Winnipeg Fury Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by El Hombre Actually, I feel the exact same way as Ed. I was hoping for big things for Rosenlund at the 2005 WYC and he left me pretty disappointed. He's definitely talented but he didn't show it on the world stage when he had the chance. And with the current pool of midfielders we have, he can't be much more than cover for the upcoming WCQ. Yes, I agree with Ed and EH. In the little we have seen of him, he did not overwhelm me. Keep in mind that most Canadian fans have not seen much of him. We all hope he is the best player Canada has ever developed. Let's hope he can impress at AIK and land a longterm contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjoni Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I'm looking forward to seeing more of Rosenlund. He seems to have been dominant in college, but now he's moving into a much higher tempo and competitive environment. Once he's played a while with AIK, he'll definately be worth a look at a development camp. But, as to whether he's going to bump Julian or Atiba or one of the other regulars in mid, he's going to have to work pretty hard. Good luck to Tyler. Hope things work out for him in Stockholm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury Yup. I read a article on Maurice Edu ( TFC's first round pick) in the paper last week and a particular quote stuck from him stuck in my mind regarding the role and responsibilities of players who play those MF roles that Rosenlund played on our U20 team in Holland. Edu said: " My role is to make other players and the team LOOK GOOD". Can we honnesty that we looked good in Holland when we played Columbia and Italy? Compare what we saw in Holland to what we saw against Spain two years earlier on TV and from the game summaries ( since there was no TV) from that tournament. Unfortunately the key player who filled that role in 2003 has had his career stalled by a rash of ACL injuries and has missed several season. None the less, he still has a chance to develop. And by the sounds of it, he had a terrific college career. Made a terrific pass to set up Gyaki for a big goal in qualifying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhr57 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 No contract for Tyler: http://aik.se/fotboll/aikindex.html?/fotboll/2007/herrar/lasvart/070208_tylerrosenlund.html (Swedish) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nhr57 No contract for Tyler: http://aik.se/fotboll/aikindex.html?/fotboll/2007/herrar/lasvart/070208_tylerrosenlund.html (Swedish) I am guessing, that would mean that his only option now is to return to college... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nhr57 No contract for Tyler: http://aik.se/fotboll/aikindex.html?/fotboll/2007/herrar/lasvart/070208_tylerrosenlund.html (Swedish) I am guessing, that would mean that his only option now is to return to college... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by futbol101 where does it say that he isn't getting a contract. I am pretty sure there would be no point in him going back to college and his agent probably already has him lined up to try out for a few more clubs. Agreed. worse case scenario he signs with MLS and his rights are offered out on an allocation basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpg75 Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by futbol101 where does it say that he isn't getting a contract. I am pretty sure there would be no point in him going back to college and his agent probably already has him lined up to try out for a few more clubs. Agreed. worse case scenario he signs with MLS and his rights are offered out on an allocation basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 quote:Originally posted by futbol101 where does it say that he isn't getting a contract. I am pretty sure there would be no point in him going back to college and his agent probably already has him lined up to try out for a few more clubs. Yes, but we are in early February and this is not a good time at all to be out selling yourself. Teams want to sign to solve immediate problems in the season, cover an injury, add competition to a squad in relegation zone. Except for those few leagues that start in April: MLS, Norway, Sweden. All the rest are not looking for a young promising type. That is for June and July. When he would be out of school, when the clubs really have time to look at players, when they are thinking about next year in the majority of world leagues. That is why he could just as well go back to school, play PDL, and then look for the good chance with more options in four months. Not saying he won't find something now, but it is not really the optimum moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 quote:Originally posted by futbol101 As taken from AIK's site, "If Rosenlund had come last year we would've signed him in a heartbeat. But because we have just signed our third center midfielder which we payed a lot of money for there will be no room for Rosenlund." I can't find that on their website. Would you mind providing a link to it, please? Thanks in advance! If Rosenlund hired an agent, I'm pretty sure his college elegibility is gone. Also, he missed some school during the U-20 Tourney, just missed a quarter while being on trial, and since soccer is a fall sport (and he'd presumably really turn pro right afterward), he would be highly unlikely to have enough credits for a diploma. IMO, there is no turning back now. He's a pro in the eyes of the NCAA. Like I said on the Gaucho message board, Rosenlund really made a bold and aggressive move going to one of the top clubs in Sweden that already had an established midfield. I was concerned when I learned he was trying out as a forward. As disappointed I am for Rosenlund, I am looking forward to see where he ends up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VPjr Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Message to Rosenlund...come home to TFC, play reserves and make $13,000.... kidding of course....well actually not kidding because I would love him to sign with TFC, even if they have to use allocation. I am sure he will catch on somewhere...IMO he probably should have done a generation addidas deal, play 2-4 years in MLS and then go Europe like Dempsey just did for a nice fat transfer fee (assuming he developed properly). I make it sound so easy but of course it's not...more like finding a needle in a heystack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 quote:Originally posted by futbol101 oh really... do you have a lot of experience with this? I'm geussing your one of those people who never could make it in soccer so you try to live your life off of others that have. That is probably the worst idea I have ever heard. Please once again as I have told you all, think before you speak. MLS is a last resort place to go for any player. It is not considered one of the top 20 leagues in the world. It may be in the future but at the moment it is deffinetly for players who have gone out of there prime. Well no, I have not been signed to too many teams in the winter break. But I know what I am talking about: this is far from the best time to be selling yourself, for all the reasons I have mentioned. Most clubs in Europe are in season, have their rosters full and can no longer sign a transfer as we are past the deadline. February is only good for the leagues I mentioned. But since I wished him luck and said all the best if he does find something you don't have to get your ICQ in a knot. I think if you look at attendance and the quality of the game, you would have to put MLS in the top twenty in the world. There are maybe 8 to ten ahead of it in Europe, three or maybe four south of the Rio Grande. Japan could be similar. I'd say no. 15, and home, where the kid is from, where his family is, a language he understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhr57 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Tyler has already found a new club to try out with, he will play for IFK Mariehamn (Finnish league) in a training match on Sunday. And well... if he doesn't get a contract there he might as well give up on a professional football career. Maybe I'm a bit hard on their league, but the standard isn't really that good from what I've seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 quote:Originally posted by nhr57 Tyler has already found a new club to try out with, he will play for IFK Mariehamn (Finnish league) in a training match on Sunday. And well... if he doesn't get a contract there he might as well give up on a professional football career. Maybe I'm a bit hard on their league, but the standard isn't really that good from what I've seen. If AIK and Mariehamn don't sign Tyler at the drop of the hat in the pre-season he will decide to give up on the pro career with corresponding celerity? I seriously doubt the player in question has that little faith in his abilities. If he remains this dedicated he will find a team eventually, but if walking into second tier Norway was good enough for a lot of our guys now doing better, playing at a higher level, why should you be all worried about a guy signing in Finland if that is what comes up in the first weeks of seeking out a pro option? Are you "friends" of Tyler sure you are representing the guy's views on things correctly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhr57 Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 You took that comment way too seriously. It wasn't really about Tyler, just a poor attempt at a cheap shot at IFK Mariehamn. I have no doubt that he could find a much better club, from what I've seen of him (just one training session with AIK though). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 Announcement article: http://www.tidningen.aland.net/se/sport/nyhet.asp?newsID=13715 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 That Finnish team played a game on Wednesday, the League Cup, which is done in two groups who play round robin. They drew 1-1 with MyPa, the best known Finnish team I think, at home. They play away this Sunday think it is vs. Vikingit ("we are Viking it on Sunday"). So the competitive year is already underway for these clubs, albeit with what I figure is a Carling Cup type competition done in the pre-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Start fan in exile Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 quote:Originally posted by Gaucho Announcement article: http://www.tidningen.aland.net/se/sport/nyhet.asp?newsID=13715 From Vancouver to California to Finland...he's in for a bit of a shock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Doubtful whether this club are even fully pro given the fact soccer tends to rank behind hockey, track and field and even a Finnish form of baseball in popularity in Finland and given the fact that IFK Marienhamn are not exactly a big club even by Finnish standards being from a small group of islands in the Baltic Sea with a population of about 30,000 that are Swedish ethnically. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aland_Islands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 seems like a crazy idea to play for such a team in Finland. I find it hard to believe that it would be a better opportunity than MLS and I am quite euro-centric having lived in this part of the world for 12 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 My guess would be it is out of fear of losing face if he returns to North America empty handed in contract terms having left college early without graduating (I think anyway?) and acting like MLS was beneath him. It would be difficult to go any lower in pecking order terms of European clubs and still be able to obtain fully pro level money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 I think somebody mentioned here recently that Friend was paid 100K, got a car, and an apartment when he played for a second tier team in Norway. My guess is that a first tier team in Finland can't be far off from a second tier Norwegian team. I view the Finnish team as being roughly equivalent to an MLS team. An MLS team probably has some advantages over the Finnish team (stadium size, resources, televised games to a larger audience), but the Finnish team also likely has some advantages over an MLS club (more fluid transition to another club, more passionate fans, fewer distractions from soccer, more immersive soccer culture). I looked over the current roster, and all of their players are signed with the club for just one or two years. So, Tyler can play there for a year or two and move on without being restricted by a contract. He has more control over his own professional destiny, and I view this as a big plus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Finland is not a soccer loving nation. Simple as that. The game is still played there but not to a particularly high standard as the sport is significantly less popular there than it is in Sweden (where hockey is very big in the more northern regions but not so much in the south), and Norway and Denmark where hockey is basically a non-factor. It's more like playing USL D-1 than MLS because the season is short due to the cold weather climate and the crowds are basically similar to the non-Rochester and Montreal franchises in the 1500 to 4500 sort of range. The reason IFK Marienhemn signed all their players recently is probably because they only recently made it to the top flight and before that were playing at a low level where crowds of a few hundred are the norm. They are not a traditional top team like HJK Helsinki who regularly play in the UEFA Cup and Champions League qualifiers or anything like that so nothing to do with contracts being flexible I suspect. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IFK_Mariehamn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaucho Posted February 9, 2007 Author Share Posted February 9, 2007 I can't really speak to the passion of soccer in Finland, but this particular location is a bit unique as it's right next to Sweden and it's an autonomous region of Finland. In fact, the primary language in Aland is Swedish. So although Aland is more associated with Finland on a map, its cultural ties appear to be closer to Sweden. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackTheBlizzard Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 I did mention the ethnic Swedish angle a few posts up so wasn't trying to sweep that fact under the carpet. 20,000 or so people, which appears to be the population of the biggest island in Aland where the town of Marienhemn is located, is usually not a big enough population to sustain fully-pro soccer in Europe regardless of cultural factors. Given the short summer season in Finland, the team is probably basically semi-pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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