redhat Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 In light of the importance of this game as a result of the Guadeloupe match, right now in the 2nd half it's still 0-0. Haiti's goalkeeper is making a lot of acrobatic saves to frustrate the Ticos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by redhat In light of the importance of this game as a result of the Guadeloupe match, right now in the 2nd half it's still 0-0. Haiti's goalkeeper is making a lot of acrobatic saves to frustrate the Ticos. I know it is early, and I dont have the will to think about it now, but what would be the ideal result from this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kclee Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Costa Rica should beat Haiti and Gaudeloupe while we should beat Haiti. I believe that will give us first place. Ticos are up 1-0 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by kclee Costa Rica should beat Haiti and Gaudeloupe while we should beat Haiti. I believe that will give us first place. Ticos are up 1-0 now. It is such a shame we never control our fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Splatypus Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Haiti just equalized, I missed the first half but the second has been pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Paddy It is such a shame we never control our fate. Technically speaking, we do control our own fate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDN4EVR Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Game ends 1-1, best result for us really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrennanFan Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 1-1 Final. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpopulistfutebol Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I had a bad feeling about that Guadelope game. Now hopefully Canada can actually win on Monday. i am not feeling good about this after tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPB Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Guadaloupe -- 4 pts Canada -- 3 pts Haiti -- 2 pts Costa Rica -- 1 pt Costa Rica needs to win against Gaudaloupe or they will surely be finished. They need to end with 4 pts or go home. Haiti needs a win against Canada or they will be all but finished. A tie leaves them a dismal 3rd place chance to move against one of the winners of the other two groups. So, if Guadaloupe beats Costa Rica, they end with 7 pts and 1st place. If they tie Costa Rica, they earn 5 pts and either 1st or second place. If they lose to Costa Rica, they end with 4 pts and tie them for first place or second place. If Canada wins against Haiti, they end with 6 pts and either 1st or 2nd place. Tie, they earn 4 pts and could be in a three-way tie for first/second place. Lose, they end with 3 pts and in 3rd or last place. As of tonight, this is the Crazy Group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack Technically speaking, we do control our own fate. I think you know what I am refering to (ie. check out JPB's post). But, if you want to be a pendant, go ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Paddy I think you know what I am refering to (ie. check out JPB's post). But, if you want to be a pendant, go ahead. I don't know what you mean. Unless you just mean you are dissapointed? I hate to be a big nerd about this, but the statement in sport "Controlling your own fate" is pretty simple to understand. And Canada still does control its own fate. If Canada wins, its in. That means it controls its own fate. The only way this statement wouldn't be true, is in a situation where Canada would need to win but have to hope for the results of other games, which isn't the case here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by JPB Guadaloupe -- 4 pts Canada -- 3 pts Haiti -- 2 pts Costa Rica -- 1 pt Costa Rica needs to win against Gaudaloupe or they will surely be finished. They need to end with 4 pts or go home. Haiti needs a win against Canada or they will be all but finished. A tie leaves them a dismal 3rd place chance to move against one of the winners of the other two groups. So, if Guadaloupe beats Costa Rica, they end with 7 pts and 1st place. If they tie Costa Rica, they earn 5 pts and either 1st or second place. If they lose to Costa Rica, they end with 4 pts and tie them for first place or second place. If Canada wins against Haiti, they end with 6 pts and either 1st or 2nd place. Tie, they earn 4 pts and could be in a three-way tie for first/second place. Lose, they end with 3 pts and in 3rd or last place. As of tonight, this is the Crazy Group. I think there are a few more permutations for the group results, but I'm too lazy to list them. Edit: The nerd in me couldn't resist: -CR wins, CAN wins - CAN 6, GUAD 4, CR 4, HAI 2 -CR wins, HAI wins - HAI 5, CR 4, GUAD 4, CAN 3 -CR wins, CAN-HAI tie - CAN 4, CR 4, GUAD 4, HAI 3 -GUAD wins, CAN wins - GUAD 7, CAN 6, HAI 2, CR 1 -GUAD wins, HAI wins - GUAD 7, HAI 5, CAN 3, CR 1 -GUAD wins, CAN-HAI tie - GUAD 7, CAN 4, HAI 3, CR 1 -CR-GUAD tie, CAN wins - CAN 6, GUAD 5, CR 2, HAI 2 -CR-GUAD tie, HAI wins - GUAD 5, HAI 5, CAN 3, CR 2 -CR-GUAD tie, CAN-HAI tie - GUAD 5, CAN 4, HAI 3, CR 2 Yes, I know, I have problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack I don't know what you mean. Unless you just mean you are dissapointed? I hate to be a big nerd about this, but the statement in sport "Controlling your own fate" is pretty simple to understand. And Canada still does control its own fate. If Canada wins, its in. That means it controls its own fate. The only way this statement wouldn't be true, is in a situation where Canada would need to win but have to hope for the results of other games, which isn't the case here. It was more a reflection on past performance and where I fear this one is heading. Unlikely it will result in a coin toss, but wouldn't it have been better if we had just won today and the Haiti game really didn't matter too much. If we tie or lose, who knows what will happen. You have unwavering faith, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
masster Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by CDN4EVR Game ends 1-1, best result for us really. I disagree. Now it is theoretically possible for us to finish 4th in the group. If Haiti would have won, that would not have been the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack -CR wins, CAN-HAI tie - CAN 4, CR 4, GUAD 4, HAI 3 I think that if Costa Rica wins and has a greater goal diff then they win the group. Head to head doesn't count unless all other factors are equal...if memory serves (or was it changed recently...hmm). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Paddy I think that if Costa Rica wins and has a greater goal diff then they win the group. Head to head doesn't count unless all other factors are equal...if memory serves (or was it changed recently...hmm). According to wikipedia, these are the tie-breakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup 1. Greatest total goal difference in the three group matches 2. Greatest number of goals scored in the three group matches 3. If teams remained level after those criteria, a mini-group would be formed from those teams, who would be ranked on: A. Most points earned in matches against other teams in the tie B. Greatest goal difference in matches against other teams in the tie C. Greatest number of goals scored in matches against other teams in the tie Edit: I agree with you Paddy, it would have been so much better/easier had we won today. I understand your frustration, as I feel it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Paddy I think that if Costa Rica wins and has a greater goal diff then they win the group. Head to head doesn't count unless all other factors are equal...if memory serves (or was it changed recently...hmm). According to wikipedia, these are the tie-breakers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_CONCACAF_Gold_Cup 1. Greatest total goal difference in the three group matches 2. Greatest number of goals scored in the three group matches 3. If teams remained level after those criteria, a mini-group would be formed from those teams, who would be ranked on: A. Most points earned in matches against other teams in the tie B. Greatest goal difference in matches against other teams in the tie C. Greatest number of goals scored in matches against other teams in the tie Edit: I agree with you Paddy, it would have been so much better/easier had we won today. I understand your frustration, as I feel it as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cndsoccer Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 if we can't get any points from gaud or hai we are in trouble!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 Haiti was very lucky to get the draw from CR, scoring on one of thier few opportunities. CR had numerous scoring opportunities, but the ball was simply not bouncing their way. Haiti's goalie came up big on a number of occasions, similar to Canada with Guadeloupe. Haiti's defence was wide open. Sometimes only 2 defenders back. Haiti will have a huge home crowd and they will be pushing forward for the victory. They will be exposed at the back. Canada can definetly take 3 points and win the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted June 10, 2007 Author Share Posted June 10, 2007 After the loss, this 1-1 result is the best scenario for us. We win, we're in. First at best, if not second. We tie, then it's based on goals for (assuming there's a tie in the goal differential). I'm sure our leaders (Atiba, Stalteri, De Guzman, and Derosario) will step up and take over. As for the crowd, well, how different is that with the first game where the crowd was pro-Tico? Canada usually thrive as underdogs, not favourites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 quote:Originally posted by JPB As of tonight, this is the Crazy Group. Any group with Canada in it MUST be the Crazy Group. Why do we do this to ourselves? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJB Posted June 10, 2007 Share Posted June 10, 2007 I'm hoping for a coin toss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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