Vic Posted November 24, 2007 Share Posted November 24, 2007 http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5gnTESkgUrTRES2_u8EwH5WMZF4yA The dream is fresh contemporary thinking, the reality is no one to champion it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 We keep hearing about how short we are for money in the national programs. We are paying TWO national team coaches full time salaries. Why can't one of those coach the U20 team especially because he did it before instead of the CSA having to pay more money for another coach. Who is running this organization anyways? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Actually if we want to save money, let's look for someone who will do it for free. Money is not always the solution, but a lot of times you get what you pay for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Ault Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 quote:Originally posted by basics We keep hearing about how short we are for money in the national programs. We are paying TWO national team coaches full time salaries. Why can't one of those coach the U20 team especially because he did it before instead of the CSA having to pay more money for another coach. Who is running this organization anyways? These positions are both honoria positions - i.e. not full time - so they are not costing us a great deal but that does not negate the possibility as you say of the full timers taking on the added responsibility. The women's U20 position for example - Ian Bridge is now a full time assistant to Pellerud but does not have time to run the U20s?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Bill, Has Ian Bridge's position changed since he was the U20 coach? If so who allowed it to happen that he is no longer the U20 coach and now Pellurud's assistant only for the same money. Why can't Pellurud's assistant be a honoria position? I thought Ian Bridge, when he was the U20 coach was always Pellurud's assistant. How can he only be Pellurud's assistant for the same amount of money. Is his salary not around $90,000 a year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 quote:Originally posted by basics Bill, Has Ian Bridge's position changed since he was the U20 coach? If so who allowed it to happen that he is no longer the U20 coach and now Pellurud's assistant only for the same money. Why can't Pellurud's assistant be a honoria position? I thought Ian Bridge, when he was the U20 coach was always Pellurud's assistant. How can he only be Pellurud's assistant for the same amount of money. Is his salary not around $90,000 a year? Those are good questions to ask Mr. Pollerud. Isn't he in charge of the women's programs anymore? When Bridge was coaching the U20, Pellerud was always at his side anyway. If the CSA has now taken over the running of the U20, I personally would like to see somebody new coaching these girls. Somebody who doesn't follow the kick-it-up-the-field and find-yourself-out-of-position system of Pellerud. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 I think the next U20 coach has already been decided before the position was posted. I think it will be a coach who always seems to go on all the women's team trips with Pellurud and Bridge. That person would be Bob Biranda but I thought the person getting this position would have to have his National "A" so maybe I am wrong. The CSA does not seem to want a change where the coaching is involved but it would be nice for someone new to be coaching the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Ault Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 quote:Originally posted by basics Has Ian Bridge's position changed since he was the U20 coach? If so who allowed it to happen that he is no longer the U20 coach and now Pellurud's assistant only for the same money. Why can't Pellurud's assistant be a honoria position? I thought Ian Bridge, when he was the U20 coach was always Pellurud's assistant. How can he only be Pellurud's assistant for the same amount of money. Is his salary not around $90,000 a year? Has his position changed - yes - he is now full time with the senior team as an assistant. I would guess that this because the commitment to the Women's team leading up to the Olympics precludes involvement with the U20s who also I think have a busy 2008 ahead. As for his salary I have no idea but your number seems high based on other numbers I have seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Both the U20's and U17's have World Cups in 2008 so you would think instead of putting BOTH full time coaches with the women's team that at least one of them would be the coach of either the U20 or U17 team. I do not think that a world cup event is less important than an Olympic event. If the CSA thinks that the men's olympics,the women's U20,U17 coaches and staff can be honoria then why do they think that the women's olympic team needs two full time staff. I must be missing something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Que Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Maybe Bridge doesn't want to coach at this level anymore (he's done it 3x already). Maybe he's trying to set himself up for the senior head coach position when P. leaves at the end of the Olympics. This might be a weaker Canadian U20 team this year because of the conflict with the NCAA/CIS season. Some of the big names may decide not to play for Canada and stay with their college teams instead? I don't know, but it happened last time. That would make it less attractive for Bridge or anyone to coach them this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 6, 2007 Share Posted December 6, 2007 Jon Que, So do you think the CSA would want a senior coach that dictates to them what team he wants to coach and if he does not feel he will be successful opts to do what he thinks is good for him and not the program. That really sounds like a person who is a team player. Maybe the big names decided they did not want to play for Canada because they did not like the coaches and their style of playing. Maybe it is time for a change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I think a professional coach is entitled to choose what job he does or what career path he follows just as anybody else does, no matter what the field of endeavor. Like the rest of us, professional coaches must make decisions based on what they consider is best for their own career development, themselves and their families. If their employer - the CSA in this instance - doesn't like it they can always terminate his contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 When the CSA hires a coach do they announce the list of candidates (applicants) for the job? It would be nice to know who applied with a brief resume of each, but there is no requirement for the CSA to disclose this information. I would assume that prospective coaches outline their philosophy during the interview and the hiring committee selects the candidate that they feel would do the best job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 2004 U19 Eliminated by China in Quarter-final 2006 U20 Eliminated by Nigeria in group stage Without accountability, we are robbing our women and girls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpfan68 Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 The China loss was due to a very poor call at the beginning of the match where we lost our keeper on a red card and gave up a penalty kick goal. How many teams can recover from down 1 - 0 and only 10 players at that level? I don't think you can blame that on the coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Que Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by basics Jon Que, So do you think the CSA would want a senior coach that dictates to them what team he wants to coach and if he does not feel he will be successful opts to do what he thinks is good for him and not the program. That really sounds like a person who is a team player. Maybe the big names decided they did not want to play for Canada because they did not like the coaches and their style of playing. Maybe it is time for a change. I think what is good for him is also good for the program in this case. It's just time to move on. It's a win-win. I do think that he will be a great resource for whoever is the future coach (he is one of the most experienced U20 coaches in the world). I'm not sure what big names you are thinking of, but I find it hard to believe that teenagers are not playing for their country because they don't like the style of play of the coach. Their teenagers!! Maybe I'm old fashioned but, what the heck do they know? I think the team is probably better off without them then. I would rather have a player there with a little less talent, but more commitment and heart towards their country. That is part of being a good team player in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Jon Que, You are the one who mentioned "big names "in your post on Dec 6th you said that it would be less attractive for Bridge to coach because he would be missing those"big name" players. I think you contradict yourself when you expect the players to be team players and not the coach. If Ian Bridge was a team player he would first of all coach a team unconditionally not only when he thinks he will be successful. The women's team does not need TWO full time staff when the other nationals teams do not have ANY full time coaches. If Bridge is not interested in the U20 position his salary could be used elsewhere. I would assume that the CSA cannot afford to pay out Bridge and Pellurud contracts so I guess they are waiting until their contract ends to make the necessary changes that the program needs to be successful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trillium Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard I think a professional coach is entitled to choose what job he does or what career path he follows just as anybody else does, no matter what the field of endeavor. Like the rest of us, professional coaches must make decisions based on what they consider is best for their own career development, themselves and their families. If their employer - the CSA in this instance - doesn't like it they can always terminate his contract. If Bridge is a employee he can be assigned the U20 team, just as any employer can move employees to meet the employers needs, within the terms of any collective agreement. So that means Bridge is most likely supplied to the CSA on a "contract" with a front company being the contractor and Bridge being the designated resource, in such a situtation Bridge is not an employeee of the CSA. If this is the case it is difficult to end his contract unless the terms have not been fulfilled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 It is confirmed. Bridge will not be coaching the U20. A new coach will be appointed soon. But, I guess we kind of knew that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 8, 2007 Share Posted December 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Trillium If Bridge is a employee he can be assigned the U20 team, just as any employer can move employees to meet the employers needs, within the terms of any collective agreement. So that means Bridge is most likely supplied to the CSA on a "contract" with a front company being the contractor and Bridge being the designated resource, in such a situtation Bridge is not an employeee of the CSA. If this is the case it is difficult to end his contract unless the terms have not been fulfilled. Most of these coaches are under some form of personal services contract with the CSA but whatever the terms they are 'employed' by the CSA and thus are employees. That's rather irrelevant to this discussion however as it would make no sense whatsoever for the CSA to try and force him into a position in which he no longer has any interest. A disgruntled coach is a recipe for failure all around, even our beloved CSA understands that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vic Posted December 8, 2007 Author Share Posted December 8, 2007 The US has a much larger body than us when it comes to coaching pool. And I think the decision to go overseas to Sundhage is a bit of a statement on both the lack of importance of nationalism and women in coaching. Too bad we didn't act quicker and scoop her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basics Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 As mentioned before why did the CSA even put an ad for a U20 coach when everyone knows it is going to be Bob Birada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanDouglas Posted December 20, 2007 Share Posted December 20, 2007 Advertising all job positions, regardless of circumstances, is a standard practise followed by pretty much any organisation large enough to matter. It's usually mandated by policy or regulation, and is ultimately a cover-your-ass-and-make-sure-you-followed-procedure-in-case-something-goes-wrong sort of thing. You can sometimes tell an organisation already has somebody in mind if the job requirements listed are very specific, ie tailor-made for that person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted December 22, 2007 Share Posted December 22, 2007 Bob Birarda named as head coach of the U20 girls http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/287832 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 4, 2008 Share Posted January 4, 2008 Have there been any other announcements? such as ID camps, exhibition games, training camps, assistant coaches, returning players, etc. 9 months go pretty fast... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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