bungey Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Asmir Begovic's loan to Bournmouth has ended and he has returned to Portsmouth. As noted on this board he eventually lost his starting position after gaffes in two games in a row each cost goals. Hopefully another loan can be arranged for him, he needs consistent first team playing time. Here's the link: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/b/bournemouth/7040054.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 I hope he's loan again, but he must start avoiding those blunders if he wants to keep his starting position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 TFC in the new year?? He must be running out of decent options, despite his age and apparent upswing, with only himself to blame as he seems to play himself out of the odd job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 11, 2007 Share Posted October 11, 2007 Seems prone to blunders, indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nolando TFC in the new year?? He must be running out of decent options, despite his age and apparent upswing, with only himself to blame as he seems to play himself out of the odd job. Where was Lars at age 20? He's got a great career going for himself now, and Asmir could do just as well. Give it time. I don't think he's "run out of options" quite yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jonovision Where was Lars at age 20? He's got a great career going for himself now, and Asmir could do just as well. Give it time. I don't think he's "run out of options" quite yet. I think Lars was playing indoor on the crappy carpet in Southeast Edmonton at age 20. He is still our best prospect, regardless of his critics, who were awarding the starting spot to Sutton a short time ago and saying that Lars' career was done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by jonovision Where was Lars at age 20? He's got a great career going for himself now, and Asmir could do just as well. Give it time. I don't think he's "run out of options" quite yet. If Pat Onstad is proving something and maybe Lars to a lesser extent (since he's still fairly young) as well is that keepers tends to get better with age. So if Asmir gets the mental aspect of his game right he should do fine but it's still worrying to see how he's responding to a bad game. Lars, Kenny and Sutton should still be there for a while, at least 2 of them. So we don't need Asmir or Wagenaar for that matter (which I believe is a better option at this point if healthy) to developp really fast but it would be nice to see a young canadian keeper starting in a big league in the next 4-5 years. That's something we.ve never really had, even with Forrest, and that would give us more confidence at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Still got high hopes for Begovic. Wagenaar never really impressed me in the same way Begovic has at times. That may be down just to having seen Begovic on better days but still, there it is. Both of these young fellows have worn the goat's horns famously at times. Guess that's why experience and maturity is so important for all players. Got to keep a lid on the gaffs though. Might find it's a long time between chances once you've been labeled "dangerous goods". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 Keepers only get better with age--mostly--and I am confident that Begovic will become a real good keeper once he gains confidence and experience. Patience. He is only 20. I've got turds older than him. [:0] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver Keepers only get better with age--mostly--and I am confident that Begovic will become a real good keeper once he gains confidence and experience. Patience. He is only 20. I've got turds older than him. [:0] Not so sure about this argument that all keepers (or even most)get better with age. Lots of players with promise as a youth give up on a professional career altogether in favor of going back to their studies, old promising careers, play beer league in Winnipeg, etc. To suggest that sticking it out is all a guy like this needs to prevail in the long run seems like mighty rosy glasses to me. And for the record, I wasn't saying that TFC was a dead-end option. In fact it might be just the kind of place where he could put in a few years of solid service and then re-launch a career in Europe. I mean, how much lower do you think a guy like this will go, how much lower than say a Bournemouth - who basically laughed him out of town? Any club at the same or higher level than that one won't be touching him with a ten foot pole at the moment, or any time soon. Might be best to try a new country and give it a a few years. If not, it might be time to pack it in. Happens all the time. I hope for the MNT pool it doesnt - but to see a silver lining at the moment for Asmir seems overly optimistic, even for a voyageur. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nolando I mean, how much lower do you think a guy like this will go, how much lower than say a Bournemouth - who basically laughed him out of town? There's Bury, Darlington, Falkirk. All stops made by Kasper Schmeichel before getting his opportunity this season and being recognized as one of the most promising young keepers in the world. Portsmouth won't lose much sleep over this and after a few solid performances with the reserves he'll be out to another club. The guy is 6'5, athletic, with great reflexes. Not too many people is this world with those attributes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonovision Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nolando Might be best to try a new country and give it a a few years. You make a good point here. England has not been a good developing ground for our young players. None of our top players have had long stints in England in their developmental period. De Rosario had his European break in Germany, and matured in MLS. Hutchinson has come of age in Scandinavia. De Guzman, Germany. Ditto Josh Simpson. The only one you might make an argument for is Iain Hume, but he seems to have stalled after showing lots of promise. Edit: I forgot about Hirschfeld, but I question the value of spending a year riding the pine, even in the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted October 12, 2007 Share Posted October 12, 2007 That’s definitely a good point. As a question (not stating as a fact) where does the average player in the premiership start from? IMO it seems like with the influx of foreign players the EPL is looking towards areas outside of England to develop their product or developing high quality players by giving them action in 2nd priority competitions. Makes you wonder what would have been for Simon Jackson or Jamie Peters if they had chose the bigger club, as opposed to the club where they play every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOcanadafan Posted October 20, 2007 Share Posted October 20, 2007 With all the physical tools, Begovic is still a real prospect. Still, it'll be important for him to get constant playing time so he regains his confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 English clubs are under increasing pressure to field English players. Maybe Begovic should try some other country, such as Sweden or Holland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 The trick is, Desigol, that they don't really have to be "English", if the plan is still the same, but actually "home grown". somewhere in the mid teens is where they start, and I believe a player such as Cesc Fabregas actually qualifies under these rules since he came to England just after turning 16. Hence the reason many clubs grabbed a bunch of younger kids with "potential". "More quotation marks here." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Mental strength is something that can be developed as a keeper matures. It is something that is often overlooked in the coaching aspect of things however. The question is, who is the keeper coach at Portsmouth and is he going to work on this with Begovic? Every keeper - indeed every soccer player - is going to blunder at some point. Begovic seems to make a few more than most however, and that is an indication that his mental strength is not what it should be. It is coachable, very coachable, if one decides to make the effort. I don't thinkk that a loan is a good idea. I'd like to see him stay with Portsmouth and work on the mental side of his game withteh reserves and in practice. A loan will only see repitition of pattern IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup The trick is, Desigol, that they don't really have to be "English", if the plan is still the same, but actually "home grown". somewhere in the mid teens is where they start, and I believe a player such as Cesc Fabregas actually qualifies under these rules since he came to England just after turning 16. Hence the reason many clubs grabbed a bunch of younger kids with "potential". "More quotation marks here." Only Cesc is not home grown at all. He was best player in the world u-17s in Finland and was clearly star material before he arrived in England. But sure, he has gotten playing time and has risen to the occasion. It is still an English team robbing talent created elsewhere, and this is a most glaring example (he is 100% in the long tradition of a similar type of player coming out of Barça youth for over 20 years) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 You missed the point of the post, Jeffrey. Under rules proposed, he would qualify as "home grown" because of age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup You missed the point of the post, Jeffrey. Under rules proposed, he would qualify as "home grown" because of age. Thanks, I misunderstood "home grown", thought it was an idea, not a legal principle. "Home grown is a very good thing, plant that bell and let it ring." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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