ontariosoccer Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Can anyone explain to me how they expect nothing to happen at this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 By playing it over two legs on both Saturday and Sunday with only one set of fans allowed to be there each time is the rumour. They did that during the regular season games apparently. There are ways to solve these kinds of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Jesus, I am a bit embarassed to be Canadian when I hear things like this. I mean, c'mon leve your European-style hooliganism at home and come out and cheer on Canadian sports enthusiastically, but still like gentlemen. Forced segregation?? For a glorified beer league?? A damn shame to be happening, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Just got word from a memeber of the CSL front office. There will be a two game series. Expect the PR to be out soon. I did not get any venue or times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrossoccer Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 the game sat. is at 5 the game sun. is at 3 both at Esther Shiner. Croatian fans are allowed for the sat. and Serbian for the sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 The following is posted on the Serbian White Eagles site: President Doug Bakoc of the Serbian White Eagles Football Club was present at an important meeting today, October 22, 2007, at the CSL’s head office along with CSL Commissioner Gary Kaplan, CSL Executive Director Stan Adamson, CSL Managers Brendan and Mike, Pino Jazbec of Toronto Croatia, Wayne of Metropolitan Security and the General Manager of the North York Astros Bruno Ierullo. It has been decided that the final – of the CSL’s 2007 Playoffs between our Serbian White Eagles and Toronto Croatia – will consist of two matches. The first match will be played on Saturday October 27th, 2007 at 5:00 PM and will be viewed only by the supporters of Toronto Croatia. The second match will be played on Sunday October 28th, 2007 at 4:00 PM and will be viewed only by us, the supporters of our Serbian White Eagles. The team with the most points at the end of the two matches will be crowned CSL Playoff Champion, if the teams are deadlocked at points after the two matches, goal differential will be counted. If after goal differential is put into account, the score is still tied, extra time will commence employing the “silver goal” rule (this only applies to the second match), followed by penalty kicks if necessary. Both matches will be played at the Esther Shiner Stadium in North York. Our Serbian White Eagles will play the first match in blue unforms, and the second match in white uniforms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 This is pathetic and an total embarrassment to all Canadians. Why do these people emigrate to Canada if not to leave all the nastiness, bitterness and inter-ethnic violence of their homeland behind and build a whole new life as peaceful Canadians. Don't import your European hatreds, prejudices and hooliganism to this country and act it all out at soccer games, we don't need it. This totally vindicates my strong and expressed objection to the CSL not only tolerating this kind of behaviour but facilitating, encouraging and crassly exploiting ethnic based teams that give rise to it. This is a regional, domestic Canadian league for pity's sake, not international football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 richard..if the CSL is creating this big of a buzz around the soccer community in canada for the final..they must be doing something right. the bottom line is that after these two sold out games...money will be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Hamiltonfan, there is no 'big of a buzz' around the soccer community outside those fun-filled community halls where the Balkan sects relive their glorious military feats. There is admittedly maybe a 'little buzz' over how f*ing bush the CSL is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ontariosoccer Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 IMO, this completely kills the game. Although yes it will prevent fan violence it is still somehow seems like a ridiculous solution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 sad sad sad...absolutely pathetic in fact...back to the dark ages Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aresnal FC Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Toronto FC and its greedy owners are the ones to blame here. Why couldnt they offer up BMO Field and help out the local soccer community, instead they'd let them use the field for $80,000 plus have the CSL pick-up all the security costs! Sadly, there is no other soccer stadium in Toronto that has the capacity to hold such a match for both sets of fans. Based on the regular season games you could expect a crowd of at least 5,000, but consdiering its the finals that number would be even higher. If the game were at BMO, the attraction of the stadium itself could push the attendance up to the 8,000-9,000 range plus it would give the league some publicity for a change. In a stadium that seats 20,000, the crowd could easily be managed. I dont like some of the messages I have read on here either. Some people (nolando, Richard, Ed) seem to think that these people are crazy maniacs. I was at the Croatian-only fans game and there was a group of Serbs, presumbaly people close to their club (managment, workers, etc.) who let out a cheer when their team scored. Did that lead to any fighting or arguing? No! Did anything at all even happen afterwards? No! Everyone was well-behaved. Now if you were to have Croatian and Serbian fans at the game together, im positive there would be some 18 year-olds runnin' around trying to start some sort of a "soccer riot" just using the game to justify being stupid. Playing two games the league not only maximizes profit by not having to pay a lot for security, it eliminates the chance of any of these incidents. It stinks, but its true. These hard-working people and all other immigrants built this country into the great country it is long ago. Just remember that. Thers's nothing pathetic and embarassing about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 A couple random comments.... What exactly are some of you complaining about? I wish people in Ontario were interested in the CSL 10% as much as people in the west are. Toronto FC is making a huge mistake here. I guess they don't want the competition. They are looking at this as half-empty (potential competition), not half-full (player development, reaching more soccer fans, etc.). It's sad. But then again, same people run the Leafs, what do you expect. How will the stadium people know who people are cheering for on the way in? Will people have to take DNA tests? Point is they will still need cops there so nothing happens. This frankly is a bit of a cash grab. They could have sold 8 000 tickets at BMO (if not more). At $15 a ticket that's $120 000. That's enough to cover rent and security. Plus a couple sponsors to cover whatever other costs. Now, they'll probably get 5-6 000 people over the 2 days at $20 = over $100 000 with most of it being profit. I guess that covers the North York Astros budget for the next 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard This totally vindicates my strong and expressed objection to the CSL not only tolerating this kind of behaviour.... Actually no it doesn't. It appears to me more like you wanting to have your cake and eat it too. Refusing to have both sets of fans together is obviously aimed at preventing rather than tolerating trouble and should scare off the people who are not going to be there for soccer reasons. This shows the CSL are serious about doing what is best for soccer. Hopefully, over time as the novelty factor wears off these precautions won't be needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Aresnal FC Toronto FC and its greedy owners are the ones to blame here. Why couldnt they offer up BMO Field and help out the local soccer community, instead they'd let them use the field for $80,000 plus have the CSL pick-up all the security costs! Sadly, there is no other soccer stadium in Toronto that has the capacity to hold such a match for both sets of fans. Based on the regular season games you could expect a crowd of at least 5,000, but consdiering its the finals that number would be even higher. If the game were at BMO, the attraction of the stadium itself could push the attendance up to the 8,000-9,000 range plus it would give the league some publicity for a change. In a stadium that seats 20,000, the crowd could easily be managed. I dont like some of the messages I have read on here either. Some people (nolando, Richard, Ed) seem to think that these people are crazy maniacs. I was at the Croatian-only fans game and there was a group of Serbs, presumbaly people close to their club (managment, workers, etc.) who let out a cheer when their team scored. Did that lead to any fighting or arguing? No! Did anything at all even happen afterwards? No! Everyone was well-behaved. Now if you were to have Croatian and Serbian fans at the game together, im positive there would be some 18 year-olds runnin' around trying to start some sort of a "soccer riot" just using the game to justify being stupid. Playing two games the league not only maximizes profit by not having to pay a lot for security, it eliminates the chance of any of these incidents. It stinks, but its true. These hard-working people and all other immigrants built this country into the great country it is long ago. Just remember that. Thers's nothing pathetic and embarassing about it. There is everything to be embarassed about here. I don't mind if they play a two-leg final (by the way, saying that there is more profit to be made is not the slightest bit related to the question of justififying the forcible separation of the fans), but having to ban away fans from both games is just something right out of a totalitarian state that has lost control of its citizens. In Canada?!? I am not bashing immigrants. I am bashing European-style hooliganism. We don't need it. If they can't sit together and be civil then somebody has to step in (probably the RCMP and maybe te CSA) and cancel the game until they can sit together like proper human beings. Why would MLSE or anybody at BMO field want anything to do with this circus that seems to run off of the fumes of ethnic tension? And risk having a second riot in the stadium in only it's first year of operations? Imagine how that image would go down for soccer in this country. Anybody defending this bunk in my opinion is degrading not only themselves but the entire organized sport in Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 I'll leave the questioning of the decisions of our little league to those in BC and Japan - they apparently have their fingers on the pulse of the issue... Just a note on BMO - it has already begun being fitted for its winter bubble and is unavailable... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by L.T. I'll leave the questioning of the decisions of our little league to those in BC and Japan - they apparently have their fingers on the pulse of the issue... Just a note on BMO - it has already begun being fitted for its winter bubble and is unavailable... LT - Good move...resort to a nonsense reaction. Pray tell, are only Ontarians (perhaps of Croation or Serbian descent) allowed to comment on a very black-and-white topic like that of the CSL banning away fans from attending games? Come on, you are generally a very well-reasoned poster -I'm sure you can do better than that. I'm Canadian and I'm embarassed. It wouldn't matter if it's happening in Gimli or Hay River or the middle of nowhere. The fact that it's happening in Canada, and especially in a league that calls itself a Canadian league makes Canadian soccer fans everywhere "worthy" of commenting on the subject, thank you very much. Do you have anything intelligent to add, or are you going to be another of those guys who likes to put down the posters from the farthest flung places, the very ones who have to go the most trouble to keep up to date and informed about the Canadian sport that we all love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hamiltonfan Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Ed Hamiltonfan, there is no 'big of a buzz' around the soccer community outside those fun-filled community halls where the Balkan sects relive their glorious military feats. There is admittedly maybe a 'little buzz' over how f*ing bush the CSL is. Ed, im not sure if you really have an idea of what you are talking about. I believe it would be best to see the CSL produce live and then judge. There is a big buzz over this game in Southern Ontario. Look on the TFC support group forums, many of them are planning to attend and are really excited about the game. Also, I have a brother and many soccer crazy fans in Hamilton all saying they are going to the game. I have spoken with a member of the Astro's front office and he told that me are working on having the two games televised via the internet as well as GoalTv has agreed to re show it at a later date. Also expect for there to me alot of media compare to other CSL and semi-pro games in other parts of the country to be at the matchs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Yeah right, all waiting for the inter-ethnic hooliganism to break out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard Yeah right, all waiting for the inter-ethnic hooliganism to break out. How so if there is only going to be one set of fans at each game? Why do you find it so hard to believe that people could be going along so they can watch the title decider between southern Ontario's top two semi-pro sides now that there are no TFC games for them to watch? I know for a fact that quite a few people from the Red Patch Boys will be going. We've been offered a ticket deal and our own section at the game by all accounts. Think it's much the same with U-Sector where the ticket deal is concerned and on interest in attending but haven't checked their board in the last few days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Didn't these two teams play each other in the regular season? If they did, what happened? If there is a rivalry and possible risk involved with fans, then welcome to the world of soccer. Big frigging deal. Such rivalries exist all over the world, matches are declared high risk all over the world, and the authorities tend to deal with such matches by taking basic measures, together with the clubs themselves. Maybe one measure is making it a two game final. Though that does favour the Serbs as they play the 2nd leg in front of their fans, and get the extra time period too in case of a draw, also in their benefit. Any reason for that decision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 How can we, in Canada, be complaining about a soccer game that is attracting too many fans? Soccer is a tribal game... travel to and 2nd/3rd division derbies around the world and the same situation would arise. The only difference is that they would be used to it and ready to handle it (with security, separate stands, etc). Here, if more than 50 people show up for a game we don't know what to do with them. I was speaking to the North York Astros (another CSL team) coach last night and he finds all this hand wringing laughable. He left Canada about 15 years ago to get some REAL world coaching instruction and experience. He came back a few years ago because this is his home. He's a young, intelligent guy that has seen a lot of soccer outside our little kind & gentle country. He believes this game is what soccer is all about - two sets of passionate fans sitting on the edge of control, willing their team to victory. This is what he saw in the stadiums everywhere he went. If we really want to be part of the global village that is soccer, we need to accept that. Soccer is not an antiseptic and artificial enviroment with cheerleaders and scoreboards telling us when to cheer. It is two teams representing two groups (whether they be nations, neighbouring cities, religions or ethnic backgrounds) battling for the honour of victory. The fans are an extension of the team, not whatever group of people the marketing department were able to sucker into showing up with discounted tickets or free t-shirts. We need to embrace the passion that makes soccer such a wonderful game and learn how to deal with the 1% that is unfavourable. We can't throw out the baby with the bath water. Jeffrey - I believe the Serbs finished higher in the standings, which is why I think they were given the second game... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astrossoccer Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 That is why the Serbians get the second game. Also this whole thing is because we did it during the reagualr season spliting the fans and everything ran smothly. Everyone is so concerned about everything but the soccer which is what reall matters. The development of the game, how far do you think this league would get if we had riots and couldn't play in the GTA anymore, or had someone bad hurt. Everyone is forgetting our goal as a underdeveloped soccer nation is to creat tallent and new oppertunities for Canadian soccer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard How so if there is only going to be one set of fans at each game? Why do you find it so hard to believe that people could be going along so they can watch the title decider between southern Ontario's top two semi-pro sides now that there are no TFC games for them to watch? I know for a fact that quite a few people from the Red Patch Boys will be going. We've been offered a ticket deal and our own section at the game by all accounts. Think it's much the same with U-Sector where the ticket deal is concerned and on interest in attending but haven't checked their board in the last few days. Then why do the league and the clubs believe it is necessary to restrict who can attend each game on ethnic grounds. I suggest that is contrary to Canadian law as well as a disgusting reflection of fan behaviour and lack of self-disipline. This whole situation is appalling and embarassing to every Canadian - or should be. The CSL ought to be utterly ashamed of itself for promoting and exploiting this kind of imported fan hooliganism. Enthusiastic support for one's team sure but this is truly beyond the pale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aresnal FC Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 There's two games because there's no stadium big enough to hold both sets of fans!!! Esther Shiner stadium holds only 3,000, they need something at least double that. They tried to have it at BMO Field, showing you that they wanted to have a single game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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