amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by SCF08 Excellent half..?? I thinks it's very poor quality and boring. ... Well , they are still playing with one striker. They are bloody 0-1 behind and the only thing they need to worry about is scoring 2 goals in 40 mins. And then they are playing 4-5-1 with a Left midfielder/winger as a striker that couldnt a create a single chance from open play in the earlier 50 mins. Put 2 goalscoring real strikers on (Miller + Boyd) and switch McFadden to the left with yellow card McCulloch going off. YEAAH 1-1.....How lucky , ugly and miles offside. Typical Scottish...Unbelievable.. Once again I'm left scratching my head as to what match you were watching(?) Poor, ugly, bad managing and boring???? Are you sure you weren't watching the Holland v Luxembourgh match instead?? Scotland weren't miles offside, but more like about 6-8 inches offside. No surprise either that you don't say anything about the Italian second goal being questionable even though that (poor) call was much more clear cut. It was a great match of football. It was a clean match at a high level of quality (apart from the Scottish defending on Toni's goal which was quite horrible, i admit) and very exciting!! Both teams played to win, despite the fact that a draw would've been a decent result for both sides. Not often you can say that in national team football. Anyway, your critisizing of Scotland's approach to the game is truly laughable!! If Scotland doesn't miss the open net or that other glorious chance two minutes earlier, they probably qualify in the toughest group imaginable! Meanwhile, Scotland's coach is being praised by everyone and is now rumoured to be heading to a big promotion (to the Premiership most likely). But I guess McLeish is clueless, yeah? [)] PS... How did the great Guss Hiddink do against Israel?? What a choke!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 For all the odd officiating Scotland had a couple of chances to go ahead and didn't. They had Italy on the ropes for a good spell of the 2nd half and that was odvious. That's football. A damned shame from my prospective but there it is. Scotland stay home next summer. The part that kills me on that final free kick is man, if you're going to award a foul 15 yard from the closest post in a means everything match with the combatants tied you better be damned sure about that foul. That's a horrible spot to try to defend from and I still see no justification for awarding a FK to Italy on the play. At that point in the match, when worse has been played through all match long, you don't call a foul against the defending team a minute from time. I don't know about the officiating. I'm usually pretty easy going on the linesmen. They've got an impossible job as far as I see it and will forgive them the odd close call here or there. They're usually 30+ yards from the ball making life & death decisions during the fastest part of the match, it's a horrible position to be in and they still get it more right than wrong. But the ref's. That's another story. Getting to the point where they're reminding me of NHL refs. Trying to add drama and rhythm to the game instead of rolling with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 P.S. Northern Ireland and England can still qualify. Wouldn't that be something? Thought England were dead and buried for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Wasn't it actually the linesman who made that awful call though? It's the worst call I can remember seeing since the 2002 World Cup!! A clear foul on Italy and he calls it the other way in a part of the field where you usually give the defender the benefit of the doubt! Doesn't get much worse than that. Anyway, I hope France creams the Ukraine. IT would be heart-breaking to think that horrendous call was the difference in not qualifying! Yeah, Northern Ireland still alive although they really needed Spain to lose (or draw) to Sweden. Now it is out of their hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Cheeta For all the odd officiating Scotland had a couple of chances to go ahead and didn't. They had Italy on the ropes for a good spell of the 2nd half and that was odvious. That's football. A damned shame from my prospective but there it is. Scotland stay home next summer. The part that kills me on that final free kick is man, if you're going to award a foul 15 yard from the closest post in a means everything match with the combatants tied you better be damned sure about that foul. That's a horrible spot to try to defend from and I still see no justification for awarding a FK to Italy on the play. At that point in the match, when worse has been played through all match long, you don't call a foul against the defending team a minute from time. I don't know about the officiating. I'm usually pretty easy going on the linesmen. They've got an impossible job as far as I see it and will forgive them the odd close call here or there. They're usually 30+ yards from the ball making life & death decisions during the fastest part of the match, it's a horrible position to be in and they still get it more right than wrong. But the ref's. That's another story. Getting to the point where they're reminding me of NHL refs. Trying to add drama and rhythm to the game instead of rolling with it. I can live with the Scotland goal being allowed, very tough call. But Italy's goal being refused was a joke, no way you can make that call. BTW, it's the linesman who called the foul at the end. IMO, Scotland were a bit lucky to be level at the end. Of course they didn't deserved to be scored like that on a controversial FK but they deserved to be 2-0 down at the half because 2 good goals were scored. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by loyola IMO, Scotland were a bit lucky to be level at the end. Of course they didn't deserved to be scored like that on a controversial FK but they deserved to be 2-0 down at the half because 2 good goals were scored. Two goals were scored, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be down 2 goals after what was a pretty even first half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Two goals were scored, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be down 2 goals after what was a pretty even first half. Well, when you allow 2 goals, shouldn't you be deserving to be 2 goals down? It's not like those goals were the results of refs mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Two goals were scored, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be down 2 goals after what was a pretty even first half. Well, when you allow 2 goals, shouldn't you be deserving to be 2 goals down? It's not like those goals were the results of refs mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by loyola Well, when you allow 2 goals, shouldn't you be deserving to be 2 goals down? It's not like those goals were the results of refs mistakes. Well, luck also plays a role. Like Liverpool were lucky to draw Arsenal a couple weeks ago, even though the goal they scored was perfectly legitimate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 Ok, Scotland were unlucky to conceed two goals after poor defending. They were playing Italy, not the Faroes, they should know that world class team will make them pay for those mistakes, it's not a question of luck. Scotland played pretty well, but they should've been 2 down at the half and were lucky it was only 1-0, thanks to the linesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by loyola Ok, Scotland were unlucky to conceed two goals after poor defending. They were playing Italy, not the Faroes, they should know that world class team will make them pay for those mistakes, it's not a question of luck. Except the disallowed Italy goal wasn't really from poor defending or world class attacking. It was a scrappy goal, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 But it was a goal nonetheless, that should have counted and had Italy up 2-0. Sorry, any Scottish complaints are falling on my deaf ears...and this is coming from someone who doesn't care for the Italians and has a Scottish grandpa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 19, 2007 Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jpg75 But it was a goal nonetheless, that should have counted and had Italy up 2-0. Sorry, any Scottish complaints are falling on my deaf ears...and this is coming from someone who doesn't care for the Italians and has a Scottish grandpa. True! But you know how sometimes you'll be watching a match and the commentator will say something like "This match isn't indicative of the scoreline". ? Well, that would've been a perfectly apt statement to make at halftime of this match had it in fact been 2-nil for Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted November 19, 2007 Author Share Posted November 19, 2007 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Wasn't it actually the linesman who made that awful call though? Though I saw the linesman waving for an Italian throw in but could be wrong. Either way it doesn't matter. There is only one official with a whistle out there and it's the ref. Linesmen are overruled or ignored constantly. The ref's responsible for making the decision when or when not to overrule the linesmen's "suggestions". Good luck, bad luck, whatever. I think the a draw would have been a far fairer result and I was under the distinct impression the Italians would have been very, very, happy to come out of Hampden with a point up until "the call". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 Still talking about the refs in that game? Boring. I am convinced that most of you actually can't stand the game. The refs, who cares? My Scottish workmate had one explanation for everything: losing in Georgia. Sensible fellow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. My Scottish workmate had one explanation for everything: losing in Georgia. Sensible fellow. Even if Scotland had won in Georgia they probably still wouldn't have qualified. So that obviously isn't the one explanation, however comforting it might be to say that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted November 20, 2007 Share Posted November 20, 2007 quote:Originally posted by amacpher Even if Scotland had won in Georgia they probably still wouldn't have qualified. So that obviously isn't the one explanation, however comforting it might be to say that. Three points more and Scotland probably would not have qualified? Well then, no reason to be talking for pages about this game either. Doesn't make a bit of difference for them that they lost, like in Georgia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted November 21, 2007 Share Posted November 21, 2007 The thing is, it was always gonna come down to the Scotland-Italy match. 3 points v Italy, 0 pts v Georgia == qualification 0 points v Italy, 3 pts v Georgia == focus on World Cup qualification Brutal group though! Italy: toughest team from pot #1 France: toughest team (by far) from pot #2 Ukraine: one of the top 2 toughest teams from pot #3 Georgia: one of the top 2 toughest teams from pot #5 [] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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