Robert Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Robert 762 Posts Posted - 01/15/2007 : 19:29:47 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Prediction: Career ending injury in his first game. Adios MLS. Anybody miss me. Not much to yap about since I helped get the ball rolling on K.P. execution. Okay, maybe it wasn't his first game, but the guy sure is injury prone and a piss poor investment if a team nobody really cares for has to play a ton of exhibition matches to try and pay off the dumbest soccer contract ever offered. Was great though that Vancouver didn't even have to join the MLS or weasel a stadium out of the federal Canadian government to become the first Canadian city where this over the hill starlet played of a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Who is this about? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 A certain English bloke who spurned Robert's suggestion of a menage a trois with a former CSA CEO. Brit to Robert "I have a wife with fake boobs and all you are offering me is some Pipe"! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 15, 2007 Author Share Posted November 15, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly A certain English bloke who spurned Robert's suggestion of a menage a trois with a former CSA CEO. Brit to Robert "I have a wife with fake boobs and all you are offering me is some Pipe"! I'll spring for a key of crack cocaine, sounds like she might be fun for a weekend. After that the little spice-girl's all yours again. Come on Guus. A win on Saturday and the World's biggest whiners can do a "Hand of God" encore![}] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 15, 2007 Share Posted November 15, 2007 Yeah, what a piss poor investment. Beckham's arrival brought nothing to the league. Nothing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 22, 2007 Author Share Posted November 22, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Yeah, what a piss poor investment. Beckham's arrival brought nothing to the league. Nothing at all. How many matches, or number of minutes did he play? How many goals did he score, or set up? I guess if you measure success in jersey sales and and number of tickets sold it might be considered a worth while investment this year, but will those people who bought tickets be so anxious to do so again next year when Beckham visits their city? Or how many of those who bought a Galaxy jersey with his name and number on it do so again next year, after some Rodeo Drive designer comes up with the latest fashion design for soccer jerseys? I guess time will tell, although the trill or frill has already already worn-off and he's not getting any younger or better now, is he? If he hasn't earned his $50M this year, do you really think that will change over the next four years? New fans will not see him at the Euro next year, and what are the chances that he will lead England to South Africa in 2010? I don't think I'd want to be Alexi Lalas at the next Galaxi AGM. I'm glad I didn't waste my money when he came to Vancouver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 **sigh** not that I blame you for being misled by some convenient spin by the media, but MLS is not paying Beckham 50 Mil a season. His MLS salary is less than ten million dollars, the vast majority of that 50M figure is sponsorship dollars from companies like Pepsi and Adidas who offered him extra cash to come to America because of the commercial potential. MLS hasn’t exactly bet the house on his success because the sponsors are footing the majority of the bill. As much as I hate to say it, with Beckham on the team LA goes from dinky MLS team to global brand, which was the point of signing him. Very good deal for MLS and LA in my books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Beckham's LA Galaxative jersey is the number one seller worldwide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Ault Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Ed Beckham's LA Galaxative jersey is the number one seller worldwide. and that my friends is good business maybe not good football but definitely good business. MLS did well by this deal so far, if there is an eventual backlash IMO it won't make a dent on the rise in profile the league and the Galaxy got from the signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Beckham's annual salary from MLS as published at the time of his signing is US$5 million. The US$250 million number bandied about in the media is a nebulous high end estimate of what he might be able to make if all the stars and planets align. The media loved it as evidenced by how frequently it was quoted. Long before the end of the 2007 season the LA Galaxy stated publicly that nett profit to the club attributable directly to his signing was at that stage already well over US$7 million and he'd only been with them a matter of months. The LA Galaxy and MLS could not have bought the kind of domestic and worldwide publicity they've been getting thanks to Beckham with any amount of money. In my book that's a good deal any way you look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpenza Posted November 22, 2007 Share Posted November 22, 2007 Pre-Beckham : only a few hardcore football fans outside the US knew about MLS. Post-Beckham : The world knows about MLS. That's the bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 28, 2007 Author Share Posted November 28, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Mpenza Pre-Beckham : only a few hardcore football fans outside the US knew about MLS. Post-Beckham : The world knows about MLS. That's the bottom line. What exactly does the world know about the MLS? That it exists? That Beckham plays for the Galaxy? Does Beckham give the MLS a level of international credibility it didn't enjoy before he signed? Is there more to Beckham's signing than the media-hyped spin of his salary? If so, what has that been? What is the best possible legacy that Beckham can leave the MLS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EZmac Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Robert What is the best possible legacy that Beckham can leave the MLS? A bunch of #23 jerseys and some discarded tape from his busted ankle! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mpenza Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Well it sure put the MLS on TV in Europe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Robert What exactly does the world know about the MLS? That it exists? That Beckham plays for the Galaxy? Does Beckham give the MLS a level of international credibility it didn't enjoy before he signed? Is there more to Beckham's signing than the media-hyped spin of his salary? If so, what has that been? What is the best possible legacy that Beckham can leave the MLS? I don't know what you're looking for but Beckham has made the Galaxy a money making machine. He's bringing in TV revenue, appearance fees for the club, and more jersey sales than anyone else in the world. Being a guy who made a boat load of money for the league sounds like a pretty good legacy to me. Believe it or not simple facts like knowing the MLS exists and that he plays for the Galaxy are important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 Some people complain that MLS has no international profile and when it finally receives international attention they still complain because its for the 'wrong reasons'. I guess it just confirms that you can't please all the people all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted November 28, 2007 Share Posted November 28, 2007 I'm unclear here. Are we hating on the player or hating on the hype? The hype means people will talk more about Beckham and soccer. If you're on this board don't you enjoy talking about soccer? If the league can afford to bring a good player or two in slowly without becoming the NASL overnight, why is this bad? Whether you hate Beckham or not anyone has to admit he's 1) Better than most MLS players so worth watching and 2) A good spokesperson for the league. Hate on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted November 29, 2007 Author Share Posted November 29, 2007 quote:Originally posted by ag futbol I don't know what you're looking for but Beckham has made the Galaxy a money making machine. He's bringing in TV revenue, appearance fees for the club, and more jersey sales than anyone else in the world. Being a guy who made a boat load of money for the league sounds like a pretty good legacy to me. Believe it or not simple facts like knowing the MLS exists and that he plays for the Galaxy are important. I have nothing against the guy because I don't even know him. But it's the concept that is being pushed onto the public, which is that he's good for soccer on this side of the pond, that I really question. You say he makes a boat load of money for the league. Well, how much of that money has gone to the Toronto franchise, or any other club in the league for that matter? However, it is a fact he makes a poopload of money for the companies that are in the business of selling shirts and whatever other products he's used for to sell. Those are just a bunch of rich dudes making more money. Do they re-invest those profits back into the product of "North American soccer?" I haven't seen any evidence of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted November 29, 2007 Share Posted November 29, 2007 Well, if a professional team can be a success financially and gain international recognition then it is good for the game locally, even if that team's onfield performance is not great - the Toronto Maple Leafs are a prime example. Beckham's arrival has already gained the league and north American soccer more publicity than they could have bought with any amount of cash. I don't see any problem with that. I say more strength to David Beckham, the LA Galaxy and MLS, well done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted November 30, 2007 Share Posted November 30, 2007 Teams profit from massive ticket sales when he arrives in their stadium. Isn't that free money for them courtesy of MLS? Hell even the Whitecaps are profiting from him, surely they got a cut of the umpteen tickets his appearance at BC Place sold. Beckham certainly seems better than no Beckham in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
themodelcitizen Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Personally I feel it's as simple as this. Watching Beckham at Real at the tail end of last season, he was easily one of the best right wingers in the world. On form, he's worth AT LEAST one assist per game -- look at the World Cup, he had an assist in each of the first round matches (one caused an own goal) and scored against Ecuador, then was injured against Portugal. With Real he had a similar ratio in the second half of the campaign. I couldn't believe that player was going to come to MLS -- albeit for a bucketload of money, which the league has already made back in jersey/ticket sales and increased awareness. Bottom line is, BECKHAM plays in the MLS, and it hasn't gone broke as a result. I really can't see the problem there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 Beckham has been overrated for most of his career but the pendulum has swung and now he is probably one of the most underrated players. He has always been a player capable of being a good decent player on a top team in a top league. On the other hand he has never been the type of dominant international level player like Zidane. I think his recent England performance really proved that he can still be a good top level player but I don't think he has ever belonged to that class of player considered legendary or great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 115,000 tickets sold in total for two games in Australia and New Zealand, 48,000 sold at BC Place plus all the other games with higher than ever before ticket sales.... all because David Beckham was on the roster. There is only one conclusion can be drawn from those kinds of numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard 115,000 tickets sold in total for two games in Australia and New Zealand, 48,000 sold at BC Place plus all the other games with higher than ever before ticket sales.... all because David Beckham was on the roster. There is only one conclusion can be drawn from those kinds of numbers. That Beckham draws. Doesn't say anything about MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted December 3, 2007 Share Posted December 3, 2007 As of right now Beckham is part of MLS, just like Michael Jordan was part of the NBA and Tiger Woods is a part of Golf. When these guys leave / have left it will impact the sport, but there are still more fans and money left behind than if they hadn't been part of the picture. quote:Originally posted by Robert I have nothing against the guy because I don't even know him. But it's the concept that is being pushed onto the public, which is that he's good for soccer on this side of the pond, that I really question. You say he makes a boat load of money for the league. Well, how much of that money has gone to the Toronto franchise, or any other club in the league for that matter? However, it is a fact he makes a poopload of money for the companies that are in the business of selling shirts and whatever other products he's used for to sell. Those are just a bunch of rich dudes making more money. Do they re-invest those profits back into the product of "North American soccer?" I haven't seen any evidence of that. I can understand your skeptical about the sincerity of this approach, and i agree I'm not thrilled over it at all, but it is going over huge. Regarding the money that's going to be made for other clubs. The league operates as a single entity, what that entails it's hard to tell but everything suggests that at least a portion of revenue streams like merchandise go into a central fund to even things out amongst other teams. What they do with that extra money (whether it's take it and run or reinvest) is up to the owners. However, it would be really odd to see them skimp on investment. Much more value can be created from establishing a solid franchise as opposed to running away with the cash flow it creates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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