Ben Lauden Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 I don't know what construction material costs are in Greece, but i'm pretty sure that the cost of labour would be alot more here in Canada. As for private boxes, I believe they will be on the west side between the two levels. At least thats what I think I heard the other night at the bar. Maybe someone else could confirm that. quote:Here's an example of a 20,000 seat stadium which will be built for around 41 million euros (That's under 60 million Canadian). It will be the new home of Larissa of the Greek first division. As you can see, all seats are covered, stands on all sides, and something like 20 private boxes. Even this is a relatively simple design (Larissa fans are actually quite upset as they were expecting something a little more avant-garde). But it just goes to show that under the proposed budget, you can definitely do better IMO than the design we have seen so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mlsintoronto Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Ben Lauden As for private boxes, I believe they will be on the west side between the two levels. At least thats what I think I heard the other night at the bar. Maybe someone else could confirm that. you are correct sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by mlsintoronto you are correct sir. Who gets the profit on those boxes? or is there a plan to share it with the city? And if the boxes remain unsold, does the taxpayer hand over some cash to make sure MLSE doesn't go hungry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGooner Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by trueviking this one was so much better: I agree, but this is the reality: Soccer is small potatos in Canada, so fancy stadiums only get built for Hockey and football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by RealGooner I agree, but this is the reality: Soccer is small potatos in Canada, so fancy stadiums only get built for Hockey and football. And usually by the people who own the teams (ACC, Bell Centre, Scotiabank Place, GM Place) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Lets not forget that Hockey in this country was only able to build those private arenas after using publicly built ones for decades. Has any CFL team built it's own stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOareaFan Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Lets not forget that Hockey in this country was only able to build those private arenas after using publicly built ones for decades. Has any CFL team built it's own stadium? Well, 2 of those 4 arenas (ACC and Bell Centre) replaced two other, ancient, privately built arenas (MLG and The Forum) and a third was a new arena built for a new team (Ottawa). Yes, Vancouver previously played in an arena owned by the public but it was built for another purpose (Empire Games) and then rented by the team just as the arenas in Edmonton (Commonwealth Games) and Calgary (Olympics) were. Has a CFL team ever built its own stadium....no. The only two I can think of, though, whose stadiums were specifically built for them (I may be wrong)were Regina and Calgary. The Dome in Vancouver was built, I think, as part of Expo and in the hope of attracting a major league baseball team. Similarly, the SkyDome was built for the Jays (with the Argos as an after thought) and the Allouettes play in a university stadium (that they themselves have been fixing up) and/or a stadium built for the Olympics. Edmonton plays in a stadium built for the Commonwealth Games. As I write this I realise that I have left out Winnipeg and Ottawa and, frankly, I have no idea why those stadiums were built. Even so, those taxpayer built stadiums (with the exception of SkyDome which has been sold into private hands a few times over) are operated on behalf of the taxpayers and any profits sit with the owners (ie. the football tenants pay rent). I guess that is a difference with the new stadium here. Predominantly built by taxpayer money and the only people who have a chance of recouping their financial investment or making a return are the minority funding partner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by speedmonk42 Lets not forget that Hockey in this country was only able to build those private arenas after using publicly built ones for decades. Has any CFL team built it's own stadium? I've said this before. But when (not if) MLSE expands there strangle hold on the Toronto sporting scene by buying the Argos and moving them to Pogey Park will they really start turning a profit on a stadium paid for by the tax payer. Hense the U shape...you can fit a 25 yard enzone in there... and then the CSA will be number 6th on the booking line-up. 1) CFL ARGOS Games 2) Concerts 3) MLS Toronto 4) Winter Bubble 5) International Soccer Events (liverpool vs santos, etc) 6) Canadain National team games Great deal for Canadian soccer. Plastic grass complete with a line every 5 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 Don't hold your breath waiting for MLSE to buy the Argos any time soon. I think Teddy is likely to have the inside track on purchasing them if they should become available. Actually on second thoughts feel free to hold your breath if you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Domi Rulezz Posted March 3, 2006 Share Posted March 3, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man I've said this before. But when (not if) MLSE expands there strangle hold on the Toronto sporting scene by buying the Argos and moving them to Pogey Park will they really start turning a profit on a stadium paid for by the tax payer. Hense the U shape...you can fit a 25 yard enzone in there... and then the CSA will be number 6th on the booking line-up. 1) CFL ARGOS Games 2) Concerts 3) MLS Toronto 4) Winter Bubble 5) International Soccer Events (liverpool vs santos, etc) 6) Canadain National team games Great deal for Canadian soccer. Plastic grass complete with a line every 5 yards. Hey look everybody! Everyone's favourite anti-soccer troll is back! And how! I gotta say, G-Man, it's hard to argue with your logic about the pecking order of things. Except for the fact that the Argos could just as easily be bought by Rogers (the other sports giant in town, who just happen to own that tax-payer white elephant stadium that you've confessed numerous masturbatory fantasies over, despite the fact that it, too, has FieldTurf). Oh, and I'm sure the winter bubble is really going to get in the way of the CSA scheduling games. Because everyone knows that soccer is a winter sport here in Canada. G-Man, I think I've figured out your celebratory ritual that you perform (by yourself, much like many other 'rituals' you've no doubt performed solo) every time you log into Voyageurs. It goes something like this: 1) Extract brain 2) Find industrial-sized KY Jelly container in night stand, which is coincidentally right next to current month's copy of "Alter Boy Monthly" 3) Lube up rear-end with said KY product 4) Insert brainless head 5) Post 'thoughts' on Voyageurs 6) Remove head from anus, wash, rinse, repeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 quote: I agree, but this is the reality: Soccer is small potatos in Canada, so fancy stadiums only get built for Hockey and football. the difference is just an overhang....62 million dollars is enough to get a stadium with an overhang...even crappy 60 year old buildings like winnipeg stadium have overhangs. since you guys are talking about, i am an architect in winnipeg who is working on a stadium project for the canada packers site here....the proposal has gained a lot of traction in recent months. we have a consultant who has worked closely with FIFA very recently, who will be helping us create a stadium that is FIFA approved...it will be field turf, of course, but it is so far a much larger project than this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by trueviking the difference is just an overhang....62 million dollars is enough to get a stadium with an overhang...even crappy 60 year old buildings like winnipeg stadium have overhangs. since you guys are talking about, i am an architect in winnipeg who is working on a stadium project for the canada packers site here....the proposal has gained a lot of traction in recent months. we have a consultant who has worked closely with FIFA very recently, who will be helping us create a stadium that is FIFA approved...it will be field turf, of course, but it is so far a much larger project than this one. Where is the money coming from, who will own/manage the facility, is it to be a soccer specific stadium or will there be lines on the fieldturf every 5 yards and what teams will use it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Ben Lauden I don't know what construction material costs are in Greece, but i'm pretty sure that the cost of labour would be alot more here in Canada. As for private boxes, I believe they will be on the west side between the two levels. At least thats what I think I heard the other night at the bar. Maybe someone else could confirm that. This is definitely the case, it is cheaper to build and you get more for your money in many European countries. I think the new Espanyol stadium will cost under 60 m Euros, and it is very attractive. Check the web of the team, http://www.rcdespanyol.com/ , go to where it says Nou Estadi, and click on Projecte. Very beautiful project with decent architectural drawings as well. I think they are looking at the 2007-08 season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 HOLY COW!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO THIS THREAD??????????????????? it is suppose to be about stadium pics, but it turns out to be a full out attack on some INITIAL blueprints, which is not FINALIZED yet. you trollers have absolutely nothing to offer, face it, you cry and cry and cry, hey Goof-Man the pacifier is here waiting for you. hey DJT, where are those so-called mods now. USELESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 4, 2006 Share Posted March 4, 2006 ohhh and from, the stadia will never take off. now you see the mighty machines moving in to create the venue, all of a sudden, it is, thats a stadium???? nooo, it is a hockey rink. huhhh. TYPICAL, TYPICAL, TYPICAL. NEVER ANYTHING STRONG TO OFFER TO A DISCUSSION. Jeffrey S., you might actually be excluded from this rant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trueviking Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 quote: is it to be a soccer specific stadium or will there be lines on the fieldturf every 5 yards and what teams will use it? of course not...it is a football stadium, the client is looking to make the complex a high level training centre for sport and wants to ensure that the pitch can be used for soccer as well....similar to molson stadium, frank clair etc....it will be a couple years before it is in the ground, so hopefully field turf will advance enough to make soccer use a reality, not just a theory as it is in ottawa and montreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 So do we assume funding is in place and confirmed i.e. not yet more wild speculation, and it will be yet another multi-use facility, not a soccer specific stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 5, 2006 Share Posted March 5, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Franky ohhh and from, the stadia will never take off. now you see the mighty machines moving in to create the venue, all of a sudden, it is, thats a stadium???? nooo, it is a hockey rink. huhhh. TYPICAL, TYPICAL, TYPICAL. NEVER ANYTHING STRONG TO OFFER TO A DISCUSSION. Jeffrey S., you might actually be excluded from this rant. Thanks, do appreciate being left out of that burst of frustration: but even so, if some can get excited about blueprints and defend them to the hilt then others have equal right to get critical about them, it goes both ways I'd say. I mean, if they don't want us to speculate just give us a nice clean rendering on a website, with some drawings, which is what every single public institution and/or sport team would do well before even starting digging. Do you mean to say that the processes of public transparency are actually worse in TO than in other democratic cities? Or is it simply that noone has found an image close to what we are going to actually get in the end? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. if some can get excited about blueprints and defend them to the hilt then others have equal right to get critical about them, it goes both ways I'd say. I think Franky was referring to the people who trolled endlessly about how Toronto would never get a stadium. Now these same people are trolling about the looks of the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 not to forget, how Goof-Man wants to masturbate in front of Kevan Pipe??? very classy, indeed. you might as well, pogey up bareback man. jeffrey s., you say it goes??? both ways??? LOL!![] i don't think it is out of frustration, i personally couldn't care most of the time. It just becomes annoying to read and revisit the same dribble, over and over and over again. when personal derogatory attacks on members or anyone in general, start flying around, yah, sometimes i think it is one's nature to come to other's defense, i don't see 'the equal right to get critical' on that part to be legit. be critical all you want, it is welcomed, but be constructive about it. you want to add sarcasm or humour, do so, but be tasteful about it. still, the funny thing about this thread is, re; toronto stadium pics (does not just have to be only Toronto's stadia) but other stadias around the world. you can add some ideas with that, in which, we as fans or even the MLSE brass could use those ideas, if feasible. Does there have to be a roof over the stadia, personally i would love one, but in this case, not to our specifications. lets get the thing built and who knows what lies in regards to additions to the stadia down the road. real grass or fake blades??? obvious choice, grow it, baby. but, if it means putting in the fake stuff to get that stadia built, then fake it, man. Again, down the road, the players, fans, even management might change their minds and convert back to real grass, all is not lost. being critical ALL THE TIME is depressing and will not get you anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 6, 2006 Share Posted March 6, 2006 yah rudi, i sort of touched on that perspective. the way i see it, is that, the trollers will nitpick this project to death and the ironic thing is, they call themselves soccer/football fans??? i could understand the McClowns and the Jerkins out there, but they too, give it a rest until something screws up in the project, ie; rising construction costs, labour disputes, schedule foul-ups, etc. now, those things are what worries me the most for a project of this magnitude, i see it toooo often. they said it wouldn't come together, well, it did. they said construction would not start, well, it did. what next?? it's too close to Lake Ontario and who will buy the tix? maybe, Goof-Man and his gay buddies or probably whatever fish remain in the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 here is Chicago's Bridgeview Stadia; http://chicago.fire.mlsnet.com/MLS/chf/stadium/bridgeview/construction/archive/ and they have built it in what??? 14 months, i guess there is hope in Toronto. sorry naysayers, anyhting is possible. enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Colorado Rapids Center set to open in 2007 with Toronto MLS/Stadia; http://www.coloradorapids.com/community/stadiumpics.asp?ID=4# enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusanBhoy Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Brickwork, roofing, attention to facades. This is all quite crushing. One solace, however, at least Union Park (or 'the shop' as we like to call it) is being built IN THE FRACKING CITY WE PLAY FOR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franky Posted March 7, 2006 Share Posted March 7, 2006 Real Salt Lake's future stadia to open in 2007 along with....yes, Toronto MLS/Stadia; http://real.saltlake.mlsnet.com/MLS/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20051012&content_id=45606&vkey=news_rsl&fext=.jsp&team=rsl i think they will still play out of Rice-Eccles Stadium to start the season then move into the brand new facility by mid-season, or something like that; http://real.saltlake.mlsnet.com/MLS/news/team_news.jsp?ymd=20060303&content_id=53130&vkey=news_rsl&fext=.jsp&team=rsl enjoy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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