Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Here's the list of un-protected players ahead of Wednesday's expansion draft for the Frank Yallop-led San Jose. Brennan is the only Canadian TFC player to be protected. With Yallop as the coach of San Jose, I think he's taking a risk that the likes of Pozniak will get snapped up (when he could easily have been protected instead of Marshall). EDIT: Looks like Serioux is protected. I thought initially he was left exposed. Onstand is un-protected though. COMPLETE LIST OF AVAILABLE PLAYERS FOR WEDNESDAY’S DRAFT Chivas USA Arvizu, David Brooks , Desmond Burling, Bobby Burpo, Preston Cunliffe, John Flores, Jorge Guevara, Amado Hamilton, Anthony Llamosa, Carlos Lopez, Rodrigo Hernandez, Jason Merlin, Laurent Myers, Justin Nunez, Ramon Perez, Orlando Robles, Eder Solorzano, Erasmo Zotinca, Alex Chicago Fire Busch, Jon Banner, Michael Curtin, Jeff Curtin, Jim Franks, Floyd Guerrero, Ivan Gutierrez, Diego Marques, Bruno Noble, Nick Plotkin, Brian Russolillo , Jordan Telesford, Osei Thorrington, John Woolard, Daniel Colorado Rapids Cancela, Jose Casey, Conor DiRaimondo, John Gargan, Dan Harvey , Jordan Hernandez, Nicolas Hughes, Justin Keel, Stephen Kirovski, Jovan LaBrocca, Nick Petke, Mike Prideaux, Brandon Sanneh, Tony Thornton, Zach Wilmes, Clifton Columbus Crew Garey, Jason Gaudette, Bill Grabavoy, Ned Griffin, Leonard Guenebaum, Andy Herron, Andy Hunter, Ben Junge, Ryan Miglioranzi, Stefani Moffat, Adam Moss, Brandon Pacheco, Andrei Peterson, Andrew Pierce, Rusty Thomas, Jacob Virtuoso, Ricardo FC Dallas De Oliveira, Denilson Botero, Juan Daniels, Andrew Dello-Russo, Michael Gbandi, Chris Gbandi, Sandy Goodson, Clarence Jones, Scott Mina, Roberto Oduro, Dominic Pitchkolan, Aaron Rhine, Bobby Sala, Dario (GK) Thompson, Abe Wagenfuhr, David Wileman, Chase Yi, Alex D.C. United Addlery, Nicholas Carroll, Brian Carroll, Jeff Crowe, Shawn Deroux, Stephen Dyachenko, Rod Gros, Joshua Kpene, Guy Mediate, Domenic Monteiro, Jerson Moose, Justin Mupier, Mira Nolly, Jay (GK) North, Brad Vanney, Greg Walker, Jamil Houston Dynamo Ashe, Corey Chabala, Mike Cochrane, Ryan Dalglish, Paul Ebert, Eric Hatzke, Nick Hayden, John Michael Hoerner, Kenneth James , Jordan Onstad, Pat Ustruck, Erik Waibel, Craig Wells, Zach Wondolowski, Chris Wondolowski, Stephen Kansas City Wizards Burciaga, Jose Colombano, Eloy Elcock, Edson Godbolt, AJ Guadarrama, Willy Hartman, Kevin Hohlbein, Aaron John, Will Konopka, Chris Kraus, Michael Kronberg, Eric Lowery, Amir McMahen, Ryan Pore, Ryan Raybould, Ryan Wahl, Tyson Watson, Lance LA Galaxy Cronin, Steve Caso, Mike Friesz, Lance Glinton, Gavin Gordon, Alan Gray, Kelly Harmse, Kevin Martino, Kyle Mathis, Clint Tudela, Josh Vagenas, Peter Veris, Kyle Xavier, Abel New England Revolution Byrne, Bryan Dorman, Andy Flood, Gary Franchino, Joe Gonzalez, Miguel Helton, Kyle John, Avery Knighton, Brad Leonard, Marshall Loftus, Chris Mansally, Abdoulie Nyassi, Sainey Riley, James Sims, Willie Warren, Doug New York Red Bulls Doe, Francis Caccavale, Sal Camp, Blake Cepero, Danny Goldthwaite, Kevin Ikangu, Elie Karcz, Chris Laventure, Jerrod Leitch, Chris Magee, Mike Patterson, Randi Quaranta, Santino Schopp, Markus Ubiparipovic, Sinisa Vide, Joseph Wolyniec, John Real Salt Lake Brown, Chris Brown, Kyle Curfman, Steven Cutler, Kenny Forko, Willis Hashimoto, Duke Jimenez, Christian Kipre, Jean-Martial Kirby, Dustin Kotschau, Ritchie Lancos, Chris Reynish, Kyle Stewart, Jack Watson, Jamie Williams, Andy Toronto FC Boyens, Andrew Attakora-Gyan, Nana Braz, Adam Canizalez, Maycoll Djekanovic, Srdjan Gala, Gabe Guzman, David Hemming, Tyler Lombardo, Andrea Lumley, Stephen Melo, Joey Nunez, Cristian Pozniak, Chris Reda, Marco Stamatopolus, Kenny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Man, I thought GG looked good the times he came on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Mo is an idiot. Thats all I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 I made another mistake - it looks like Sutton was protected, so that makes two Canucks protected for TFC, one each for Dallas, LA and Houston. Could see Onstad going back to San Jose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Jamit Mo is an idiot. Thats all I have to say. Why? It's not like any of these players are untouchables. Besides, they'd count as SI's for San Jose...well, the development kids would count as YI's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Man, I thought GG looked good the times he came on. He did, but I think all the dev. roster players were left available. Each team can only lose one player at max. There are rumours that the YI will be changed to a regular international spot, which means that if I'm Yallop I'm more likely to take Poz than anyone off the dev. roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Why? It's not like any of these players are untouchables. Besides, they'd count as SI's for San Jose...well, the development kids would count as YI's. According to today thescore.ca footy podcast, the rumours are that MLS is doing away with the YI distinction & just making them all internationals. The only huge problem I have with Mo's choices is protecting Marshall ahead of Poz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 This means that the 11 protected players are: Brennan, Sutton, O'Brien, Robinson, Wynne, Edu, Cunningham, Samuel, Marhsall (ugh!), Dunivant and Dichio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 If i'm San Jose i'm thinking i can add a handful of decent players. I'd snag the following to help build my team (not to trade away a la Mo) Ramon Nunez (Chivas) Josh Gros (DC) Zach Wells (Hou) Jose Burciaga (KC) Andy Dorman (NE) Clarence Goodson (FCD) and maybe even.. Jason Garey (Columbus) Sinisa Ubiparipovic (NY) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nazzer Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I thought that developmental players didn't need to be protected because they aren;t allowed to be picked? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca According to today thescore.ca footy podcast, the rumours are that MLS is doing away with the YI distinction & just making them all internationals. Really? I hope they're eliminating the slots then and not adding those 3 slots to make 7 spots for internationals... I assume not enough of the young foreign players were having much of an impact...which means the league as a whole will likely be relying on older, established pros to import over then. And what do we do now that Wynne and Edu will give us 6 SI's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nazzer I thought that developmental players didn't need to be protected because they aren;t allowed to be picked? From what i've been told they can pick DEV players, but if they do then they have to keep the player on the Senior roster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 He protected Marshal. How old is this guy now? Sixty what? Otherwise, pretty much the list I'd have sent in. Especially if the YI title is dropped. If that catagory is forsaken in the interest of expanding the number of full internationals that's pretty dramatic. Yup. Would have switched up Marshal for Poz and maybe left O'Brien dangling as he could well be damaged goods at his point and is salary heavy. TFCs medical staff would know better than I though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 All the SYI spots will become SI spots & each team will be able to field 7 SI players - except TFC who would get to field 10 (because they are allowed 3 extra American players). Notice that LA, while leaving Harmse unprotected, left some pretty big names exposed. They preferred to keep Ante Jazic over Abel Xavier at the back, and after having seen them both play this summer, I don't blame them one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca All the SYI spots will become SI spots & each team will be able to field 7 SI players - except TFC who would get to field 10 (because they are allowed 3 extra American players). Notice that LA, while leaving Harmse unprotected, left some pretty big names exposed. They preferred to keep Ante Jazic over Abel Xavier at the back, and after having seen them both play this summer, I don't blame them one bit. Allowing 7 internationals is a HUGE mistake. Garber is setting back American player development by atleast a decade. And TFC able to field 10 SI's? Is that a frickin' joke?!? NASL here we come... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Allowing 7 internationals is a HUGE mistake. Garber is setting back American player development by atleast a decade. And TFC able to field 10 SI's? Is that a frickin' joke?!? NASL here we come... I don't think it's quite as bad as you're making it out to be. The quality of the game is important when selling the product. I don't think as many people would be interested in the league if we saw a serious drop in the level of play. Beyond that teams are not falling all over themselves to sign foreign talent when their are american players available. The pipeline seems to be open, players who have the talent will still be in the league. They will also be subject to better competition because if the clubs do their homework the 11 internationals should be the best value for the money. Personally i'd say the more competitive environment with less total players with yield better development results than the more players, less quality arangement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted November 20, 2007 Author Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Allowing 7 internationals is a HUGE mistake. Garber is setting back American player development by atleast a decade. And TFC able to field 10 SI's? Is that a frickin' joke?!? NASL here we come... Well it hasn't been confirmed yet. Although keep in mind TFC can already field up to 10 internationals on the field right now, so I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference if that becomes a reality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca This means that the 11 protected players are: Brennan, Sutton, O'Brien, Robinson, Wynne, Edu, Cunningham, Samuel, Marhsall (ugh!), Dunivant and Dichio. That's scary. Marshall, an out-of-shape Samuel, and often-injured Cunningham (who I like, but still injury-prone) & Dichio. I could see Crazy Mo's strategy for exposing his young Canadians, but I have my doubts about his talent-scouting holiday to Brazil. I just hope he spends the money on proven Canucks in Europe (Radzinski, Gerba, Stalteri) or even unproven ones (Rayner, etc.) rather than older (and pricer) but out-of-shape players who will have minimal or no impact. The current protected 11 are the main ones responsible for the last-place finish. I have doubts about Mo's player selection abilities, and hope he can prove us wrong next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSwede Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by redhat That's scary. Marshall, an out-of-shape Samuel, and often-injured Cunningham (who I like, but still injury-prone) & Dichio. I could see Crazy Mo's strategy for exposing his young Canadians, but I have my doubts about his talent-scouting holiday to Brazil. I just hope he spends the money on proven Canucks in Europe (Radzinski, Gerba, Stalteri) or even unproven ones (Rayner, etc.) rather than older (and pricer) but out-of-shape players who will have minimal or no impact. The current protected 11 are the main ones responsible for the last-place finish. I have doubts about Mo's player selection abilities, and hope he can prove us wrong next season. Gerba would have been a better pick than Samuels. Gerba impressed during the gold cup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Well it hasn't been confirmed yet. Although keep in mind TFC can already field up to 10 internationals on the field right now, so I'm not seeing a whole lot of difference if that becomes a reality. Technically we can have 13 internationals for the next 2 seasons with the trade with Colorado taken into consideration. 4+3+5+1...anyways, i'm just not liking the way this is going... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 I think TFC exposed motly canadian players because they will take international spots on every other MLS team and none of them are worth it unless someone wants to take a chance on one or two of the younger guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 Allowing 7 internationals is a HUGE mistake. Garber is setting back American player development by atleast a decade. I'm pretty sure he's doing this to set the league up for the wave of expansion that's about to hit. TFC, San Jose, Seattle, plus 3 of Philly, St. Louis, Vegas, Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, Miami, Phoenix and New York - all within a 5 year span - is pretty taxing on the thin North American player pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Rudi I'm pretty sure he's doing this to set the league up for the wave of expansion that's about to hit. TFC, San Jose, Seattle, plus 3 of Philly, St. Louis, Vegas, Montreal, Portland, Vancouver, Miami, Phoenix and New York - all within a 5 year span - is pretty taxing on the thin North American player pool. And it depends on where the salary cap climbs to. Wouldn't matter if you could field 100 internationals, if you can't afford it you can't afford it. Opens up opportunities for Canadian fringe players to not be held back by SI limits when trying to get on with American clubs. Not to mention the wave of lesser international talents willing to give MLS a try for a year or two in an effort to get their careers "back on track". Maybe not a bad move the more I think about it. So long as the salary cap doesn't rocket up too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca All the SYI spots will become SI spots & each team will be able to field 7 SI players - except TFC who would get to field 10 (because they are allowed 3 extra American players). Notice that LA, while leaving Harmse unprotected, left some pretty big names exposed. They preferred to keep Ante Jazic over Abel Xavier at the back, and after having seen them both play this summer, I don't blame them one bit. Who would take Xavier? Specifically, who could afford his salary? As far as the other players. Perhaps Sutton didn't need to be protected and probably wasn't allowed to be left unprotected either. Common sence makes me doubt that any kind of league rule in this matter ( ie.: dispersal draft) would allow a team to leave a player unprotected who has an injury that put his career in question. Without looking at the rules, I would assume that the earlier point raised is correct that if someone picks up a youth player, then he would have to lose his designation with a new team. Given their age in relation to their counterparts on other reserve squads, they would be a huge risk for any expnasion squad to take a flier on. GG may have looked great from what we have seen but given his age, he might be more than a year away. I tend to view this list more from a strategic angle as opposed to an assessment of the Canadian talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Big deal that he left so many Cdns unexposed. I'd be flabbergasted if any TFC player is picked. Only 10 players can be picked and there is a lot of quality out there left unprotected by the other teams. Can't say the same about TFC's unprotected list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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