Hutchinson to Bundesliga?

[Bxl Boy]

Summary of the belgian press this morning :

Anderlecht is interested in Atiba Hutchinson, a 24-year-old midfielder from Kopenhagen. He has a Canadian passport and is born in Trinidad.

Hutchinson grew last year to the absolute star of his team. He can play to all midfield positions, runs a lot and is able to score sometimes. Hutchison is thus the box-to-box player wanted by Anderlecht.

But that isn't so easy. AZ, Stuttgart and Bremen also know the Canadian. He's under contract until 2010 and can go for 5 to 6 million euro.

[youllneverwalkalone]

quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack

Romania is that high because 2 of its clubs reached the quarters of the 2005/2006 Uefa Cup. With one of them reaching the semis. With only 3 teams being involved in Europe, and the coefficient being based on the average of points each team gets (essentialy 2 points for a win and 1 point for a tie) in Euro competition, they were ranked quite high that year.

In 06/07, Romania did have a club in the CL Group Stage. But most of its 'points' were gained in the qualifying stages.

It is a bit of an anomaly, but it was due to their clubs making some decent performances.

Ok. I think I understand the system. I assume this ties back into the number of UEFA and CL spots awarded in the subsequent year(s)? So Romania should have more spots and, therefore, a greater base from which to falter? Not that I have anything against Romania, I'm just thinking that there should be a few qualitative considerations as well. Otherwise, a good run by the top teams will allow lower table teams to enter the competitions and, thereby, lower the coefficient. I guess that's fair enough, unless one of the top teams has a bad run too an the league gets unfairly punished -which seems to be happening here with Greece/Turkey/Belgium.

[VPjr]

quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard

The Euro coefficients don't lie, Ceres. Scotland is way ahead of Denmark on that. Rangers and Celtic are Scottish clubs so it doesn't make much sense to try to leave them out of the equation.

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/crank2007.html

1 Spain 15.500 14.312 12.437 15.642 19.000 76.891 7

2 England 10.666 11.250 15.571 14.428 16.625 68.540 8

3 Italy 15.928 8.875 14.000 15.357 11.928 66.088 7

4 France 7.916 13.500 11.428 10.812 10.000 53.656 8

5 Germany 9.142 4.714 10.571 10.437 9.500 44.364 7

6 Portugal 10.750 10.250 8.166 5.500 8.083 42.749 6

7 Romania 2.166 4.333 5.500 16.833 11.333 40.165 3

8 Netherlands 6.166 5.416 12.000 7.583 8.214 39.379 7

9 Russia 3.625 5.875 10.000 10.000 6.625 36.125 4

10 Scotland 7.375 7.375 4.750 4.250 6.750 30.500 4

11 Ukraine 4.250 4.875 8.100 5.750 6.500 29.475 4

12 Belgium 6.875 5.875 6.125 5.500 4.700 29.075 5

13 Czech Republic 6.200 7.375 2.875 4.625 5.750 26.825 4

14 Turkey 4.666 6.500 5.375 4.000 6.100 26.641 5

15 Greece 7.166 4.166 6.166 3.333 4.666 25.497 6

16 Bulgaria 4.166 4.166 2.375 8.750 5.125 24.582 4

17 Switzerland 5.875 1.875 2.625 9.375 4.100 23.850 5

18 Norway 2.700 6.125 3.500 5.400 2.000 19.725 5

19 Israel 5.833 2.250 3.625 1.500 6.000 19.208 4

20 Serbia 4.833 4.500 4.250 3.250 2.125 18.958 4

21 Denmark 3.250 4.200 1.500 3.500 6.125 18.575 4

22 Austria 4.000 2.125 7.625 3.250 1.500 18.500 5

23 Poland 6.625 4.125 2.500 1.125 2.625 17.000 4

24 Hungary 3.166 4.833 4.166 1.000 1.000 14.165 3

25 Slovakia 0.666 2.500 1.333 4.333 2.000 10.832 3

26 Croatia 2.750 3.625 3.000 0.333 1.000 10.708 3

27 Cyprus 3.166 1.333 1.333 3.000 1.750 10.582 4

28 Sweden 2.250 1.500 3.000 2.666 1.125 10.541 4

29 Slovenia 0.666 2.166 3.500 2.333 1.250 9.915 4

30 Bosnia-Herzegovina 3.000 1.666 1.666 1.500 1.833 9.665 3

As a Rangers player Atiba Hutchinson would be more likely to have Champions League action than he would at FC Kobenhaven because the path to the group stages is easier for the top Scottish clubs thanks to that 10th placed ranking. He'd be way better off in the Bundesliga than in either the Scottish or Danish top tiers for overall quality of play, however, because both are backwaters with a big gap in quality between the top and bottom teams. He'd maybe even be better off in MLS that way although finances are a different story at the top clubs obviously.

anyone find it strange that the Swedish league ranks so incredibly low? Below Cyprus...didn't even know they played REAL pro soccer in Cyprus.

With that being said, why on earth would our young players choose Sweden over a Generation Adidas contract with MLS, where they stand to make at least decent money. Didn't that kid from BC (Tyler something or other) choose to play in Sweden? Maybe we should not be so excited when one of our MNT players signs on with a Swedish pro team.

[Massive Attack]

VPjr, I don't find it strange at all. When's the last time a Swedish club didn't anything of note in Europe? I think the big Helsinborg upset over Inter was in 2000. That's a long time ago now.

At least FCK made the CL Group Stage last year.

[Free kick]

quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy

. He's under contract until 2010 and can go for 5 to 6 million euro.

I would imagine that figure would constitude some kind record transfer fee for a Canadian. If I recall, Radz currently holds that title with $3.5Mill from Anderlecht to Everton. Anyone recall the details of the JDG deal from Hannover to Depor?

[Free kick]

quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack

VPjr, I don't find it strange at all. When's the last time a Swedish club didn't anything of note in Europe? I think the big Helsinborg upset over Inter was in 2000. That's a long time ago now.

At least FCK made the CL Group Stage last year.

Conversely, you might ask, what have Norwegian clubs done in Europe to justify a ranking that is so much higher than that of Sweden. Yes, I do recall, once, Rosenberg turning some heads in the CL a few years ago. But aside from that, I have no recollection. No different than waht FC Basle accomplished two years ago. I did keep an eye on them earlier this year ( given that some MNT players were playing for them) in UEFA cup competition and noted that they disappeared quietly and quickly in the early stages.

[jpg75]

quote:Originally posted by Free kick

I would imagine that figure would constitude some kind record transfer fee for a Canadian. If I recall, Radz currently holds that title with $3.5Mill from Anderlecht to Everton. Anyone recall the details of the JDG deal from Hannover to Depor?

Bosman, free transfer.

[Juby]

I think the sweden norway denmark rankings are in a good order, I always thought norway had the most thorough league, denmark had the biggest couple clubs and sweden for some reason has the best national team. I think serbia deserves better, they only get one spot and red star were pitted against ac milan in the qualifiers, partizan and red star are true competitors.

[ken]

quote:Originally posted by Free kick

I would imagine that figure would constitude some kind record transfer fee for a Canadian. If I recall, Radz currently holds that title with $3.5Mill from Anderlecht to Everton. Anyone recall the details of the JDG deal from Hannover to Depor?

That (Radz) was 3.5 million pounds which (without looking at exchange rates) is about 7 million euros. Before that it was Brennan at about 2.2 million pounds IIRC. Then too there is he-who-must-not-be-named who is going to Man U for a pretty hefty sum (they're getting taken).

[Bertuzzi44]

quote:Originally posted by ken

That (Radz) was 3.5 million pounds which (without looking at exchange rates) is about 7 million euros. Before that it was Brennan at about 2.2 million pounds IIRC. Then too there is he-who-must-not-be-named who is going to Man U for a pretty hefty sum (they're getting taken).

Actually Radzinski was sold to Everton for 4.5 million pounds.

Whoregraves from Bayern to Man Utd. for 17 million pounds. That's easily the record transfer fee paid for a Canadian...err.... Canadian citizen

[Ceres]

quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard

[brThe Euro coefficients don't lie, Ceres. Scotland is way ahead of Denmark on that. Rangers and Celtic are Scottish clubs so it doesn't make much sense to try to leave them out of the equation.

I was not taking Rangers and Celtic out of the equation, but saying that it is Rangers and Celtic collecting just about all the Scottish points used in the league ranking... So the UEFA league ranking is not reflecting the strenght of the SPL in compare with the Danish Superliga, but the strenght of Rangers and Celtic the past 5 years, in compare with the top 4-5 best clubs in Denmark... As the team ranking also shows, then ther is not much of a difference in strenght between the best Danish teams.

quote:Originally posted by BringBackTheBlizzard

In terms of club coefficients, which help to determine seedings for qualification round draws here are the top three Scottish clubs and the top three Danish clubs based on the last four seasons:-

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2008.html

34 Glasgow Rangers Sco 6.4335 7.5675 13.4025 15.2275 42.631

42 Celtic Sco 15.4335 8.5675 1.4025 13.2275 38.631

96 Hearts FC Sco 7.4335 6.5675 1.4025 3.2275 18.631

102 FC København Den 4.3860 0.4950 2.1550 10.0210 17.057

Brøndby IF Den 7.3860 0.4950 6.1550 3.0210 17.057

131 OB Odense Den 2.3860 0.4950 1.1550 8.0210 12.057

when Celtic's UEFA cup final season is included over five years it is:-

http://www.xs4all.nl/~kassiesa/bert/uefa/data/method3/trank2007.html

24 Celtic Sco 23.4335 15.4335 8.5675 1.4025 13.2275 62.064

45 Glasgow Rangers Sco 4.4335 6.4335 7.5675 13.4025 15.2275 47.064

107 Hearts FC Sco 2.4335 7.4335 6.5675 1.4025 3.2275 21.064

116 FC København Den 2.0725 4.3860 0.4950 2.1550 10.0210 19.129

Brøndby IF Den 2.0725 7.3860 0.4950 6.1550 3.0210 19.129

139 OB Odense Den 3.0725 2.3860 0.4950 1.1550 8.0210 15.129

And there we are... The problem with this kind of 5-year team ranking is the fact that a team like OB Odense do not participate every season, so instead they get a small share of the league ranking, which is a bit up and down (Denmark also still suffer in the league ranking from the Danish players' strike of 2004/05)..

Since the Scottish league ranking is better than the Danish (because of Celtic and Rangers), then all Scottish teams get a bigger share even if they have shown nothing in the Europa cup's the past 5 years. This is also why Hearts is higher in the team ranking than FCK, despite FCK having produced better results.

we should also not forget that FCK is a result of a merge in 1992, so they have had to more or less start from scratch in the team ranking, while teams like Celtic, Rangers and also Norwegian Rosenborg for that matter, have had the huge advantage of being among the seeded.

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quote:Originally posted by Free kick

Conversely, you might ask, what have Norwegian clubs done in Europe to justify a ranking that is so much higher than that of Sweden. Yes, I do recall, once, Rosenberg turning some heads in the CL a few years ago. But aside from that, I have no recollection.

The main answer to this is Rosenborg... They alone have collected 43.2% of the Norwegian ranking points in this 5-year league ranking. To compare, then FCK have managed to collect 32.5% of the Danish league ranking points...

Btw, FCK and Brøndby have managed to collect 61.9% of the Danish points, while Celtic and Rangers have collected 83.5% of the Scottich points ... or in raw numbers, then Celtic (70 points = 50.4%) and Rangers (46 points = 33.1%) have collected 116 points, while the rest of the Scottish teams put together have only managed to collect 23 points the past 5 years..

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[Ceres]

quote:Originally posted by Juby

I think the sweden norway denmark rankings are in a good order, I always thought norway had the most thorough league, denmark had the biggest couple clubs and sweden for some reason has the best national team.

I would say that Norway mainly have had Rosenborg participating in the CL group stage almost every season the past 10 years with the same (old) players, while Denmark always struggle with the fact that the top teams are stripped of some of their best talent almost every season, so that Brøndby may do well in Europe one season (like in 2005/06), and then the next season have sold players like Agger (to Liverpool), Johan Elmander (to Toulouse), Kahlenberg (to Auxerre) and Skoubo (to Real Sociedad). So they start all over, building up a new young talented team, but as usual it will hurt them in the 5-year UEFA Team Ranking.

As for Sweden, then ther is very little money in Swedish Club football, so the Swedish league do not only lose their best players to the top league of Europe, but also to Danish and Norwegian top teams.. Just think of the Swedish 'forward of the year' Allbäck and Swedish 'midfielder of the year' Linderoth at FCK, Danish league topscorer Rade Prica at AaB, Marcus Lantz and Ericsson at Brøndby, most of them having moved to Denmark from the English and German League (to cover for some of the loss of Danish talent, moving to the big leagues). Had ther been more money in Swedish football it is not unlikely that players like Allbäck, Lantz and Prica would have moved back to Sweden instead.

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[Ceres]

quote:Originally posted by Bertuzzi44

Actually Radzinski was sold to Everton for 4.5 million pounds.

Whoregraves from Bayern to Man Utd. for 17 million pounds. That's easily the record transfer fee paid for a Canadian...err.... Canadian citizen

£1 = €1.47 ... so £4.5 million is just about €6.6 million..

Btw, regarding transfer fees in general, it is very often so that big transfers in Europe are calculated in a way, so the transfer fee also include Agent-fees and the players sign-on fee, while in Denmark transfer fees are almost never made public and always only include the actual transfer fee to the club... Dont ask me why that is, probably some cultural difference.

Danish clubs always try to hide the transfer fees from the newsmedia or if this is not possible (foreign clubs sometimes demand that the figure is made public), then the Danish teams will try to make the fee look as small as possible, while big foreign clubs tend to add all the different fees (In Turkey sometimes even the players wages) to make the transfer fee look bigger, perhaps to impress their supporters ?. So if Atiba gets sold, then you should not be surprised if ther are two figures being made "public", one of them being a smaller looking Danish figure.

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[Stephen LaRose]

I wish it was Celtic that was interested in Hutch, not Rangers ...

[Ceres]

quote:Originally posted by Stephen LaRose

I wish it was Celtic that was interested in Hutch, not Rangers ...

It wouldnt matter, since Atiba has already said that the SPL in his opinion is "dead" so he has no interest in moving to neither Celtic or Rangers..

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