most credible of sources, but still.

Ali Gerba has been told today that he has no future at IFK Gothenburg and that the club will actively seek a new club for him (likely on the cheap), maybe something interesting for you lot?

This was coming from an IFK fan.

http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=613520&page=12

Frankly I was surprised they took him back after his spell with the Danish club last year. I expect Ali has a good chance of going back to Denmark.

I would prefer him on TFC of course, but unfortunately Mo Johnston is our coach & GM, so my expectations of that happening are low.

[Grizzly]

quote:Originally posted by loyola

It's look like a reliable source IMO.

Gerba would be a nice pick by TFC and since IFK are looking to sell him "on the cheap" it might be the best moment to make a move.

They weren't willing to sell him cheap a few months ago to AC Horsens so I am not sure of the accuracy of the cheap part. I think it has been clear for some time that he didn't have a future at IFK so unless they have lowered their transfer fee expectations nothing much has changed.