Serbia and Croatia renew thier CSL rivarly

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

CPSLFAN · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

The quality of last night’s soccer was decent, though it was hard to judge because of the poor state of the playing field and lack of proper lighting.

At arrival to the stadium I was amazed to see the number of security personnel, alot most I have ever seen at footballmatch in Canada. Signs were posted at the entance "NO FIREWORKS, FLARES OR ALCOHOL ARE PREMITTED IN THE STADIUM" Each fan was then check buy security upon entry.

Inside again, like the first two matches, the stands were lop-side., I estimate the attendance to be near 2200. The White Eagles supporters were out in huge numbers maybe 1700, while Toronto Croatia supporters I would say 500 max.

The game was entertaining from the outset, both teams made the best of the poor field.The majority of the chances were for SWE, even hitting a cross-bar on one occasion. Toronto Croatia did muster a chance or two but were denied by Serbian Goaltender. Dragan Radovic opened the scoring at 55 minutes. Then minutes after coming into the game Gabriel Pop, the CSL leading scoring, added two, one in the 80th, and one in the 85th minutes to secure at comfortable 3-0 win.

Of note, two players, Robert Fran of Toronto Croatia and Milan Janosevic of Serbian White Eagles were both ejected in the first half for violent behaviour.

Now as for the stands for the most part normal, the fans were loud on both sides of the pitch. A lot of signing, chanting the normal stuff. But shortly after the first White Eagles goal things began to change. Toronto Croatia Supporters unveiled a flag of Ante Pavelic, who was the leader and founding member of the Croatian national socialist/fascist Ustase movement in the 1930s and later the leader of the Independent State of Croatia, a puppet state of Nazi Germany during WWII. As the leader of the Ustase he directly ordered, organized and conducted a campaign of terror against Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and communist Croats. The extent of this campaign reached the proportions of genocide. Pavelic's Ustase regime was the most murderous Nazi client state in the entirety of occupied Europe. Croatian supporters stood with the one hand raised in the air, eerily resembling the "Hail Hitler Salute", chanting profanities about Serbs. The Serbs countered with a "Fasicist, Fascist" chant. Next the Croatian Supporters began lighting flares, fireworks etc. The question I have at this point was did security even check the Toronto Croatia supporters or was that only something that the White Eagles fans had to go through?

Immediately after SWE’s third goal the majority of the Toronto Croatia fans started to exit the stadium. A small crowd of their fans began throwing flares onto the field, into the Serbian supporter’s stands. They made there way right underneath the White Eagles supports in the parking lot. A group of about 10-20 Croatian urged the Serbs fans to join them in the parking lot. A large number of the more mature Serbian White Eagles supporters pleaded "leave them, they lost, don’t bother”. But this all change when a Serbian Girl was confronted by Croatian fans in the parking lot. A huge number of Serbian White Eagles fans exited and rush the parking lot, but many were detained in the building as security lock the exit doors.(good move by the stadium officials, police etc.) Overall a very entertaining game with some unfortunately endings, ultimately the Serbian White Eagles will now finish on top of the league with a 16-1-4 record.

BalkanBoy

I was at the game and those figures are way off that is typical serbian propaganda that I use to see on cnn during the 90's. 1700 to 500 you must have been drunk. As for the girl being hit I doubt that happened I believe she just took pictures of the TC fans and made up a big story. Seriously if a chick was being punched why the hell would she be trying to pull out her camera shouldnt she run away unless she is a butch?

As for the game, atmosphere was great but the overall soccer play was crappy due to the pitch. Serbian white eagles capitalized on their chances.

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

Your an iddiote. No one hit a girl. You ever play broken telephone?

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

CPSLFAN · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

I was at the game and those figures are way off that is typical serbian propaganda that I use to see on cnn during the 90's. 1700 to 500 you must have been drunk. As for the girl being hit I doubt that happened I believe she just took pictures of the TC fans and made up a big story. Seriously if a chick was being punched why the hell would she be trying to pull out her camera shouldnt she run away unless she is a butch?

As for the game, atmosphere was great but the overall soccer play was crappy due to the pitch. Serbian white eagles capitalized on their chances.

RS · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

Did the White Eagle Fans shoot roman candles @ Toronto Croatia fans, did they throw flares on the field, did they spit at the opposing fans? What exactly were you not impressed about with the Serbian White Eagle fans?

For starters, this:

"Your right the "Ultra Serbs" were doing a similar salute, but in rapid motion"

But you're right, in the stands the Serb fans were far better behaved. I did see some Serb fans accosting Croatian fans outside the stadium though, including a group of young (20-something) men in a car being hurling profanities towards two young women walking on the sidewalk in Croatia gear. It was more the post-match stuff that soured me on both sets of fans, rather than in-game (where the Serb fans seemed to be just enjoying themselves).

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by Rudi

For starters, this:

"Your right the "Ultra Serbs" were doing a similar salute, but in rapid motion"

But you're right, in the stands the Serb fans were far better behaved. I did see some Serb fans accosting Croatian fans outside the stadium though, including a group of young (20-something) men in a car being hurling profanities towards two young women walking on the sidewalk in Croatia gear. It was more the post-match stuff that soured me on both sets of fans, rather than in-game (where the Serb fans seemed to be just enjoying themselves).

Well maybe if u understoud serbian/croatian u would have heard them yelling picka vam materina (great your mother) throughout the entire game.

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

You showing me pictures of two random people in no way proves that a girl was hit. The two girls that were there took approximately 20-30 pictures before the fight occured for absolutely no reason. That is where those pictures came from.

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

RS · September 25, 2006

It's probably better that I don't understand.

I figured a lot of those chants were not exactly the most family-friendly chants going, just by the reaction they would draw from the opoosite side. As a neutral observer, it was easy for me to feel the tension between the two sides, which is the main reason I think an ethnic division is bush league.

I know a lot of Serbs and Croats, and descendants of such, and these people get along just fine in their daily lives here in Canada (which is precisely the reason why most of them came here in the first place). To re-ignite old politically charged rivalries for a soccer match goes completely against the point of immigranting to this fine country we have here.

For me to see 2nd and 3rd generation Croats and Serbs, most of whom have had at most of cup of tea in their 'homelands', fighting over an issue their family came to Canada to get away from is rather sickening and exploitative.

I went into last night's match with an open mind, but my original fears were proven correct when some Croatian fans unfurled that banner, which obviously drew an immediate response from the Serbs on the other side. And while I couldn't understand the language, I could clearly get the gist of what was being said, and the emotion of it all.

That being said, if immigrant groups want to limit themselves by creating old rivalries through extremely low-level soccer than so be it, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just glad real soccer (without the manufactured hate and hostility) can be found elsewhere in this city.

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by Rudi

It's probably better that I don't understand.

I figured a lot of those chants were not exactly the most family-friendly chants going, just by the reaction they would draw from the opoosite side. As a neutral observer, it was easy for me to feel the tension between the two sides, which is the main reason I think an ethnic division is bush league.

I know a lot of Serbs and Croats, and descendants of such, and these people get along just fine in their daily lives here in Canada (which is precisely the reason why most of them came here in the first place). To re-ignite old politically charged rivalries for a soccer match goes completely against the point of immigranting to this fine country we have here.

For me to see 2nd and 3rd generation Croats and Serbs, most of whom have had at most of cup of tea in their 'homelands', fighting over an issue their family came to Canada to get away from is rather sickening and exploitative.

I went into last night's match with an open mind, but my original fears were proven correct when some Croatian fans unfurled that banner, which obviously drew an immediate response from the Serbs on the other side. And while I couldn't understand the language, I could clearly get the gist of what was being said, and the emotion of it all.

That being said, if immigrant groups want to limit themselves by creating old rivalries through extremely low-level soccer than so be it, it doesn't really matter to me. I'm just glad real soccer (without the manufactured hate and hostility) can be found elsewhere in this city.

Which banner are you refering to the big black one? All it said was we have the sea. Not very discrimanatory if u ask me.

CPSLFAN · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

Yes I am new to the site, usually just read through the posts, after seeing this thread I had to post my views of the game. How quickly you change your story. Now she was taunted and hit. I was on the serbian white eagles side watching the game and left shortly after the third girl. Was in the parking lot for a bit cause my car was blocked off by a cruiser which moved later. I've seen serbs on tv like Milosevic, Kardzic not sure if thats proper spelling and Mladic. I saw what happened in srebrenica and the denial from the serbs.

P.S. Your Jasenovac figures are very accurate.lol

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

Ya and how about the serbians chucking rocks during the fight. I mean com on there were a bunch of little children their. One almost hit this little four year old if he hadnt have ducked. 99% of the people in the parking lot were just trying to get home.

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

soccerfan01 · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by BalkanBoy

As for the attendance I will say yes there were more serbs in the stands than croats at abotu 60 to 40 percent.

As for serbians being bombed, werent the serbs the ones who went into croatia and attacked them with the jugoslavian army in vukovar and krajina. In bosna the serbs attacked sarajevo, srebrenica and massacered and raped women and children. Then it wasn't enough war for the serbs so they decided to attack the albanian population of kosovo and after all these wars started by the serbs in a dream to create a Greater Serbia, nato and its allies said thats enough and bombed the serbs. So don't talk about bombing to me and saying the serbs didnt bomb other countries. I am studying european history at university. Let me guess Arkan must be one of your hereos a man that profited from the war and didnt even care about human beings. A cold hearted rapist.

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006

quote:Originally posted by Sigma

<mod>This might be hopeless, but keep the war politics out of this thread.</mod>

The last post I will make about war politics, but for those who want to research for your self I will provide you with references to look up....

Serbs have more than valid historical reason NOT TO TRUST Croat or Muslim "democracy". What they were suffering during World War II is so gruesome and far beyond description.

The Western press carefully avoids to talk about recent history of the region. It denies the Serbs of Croatia and Bosnia the REAL MOTIVE for their current fear and struggle. This is because it clashes with the claim that, somehow, Serbs of these geographical regions were pushed by Belgrade autocrat Miloshevich to "rebel" against "newly born democracies".

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REFERENCE #1:

For decades Encyclopedia Britannica had the following sentence when talking about WWII in Yugoslavia

(Quote):

"...IN BOSNIA...THE CROATIAN FASCISTS BEGAN A MASSACRE OF SERBS WHICH, IN THE WHOLE ANNALS OF WORLD WAR II, WAS SURPASSED FOR SAVAGERY ONLY BY THE MASS EXTERMINATION OF POLISH JEWS"!!!!!!!!

(End quote)

One can find the sentence in the versions of Britannica from 1971 to 1986 (entry: Yugoslavia, World War II). Probably at later editions too...

I believe you have heard about suffering of Polish Jews. There you have the comparison!!!

REFERENCE #2:

The New Encyclopedia Britannica, Volume 27, Macropedia (Knowledge in Depth), edition 1986, page 467, entry: Fascism in the Balkans (1930's)

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RADICAL FASCIST movements developed in some Balkan countries - MOST PROMINENTLY IN CROATIA,... they were OBSESSED by an extremist spirit of terroristic violence in a strange union with RELIGIOUS FANATICISM. As result of German victory the Croatian USTASHE, a party under the leadership of Ante Pavelic (1889-1959), turned Croatia into a state on the model of the MOST EXTREMIST NATIONAL Socialist Party formation, the SS, or Schutzstaffel,...

The Ustashe persecuted and killed hundreds of thousands of Orthodox Serbs and Jews. Catholic monks and other priests are alledged to have taken an active part in this STRUGGLE FOR THE "PURITY" OF THE CROATIAN LAND...

(End quote).

REFERENCE #3:

Encyclopaedia Britannica, 15th Edition (1991 - i.e. still before Western anti-Serb propaganda campaign started) Macropaedia, Vol. 29, page 1111

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In Croatia [in 1941] the indeginous fascist regime set about a policy of "racial purification" that went beyond even Nazi practices. Minority groups such as Jews and Gypsies were to be eliminated as were the Serbs: it was declared that one-third of the Serbian population would be deported, one-third converted to Roman Catholicism, and one third liquidated. ... Ustasha bands terrorized the countryside. The partial [sic!] collaboration of the Catholic clergy in these practices continues to be a component of Serb-Croat suspicion.

(End quote).

REFERENCE #4:

1945 Britannica book of the year, page 216, entry: Croatia

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Few regimes under German control had committed SO MANY CRUEL ACTS AS CROATIA DID. Serbs and Jews were persecuted and many of them murdered.

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Worldmark Encyclopedia of the Nations, Europe, edition 1995, page 91, entry: Croatia

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Slavko Kvaternik (the second in command to the Croatian WWII fuehrer, Dr Ante Pavelic) explained (on the day of formation of the WWII "Independent State of Croatia", on April 10, 1941) HOW PURE CROATIA SHOULD BE BUILT - by forcing one third of the Serbs to leave Croatia, one third to convert to Catholicism, and one third to be EXTERMINATED. Soon Ustasha bands initiated a BLOODY ORGY of mass murder of Serbs unfortunate enough not to have converted or left Croatia on time. THE ENORMITY OF SUCH CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR SHOCKED EVEN THE CONSCIENCE OF GERMAN COMMANDERS, but Pavelic had Hitler's personal support for such actions which resulted in the loss of the lives of hundreds of thousands of Serbs in Croatia and Bosnia and Herzegovina. In addition, the Ustasa regime organized extermination camps, the most notorious one at JASENOVAC where Serbs, Jews, Gypsies, and other opponents were massacred in large numbers.

(End quote)

REFERENCE #6:

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Vol 1, page 323, entry: Croatia

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CROATIA (Nazavisna Drzava Hrvatska or Independent State of Croatia, NDH) ... established during WWII, that was in existence from April 1941 to May 1945. Its area... CONSISTED OF WHAT ARE TODAY THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF CROATIA AND THE FEDERATIVE REPUBLIC OF BOSNIA AND HERZEGOVINA... Its capital was Zagreb. It had population of 6.3 million, of whom 3.3 million were Catholic Croats, 1.9 million Serbs, 700,000 Muslim..., 40,000 Jews, 30,000 Gypsies...

... Shortly after taking control, the Ustasha, WITH THE SUPPORT OF MANY CROATS, EMBARKED UPON WHAT IT CALLED "THE PURGE OF CROATIA FROM FOREIGN ELEMENTS," which had as its main purpose the ELIMINATION OF THE SERB MINORITY.

In a BRUTAL TERROR CAMPAIGN, more than half a million Serbs were killed, a quater of million expelled, and 200,000 forced to convert to Catholicism.

THE USTASHA REGIME IN CROATIA, AND PARTICULARLY THIS DRIVE IN THE SUMMER OF 1941 TO EXTERMINATE AND DISPOSSESS THE SERBS, WAS ONE OF THE MOST HORRENDOUS EPISODES OF WORLD WAR II !!!!!!!!!!

THE MURDER METHODS APPLIED BY THE USTASHA WERE EXTRAORDINARILY PRIMITIVE AND SADISTIC: thousands were hurled from mountain tops, other were beaten to death or their throats cut, entire villages were burned down, WOMEN RAPED, people sent to death marches in the middle of winter, and still others starved to death.

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REFERENCE #7:

The New Encyclopedia Britannica, edition 1986, Macropedia (Knowledge in Depth), Volume 27, page 467, entry: 'Fascism in the Balkans (1930's).'

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Catholic monks and other priests are alleged to have taken an active part in this struggle for the 'purity' of the Croatian land.

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REFERENCE #8:

Professor Helen Fein, "Accounting for Genocide - Victims and Survivors of the Holocaust," The Free Press, New York, Edition 1979, page 103

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Nonpartisan sources agree that mass genocide was authorized by the state of Croatia. They concur that the state instigated, planned, and executed massacres against the Serbian Orthodox minority... and that the Catholic clergy approved, led, or failed to denounce these massacres. The Croats' collective hatred of the Orthodox Serbs was explicit in folk sayings such as ["Srbe o vrbe" -] "Serbs to the willows [hang the Serbs]." ...

By June 1941, signs on public establishments read, 'NO SERBS, JEWS, NOMADS ['Gypsies'] AND DOGS ALLOWED.

(End quote)

REFERENCE #9:

"Partisans and Guerillas, W.W.II," Ronald H. Bailey, Time-Life Books, Edition 1978, page 87.

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The real ruler [of W.W.II Croatia] was Ante Pavelich, a zealous Croatian nationalist and fanatical hater of Serbs... Pavelic lead a terrorist group called the Ustashi in a brutal campaign against Jews and Serbs in Croatia.

"A good Ustashi," he told his men, "is he who can use his knife to cut a child from the womb of its mother." According to an Italian correspondent, Pavelich once put a wicker basket on his desk - filled with 40 pounds of eyes gourged from victims of the Ustashi.

(End quote)

REFERENCE #10:

Professor Edmond Paris, "Genocide in Satellite Croatia, 1941- 1945," Chicago, 1961, The American Institute for Balkan Affairs, from the introduction of the book.

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The greatest genocide during World War II, in proportion to a nation's population, took place, not in Nazi Germany but in the Nazi-created puppet state of Croatia. There, in the years 1941-1945, some 750,000 Serbs, 60,000 Jews and 26,000 Gypsies - men, women and children - perished in a gigantic holocaust. These are the figures used by most foreign authors, especially Germans, who were in the best position to know...

The magnitude and the bestial nature of these atrocities makes it difficult to believe that such a thing could have happened in an allegedly civilized part of the world.

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REFERENCE #11:

Herman Naubacher, Hitler's personal assistant for the South-East Europe and the Balkan affairs, in his book "Sonderauftrag Sudosten 1940-1945. Bericht eines fliegenden Diplomate", Gottingen, 1956, on page 31, writes:

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The Orthodox recipe of Ante Pavelic, Ustashi leader and Croatian Fuehrer, reminds one of the religious wars in the bloodest aspects: one-third must become Catholic, one-third must leave the country and one-third must die. The last item was executed. When the leading men of the Ustashi movement are stating that they have slaughtered ONE MILLION Serbs (including infants, children, women and aged) this in my opinion is a self-praising exaggeration. According to the reports that have reached me, my estimate is that the number of those defenseless slaughtered is some THREE QUARTER OF A MILLION. [=750,000]

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REFERENCE #12:

[italian] Alfio Russo, in his book "Revoluzione in Jugoslavia", Roma 1944

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Even the most extraordinary massacres in the darkest era of history would not soil its name - Croatia... Kill, kill, scream the Ustashi against Serbs. And they cut their heads off and throw bodies away into the Sava river which flows slowly and gravely in the direction of Belgrade...

Go back to your motherland, go back to your motherland.

Neither Fascists nor Nazi have the remotests resemblance to the Ustashi, they are a fauna absolutely extraordinary and strange...

(End quote)

REFERENCE #13:

Baron Avro Manhattan, "The Vatican's Holocaust," Ozark Books, 1986, page 54

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The Nazis had records of massacres of their own second to none. Yet the horrors committed by Pavelic's Ustashi troops proved to be of such bestiality as to shock even them: a most crushing evidence that the Ustashi massacres had surpassed ANYTHING experienced even by the Germany of Hitler. The magnitude of the butchery can best be gauged by the fact that within the first three months, from April to June, 1941, 120,000 people perished thus. Proportionately to its duration and the smallness of the territory, it had been the greatest massacre to take place ANYWHERE in the West prior to, during, or after that greatest of cataclysms, the Second World War.

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REFERENCE #14:

Dr. Nora Levin, "The Holocaust - The destruction of European Jewry 1933 - 1945," Schocken Books, New York, Edition 1973, page 515

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The Ustashi murdered and tortured Jews and Serbs in indescribably bestial fashion. One of the most notorious camps in Hitler's Europe, Jasenovac, was in Croatia. Here the Ustashi used primitive implements in putting their victims to death - knives, axes, hammers and other iron tools. A characteristic method was binding pairs of prisoners, back to back, and then throwing them into the Sava River. One source estimates that 770,000 Serbs, 40,000 Gypsies and 20,000 Jews were done to death in the Jasenovac camp.

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REFERENCE #15:

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Vol 2, page 739

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JASENOVAC, the largest concentration camp in Croatia. Jasenovac was in fact a complex of several subcamps, in close proximity to each other, on the bank of Sava river... established in August 1941 and was dismantled only on April 1945...

SOME SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND PEOPLE WERE MURDERED AT JASENOVAC, MOSTLY SERBS JEWS, GYPSIES, AND OPPONENTS OF THE USTASHA REGIME... The living conditions in the camp were extremely severe... a particularly CRUEL regime, and UNBELIEVABLY CRUEL BEHAVIOR BY THE USTASHE GARDS.

(End quote)

A photograph that accompanies the text shows a smiling Ustasha in uniform with large "U" on its cap. The caption says (quote): "The former priest Miroslav Filipovic-Majstorovic, a member of the Jasenovac camp staff". In the text, later, it adds that this was one of the cruelest murderers, "who killed scores of prisoners with his own hands"... He was known as "Father Devil".

At different places in encyclopediae it is said how Croats participated EN MASSE in the slaughter. Actually, per capita, Croatia produced more soldiers then Nazi Germany. They tried, wery hard, to prove that CROATS ARE THE BEST NAZI OF THEM ALL! They were the best carriers of Hitler's New World Order.

CROATIA WAS THE FIRST NAZI STATE IN WORLD WAR II EUROPE TO DECLARE WAR ON THE U.S. While Nazi Germany did it in 1943, Croats did it as early as December 15, 1941.

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And who joined Nazi Croats in slaughtering the Serbs? You've guessed it: The Muslims!

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, Edition 1990, Volume 2, Pages 706 and 707, entry Husseini, Hajj Amin Al ; The main Hitler's supporter among Palestinian Arabs...

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It so happened that Husseini made his contribution to the Axis war effort in his capacity as a Muslim, rather than as an Arab leader, by recruiting and organizing in RECORD TIME, during the spring of 1943, BOSNIAN MUSLIM BATTALIONS in Croatia comprising some TWENTY THOUSAND MEN, These MUSLIM VOLUNTEER units, called Hanjar (Sword), were put in WAFFEN-SS fought Yugoslav partisans in Bosnia, and carried out police and security duties in Hungary. THEY PARTICIPATED IN THE MASSACRE OF CIVILIANS IN BOSNIA and VOLUNTEERED TO JOIN IN THE HUNT FOR JEWS IN CROATIA... The Germans made a point of publicizing the fact that Husseini had flown from Berlin to Sarajevo for the sole purpose of giving his blessing to the Muslim army and inspecting its arms and training exercises.

(End quote).

A photograph, on page 704, shows al-Husseini inspecting Muslim troops in Bosnia.

TWENTY THOUSAND (20,000) Muslim volunteers for the Nazi SS - out of total population of 700,000 - that's a HUGE response.

Nazi Ustashe succeded in murdering more than third out of more than two million Serbs that got under thir hands in Croatia and Bosnia in WWII. Some 200,000 Serbs were forcefully converted to Catholicism.

Yes, you say, but it was 50 years ago...

What happened next is that Communist dictator Tito, supported (and sometimes supplied with arms and ammunition) by Britain and USA got to control Yugoslavia. He served as a useful puppet in a buffer zone against the Soviet block.

Tito, himself a CROAT, butchered Yugoslavia into six (so called) "Federative Republics". He was sure to chop the largest nation, the Serbs, into four republics. And Republic of Serbia, itself, was the only one to be further divided (into three pieces: Vojvodina, Kosovo and "Serbia proper"). Some 42% of Serbs got to live outside "Serbia proper". And that is the CRUX of today's problem. (For the above numbers look at: Paul Shoup "Communism and the Yugoslav National Question". Columbia, 1968).

Next, the Croatian Communist dictator ordered Croatian and Muslim genocide of the Serbs to be forgotten - and new "Brotherhood and Unity" (under Communist dictatorship) to begin. The mountain pits where whole Serbian villages were hurled into - were cemented!!! And surviving Serbs were ordered NOT to come to the mass graves and morn their dead. Some Ustashe Croats and Muslims got (usually small) positions in the new government. Their Nazi elite (including the above mentioned Croatian fuhrer Pavelic) ESCAPED through Vatican organized "rat channels". Croatian priesthood was instrumental in helping some 50,000 worst European Nazi escape justice. The whole operation was done with full knowledge of British and American intelligence. The fascist murderers were proclaimed new "freedom fighters" against the Red Flood. Many got positions in State Department (as special advisers) and other government institutions. (The files describing the operation were declasified resently. To learn more read recently published book "Unholy Trinity", by Mark Aarons and John Loftus. (Mr Loftus worked in the U.S. Justice Department in its Nazi-hunting unit).

You can easily find the book in any bookstore... (ISBN 0-312-07111-6)

And the Serbs stuck to their Christian tradition and did not seek revenge. They thought that the bloody episode will never repeat. But the Ustasha elite in South and North America, Australia, immediately started to organize dreaming of good old days...

The Serbs in many cases intermarried and started a new life. This is what the Western press calls today "the ideal multiethnicity and tolerance of ex-Communist Yugoslavia. So WHO WAS THE TOLERANT ONE? The murderer or his next door surviving victim - the Serb?

Then came collapse of the Yugoslav economy (induced by the U.S.) and the rats came back home. Under THE SAME USTASHI FLAG (and giving the same threat speaches to the remaining Serbs). Dr. Franjo Tudjman, holocaust revisionist and apologizer for Hitler - won the first elections for new "democratic" Independent State of Croatia. With good suport of money he got from the Ustasha emigration. The hell broke loose!

Today, Muslims and Croats, are once again united. They were united under Hitler. They were (forcefully!) united by Bill Clinton. Hating each other with racist passion, their only common goal is (once again) to slaughter and expel the remaining Serbs. This is done under supervision of "neutral" UN, EC, US, NATO,... Under watchful "unbiased" CNN, ABC, BBC,...

American bombers can bomd Christian children as much as they want. American media can claim whatever they damn please. The Western "intellectuals" are absorbing all the Nazi propaganda without question.

What ever happened to: COGITO ERGO SUM! (I *THINK* therefore I exist). Is the term "Western intellectual" an oxymoron? Can you please check the above quotes? Can you see the obvious?

But the last ETHNIC CLEANSING of the remaining Serbs in Croatia and one half of Bosnia-Herzegovina - was done by "democrat" BILL CLINTON with help of NATO force. At the same time the Western media had audacity to blame the Serbs for "Ethnic clensing" and even "self-cleansing"!!!!!!

It proves, once again, that a copy can never be as good as the original. ORIGINAL NAZIS WERE BETTER. At least they were honest to say, the FIRST DAY, what they planed to do with Jews, Serbs, other Slavs. Today's Nazi are covering their act calling it "democracy", "peace"...

The replica of the USTASHA FLAG FREELY FLIES in front of the United Nations.

It flies freely IN JASENOVAC, ABOVE THE MASS GRAVE OF SOME 600,000 VICTIMS. Do you see a better sarcasm!? On May 1st, 1995 Croatian army, carring Ustasha symbols and flags, broke through the UN lines. They did it at will. They did it with the knowledge and support of Washington. They flooded so called "United Nations Protected Zone - West". The Serbs were ordered by the "international community", well in advance, to disarm and put their heavy weapons under UN supervision. Just days before, under Croatian "pressure", the zones were renamed to UNCRO = United Nations Confidence Restauration Operation. What a sarcasm!!! What a crime!

Ustasha tanks went over civillians. Women and children were machinegunned. A few thousand were murdered in cold blood. The New York Times (and alike Big Brother Trumpets) praised "liberation" of part of Croatia... There was also a short note that Croatian police did not let newspapermen in for couple a days and that the whole area stunk of chlorine. The roads were hozed but still pools of blood were visible... At least, that time, for some reason, the Serbs were not blamed for that particular genocide. The front page of the New York Times carried a story of how (aledgedly) Serbs fired two rockets with cluster bombs to Zagreb. The rockets killed two people, the story says. The front page shows a body. A lady lies on the main street, face down, in chrystal clear white coat. A bus is in the background. All window panes intact. The Serbs have amazing rockets. Cluster rockets at that.

And here is the sarcastic result of NATO-Croatian-Nazi genocide of the last year: The leader of the Croatian Serbs is declaired a war criminal.... And no Croat.

Today, Nazi Croatia is the MOST ETHNICALLY PURE COUNTRY OF EUROPE. Hitler and Pavelic must be laughing in their graves.

There will be no justice in the Hague Kangaroo Court. But would there be enough room for all the souls of the "democratic West" that were the architects of the Yugoslav tragedy

BalkanBoy · September 25, 2006