CoachRich Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Top of the sports news http://www.tsn.ca/soccer/news_story/?ID=218851&hubname= Canadian Press 9/21/2007 12:02:13 PM TORONTO - Fred Nykamp is suing the Canadian Soccer Association over what he claims was wrongful "hiring and firing." The former head of Canada Basketball was announced as the CSA's chief executive officer at a news conference in May. Nykamp was scheduled to start Aug. 1, but never worked a day for the CSA after his appointment was blocked by the organization's board of directors. Nykamp said in a statement that the CSA board recruited him, then fired him, and then claimed it never hired him. The lawsuit comes amid months of internal squabbling within the CSA. Earlier this month, Colin Linford resigned as president of the CSA, claiming a lack of support. Linford chaired the selection committee that hired Nykamp, an Ancaster, Ont., native. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luis_Rancagua Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Wrigth on Nykamp!!!!! Sue their a$$. I support you all the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Betwen our "2M dollar loss" on the U-20 and getting used by Nycamp, chances of a new FA are getting better every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Just out of curiosity what is it of Nykamp that the board didn't like. I mean, the guy seemed to have the right credentials. Maybe he was too expensive. Hey, I would do the job cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 My god the CSA are a farce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Anyone ever heard of someone suing for wrongful hiring? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 What a dog and pony show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I have a strong feeling there is much more to this story than what we are being told by either party. quote:Originally posted by Luis_Rancagua Wrigth on Nykamp!!!!! Sue their a$$. I support you all the way. Keep in mind that if Nykamp sues the CSA and wins (which is possible), that means more funds being siphoneded out of our national team programs. I think the question that needs to be asked is why was Nykamp hired (or announced to the public at least) in the first place. He was not one of the main candidates identified by the search committee. How is that Nykamp was the fall back position? Who did they want to hire but who ultimately did not want the CSA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesW Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I shouldn't be surprised, but I am. The CSA just can't get any positive press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy_Yank Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Anyone ever heard of someone suing for wrongful hiring? You know, being a yank I've heard of numerous weird law suits, but wow. just wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Anyone ever heard of someone suing for wrongful hiring? No, I can't say I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think some of the Basketball Canada people viewed him being hired byt he CSA as "good riddance" but I doubt that has anythign to do with this, seems to be pure incompetence on the CSA's part. I'm sure everyone (Linford/CSA/board) are to blame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saviola7 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I know somebody who's on a few Board of Directors (Hospitals, etc.) and I explained the situation to him a couple of weeks ago when I was in Canada. He told me that the CSA would be at risk of Nykamp suing (esp. since he presumably left his job with Basketball Canada to take this position). The only case the CSA really has is if they found out he's been hiding something (ie, he lied on his CV, he's been connected with some sort of fraud, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ag futbol Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Marc I think some of the Basketball Canada people viewed him being hired byt he CSA as "good riddance" but I doubt that has anythign to do with this, seems to be pure incompetence on the CSA's part. I'm sure everyone (Linford/CSA/board) are to blame. Exactly. Lindford obviously at fault for pushing ahead with the hiring without authorization. The board, for not informing the public of the actual situation. We could have been in deep as a association if Nycamp ever actually started doing things without authorization. We probably would have been bound to anything he did because the CSA willfully misrepresented to the public the actual situation which is why the public should have been informed immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by ag futbol Exactly. Lindford obviously at fault for pushing ahead with the hiring without authorization. The board, for not informing the public of the actual situation. We could have been in deep as a association if Nycamp ever actually started doing things without authorization. We probably would have been bound to anything he did because the CSA willfully misrepresented to the public the actual situation which is why the public should have been informed immediately. Yeah, that's along the lines of what I was thinking. Well put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rujulus Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Take them down, Fred. The CSA must be utterly annihilated in order to build a functional FA in this country. To paraphrase the immortal words of Cato the Elder, "CSA delenda est". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Daniel Anyone ever heard of someone suing for wrongful hiring? Absolutely. It's more common than you think in the world of executives working in niche markets. Wrongful hiring could be something as simple as changing the basis of a position after someone has been presented an offer. Hypothetically if Nykamp was offered complete control of the CSA without consulting the board, and they have now decided that Nykamp answers to the board then the condition of his employment has changed and he has every right to sue for wrongful hiring, even if he is the one that decides not to start the position. Also because Nykamp left his position at Basketball Canada voluntarily with no compensation the onus now is on the CSA to pay his wages from his proposed starting date as well as a reasonable level of compensation as dictated by his contract. If there was no contract signed they probably would refer to whatever compensation he would have received if Basketball Canada fired him. The key is that any promises or any comments made verbally or in writing to entice Nykamp away from Basketball Canada will be completely valid in a court of law. That includes any job description written or outlined during the interview process. Anyways that's how I understand it. Minimum 6 months salary and wages owed back to the proposed starting date. The CSA is very screwed on this. On one hand i'm happy because the whole system needs to be reformed. On the other hand, the only place these funds could probably come would be out of the budgets for our national teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. Bull****. When the building is rotten to the core you bring it down and build a new one. How can the CSA's destruction obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010? Appoint a caretaker and hit the sponsors for bucks to get us through qualifying. We seriously could not do worse than we have the last two WCQ rounds. As for hosting the WWC, who needs further embarrassment as host country? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. Yes. The 2011 WWC host is supposed to be selected in November of this year (6 weeks from today). Is FIFA that unbelievably stupid that they will pick the CSA in the mess it's currently in? Besides, they claim they lost money on the "most successful" WYC ever. Why are they bidding on this then at a time when they are in a complete mess? Reality is Germany and Australia are the favourites for hosting it anyway. Our chances of 2010 qualification are at best 50-50. US and Mexico are locks, so I assume that leaves 1.5 spots for the rest. There is no real reason to believe Canada will be in one of those 1.5 spots. So yes, I would sacrifice 2010 and 2011 (frankly, there ain't much to sacrifice) if it meant long term success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. Richard, the CSA won't get us qualified for the 2010 WC, the players will. An interim organization can easily be established to manage the basic affairs that the CSA would normally be responsible for. If the team makes it to the World Cup, the new FA would be in line for a huge cash windfall thanks to FIFA disbursements. Would you want the CSA, as currently constituted, getting anywhere near the $10 million or so that would be guaranteed to us for qualfying? Furthermore, I honestly dont believe we have any business bidding on the 2011 WWC until I can see the figures related to the U20 WC. If that event lost money, how much will they lose on the WWC. Under no circumstances can I even begin to imagine that a Women's World Cup would turn a profit if the U20 indeed was a money loser. We need to stop being so fearful of the unknown. Look at Australia. If we had a national team program even remotely as good as that one (and it's only been up and running for 3 years in its current form), I would be tickled pink Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JB_Tito Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Richard Beware what you wish for, you may just get it. Bringing the CSA crashing down at this stage would obliterate any chance of qualifying for 2010 or hosting the 2011 WWC, is that what you really want. I am all for orderly change for the good but this kind of precipitous collapse would not be good for anything and be coun terproductive in the extreme. We are trying to get a better future for our young players and our kids, boys world doesn’t end with WC2010.So what if we don't qualify for next WC2010 we missed last 5.If we want change than we should be ready to pay a price for it. If crashing down CSA means no WC2010 but bright future and many WC after I'm all in. WC2010 is not the reason why we want new FA don’t forget that guys. Better National teams, programs, better player development, etc is why we want new FA. SACK the fuc*#ng idiots at CSA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I wonder how many people here who are calling for the obliteration of the CSA and badmouthing everybody associated with the organisation have any real, practical, constructive idea of what to put in its place and how to go about it and are willing to get involved personally to make it happen rather than simply mouthing off, often in an unnecessarily vulgar fashion, in an internet chat forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Richard, they've had decades to screw up before anyone has decided to stand up and do anything about it. There are those of us motivated to work to do something about it but we've only been at it a few weeks. Give us some time and I am quite certain that alternate models will be made public and open for debate. Maybe you, someone clearly with a lot of experience, might want to be part of the process. Or, maybe you like the status quo and like to see $13 million per year frittered away by a board filled with people who lack the qualifications to run that type of business. Because, at the end of the day, this is a business and it's being poorly run, year after year, decade after decade. If that is ok with you, that's fine. You have the right to that opinion. In my world, these people would have been thrown out on their asses a long time ago. What are you, and those who defend the CSA, so afraid of? What is so sacred about the CSA as to justify allowing it to remain intact? Why would you be satisfied with mediocrity? Do we not deserve better. We are not some backwards banana republic here. The name calling might be excessive but people are frustrated. They want better today but more importantly, they demand a better, brighter future for our children. Soccer will be Canada's #2 sport at some point in the next 20 years if the game is developed properly. Everyone likes a winner. Maybe we should start trying to develop winners rather than just qualifiers. I'm tired of "just being happy to be invited to the dance". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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