Guest speedmonk42 Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 The only info I can find on it is a blurb from the impact site. It does not say when it is supposed to be finished, and I am curious if work has started on it yet. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 The latest we heard from Joey Saputo is that construction should start in mid-March. The club has been very quiet about it. In fact, the Impact have been very quiet this winter... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest speedmonk42 Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 Good to hear. I am probably moving to Montreal soon so I have some catching up to do on the Impact. I was looking on Google Earth where the stadium is going to be. Interesting spot, not too close to Metro as far as I can tell but should be good for the Island and south shore. What is the closest metro station? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxl Boy Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Bonaventure I think now, buses are going there from McGill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
10 Posted February 9, 2006 Share Posted February 9, 2006 Kind of leading off of Mpenza's (MLSE's profit vs motive) post in the mls thread....but I read that the Impact operate as a not-for-profit organization...is this true and can anyone comment on this for me? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calgary Boomer Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 quote:Originally posted by 10 Kind of leading off of Mpenza's (MLSE's profit vs motive) post in the mls thread....but I read that the Impact operate as a not-for-profit organization...is this true and can anyone comment on this for me? You're bang on. Joey's vision is very different from everyone else in the North America. Obviously he wants to break even, but his MO is to foster the game in Quebec and see it flourish, without tryint to profit from it. He wants to eventually get a youth program and a women's team going, and keep a high profile in the community. They do a lot of stuff with kids and hospitals. Class organization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 quote:Originally posted by 10 Kind of leading off of Mpenza's (MLSE's profit vs motive) post in the mls thread....but I read that the Impact operate as a not-for-profit organization...is this true and can anyone comment on this for me? So we are told, but not-for-profit in such cases does not mean the organisation does not make a profit from its operations. It means there are no private owners/shareholders who take the profit out in the form of dividends or otherwise, assuming there is a profit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante79 Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 thats one of the reasons why joe saputo doesnt wanna join the MLS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxl Boy Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 That's the point ! Instead of going in the pockets of a sherholder who will use it to build castles in Spain or whatever, the profits goes directly to the club or to the soccer community !!! Soccer profits should serve soccer, not private interests ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGooner Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy That's the point ! Instead of going in the pockets of a sherholder who will use it to build castles in Spain or whatever, the profits goes directly to the club or to the soccer community !!! Soccer profits should serve soccer, not private interests ! One size doesn't fit all. What is good for Montreal (USL, non-profit) isn't going to work for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RealGooner Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy That's the point ! Instead of going in the pockets of a sherholder who will use it to build castles in Spain or whatever, the profits goes directly to the club or to the soccer community !!! Soccer profits should serve soccer, not private interests ! One size doesn't fit all. What is good for Montreal (USL, non-profit) isn't going to work for everyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Bxl Boy That's the point ! Instead of going in the pockets of a sherholder who will use it to build castles in Spain or whatever, the profits goes directly to the club or to the soccer community !!! Soccer profits should serve soccer, not private interests ! Try preaching that to the most successful top level professional soccer clubs in the world, very few of which operate with a real profit. Indeed, many major sports organisations could not survive at the level they do without a sugardaddy with very deep pockets to prop them up financially, with a few notable exceptions of course as there always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
François Posted February 10, 2006 Share Posted February 10, 2006 The last time I checked, pro soccer was a business. The key thing with the MLS is the stadium. If the owners/operators control the revenus generated by the stadium, they 'll make more money with other activites (concerts, etc...) than with the soccer team. The stadium becomes the key to these business people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
403 Addick Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 quote:Originally posted by François The last time I checked, pro soccer was a business. The conclusion that would be made by looking at past results/endeavors is that pro-football is not very profitable or worthwhile, right? So what does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 11, 2006 Share Posted February 11, 2006 It means that pro sports provide lots of jobs but relies heavily on sponsorships and philanthropy to survive. A few operations are profitable but the vast majority break even and many lose money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard It means that pro sports provide lots of jobs but relies heavily on sponsorships and philanthropy to survive. A few operations are profitable but the vast majority break even and many lose money. Lots of jobs? please. How many jobs outside the 20 roster spots will MLS Toronto create? Most pro sport jobs are "event" jobs that pay minimum wages. If pro sports was about creating decent paying jobs it be an even worse investment than it is. The government couldn't justify wasting 70 million on a stadium if the bottom line was jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 Your ignorance of the bigger picture is beginning to show. Tell us then why the NHL strike was so devastating financially for so many people in most of the NHL cities, people not necessarilty directly employed by the clubs themselves. Certainly in Vancouver there were countless stories of hard times by people whose livelihood had been severely affected or evaporated as a result of the strike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosawa1555362267 Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard Your ignorance of the bigger picture is beginning to show. Tell us then why the NHL strike was so devastating financially for so many people in most of the NHL cities, people not necessarilty directly employed by the clubs themselves. Certainly in Vancouver there were countless stories of hard times by people whose livelihood had been severely affected or evaporated as a result of the strike. That is definitely true for hockey, and it is absolutely true for soccer in most Euro country but I doubt it is for soccer in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 12, 2006 Share Posted February 12, 2006 It may not be true for the Impact or the Lynx but certainly the Whitecaps organisation now has a fairly large direct payroll of full and part time support personnel and they are the prime tenant for the City of Burnaby owned Swangard Stadium. The economic value to the Vancouver community is growing in leaps and bounds. Whilst nobody would pretend any equivalence to an EPL or NHL club in the immediate future, certainly there would be an economic impact if the organisation were to disappear. In any event, my comment above about pro sports providing employment and being an important economic factor in their communities was made in a general sense, not just relative to Canadian USL franchises which of course in the grand scheme of things are relative small fry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard It may not be true for the Impact or the Lynx but certainly the Whitecaps organisation now has a fairly large direct payroll of full and part time support personnel and they are the prime tenant for the City of Burnaby owned Swangard Stadium. The economic value to the Vancouver community is growing in leaps and bounds. Whilst nobody would pretend any equivalence to an EPL or NHL club in the immediate future, certainly there would be an economic impact if the organisation were to disappear. In any event, my comment above about pro sports providing employment and being an important economic factor in their communities was made in a general sense, not just relative to Canadian USL franchises which of course in the grand scheme of things are relative small fry. How many full time job do the Whitecaps create a year? I ask cause I don't know...and what would the average salary be?? Also the NHL strike porved that cities do survive without NHL teams. People simply spent their money elsewhere. The only casulities where resturants that we in NHL rinks or those that sold NHL merchandise. Christ- the owner even lost less in the strike year than in a normal year. Quebec City and Winnipeg have survived nicely without a NHL team. Pro sports at best is Voodoo ecomonics and Vancouver would suffer a greater ecomomic impact if a major downtown retalier would close than when the NBA left town...or even if the canucks left town. And Toronto would be better off economically if Wal-Mart opened up a store on the site of the MLS stadium. It would create more jobs and bring in more $$ for the city in taxes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 Of course the cities survive without their NHL teams, would take more than the disappearance of the Canucks to bring Vancouver to its fiscal knees, that's a specious argument G-Man. Same with the disappearance of logging jobs in BC, the province's economy continues to thrive but those who lost their jobs are hit hard personally. You want to see how many people are on the Whitecaps payroll, just browse through the http://www.whitecapsfc.com/contact/ page and figure it out for yourself. Nobody is suggesting they employ hundreds of people, no pro sports organisation does, and nobody is suggesting any equivalence with an NHL or NFL operation either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 The world would actually get along just fine without any pro sports at all. We would also all survive on a diet of gruel and water and could all wear the same functional clothes but we chose not to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Man Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Richard The world would actually get along just fine without any pro sports at all. We would also all survive on a diet of gruel and water and could all wear the same functional clothes but we chose not to. Dear Richard, Can you tell me how many full time jobs with salaries above the poverty line does the Whitecaps create? I'm asking cause I don't know and you seem to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted February 13, 2006 Share Posted February 13, 2006 quote:Originally posted by G-Man Dear Richard, Can you tell me how many full time jobs with salaries above the poverty line does the Whitecaps create? I'm asking cause I don't know and you seem to. You can see how many people are directly involved by perusing the Whitecaps website but it's none of your or my business on what terms the Whitecaps or any other privately owned business employs their people and even less of our business what they are paid. If you met and worked with the folks who are employed and dedicated to making the club a success as I do instead of shooting off your mouth in a chat forum, you would very quickly change your attitude. The fact remains, the Whitecaps business provides jobs on and off the field both directly and indirectly. Why do you have so much difficulty grasping and accepting that fact. Finally, if I knew the answer to your question (and you have no idea whether I do or I don't) I would certainly not post it on a public internet forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegasAlexandros1555362277 Posted February 14, 2006 Share Posted February 14, 2006 Shall we get back on topic discussing Saputo Stadium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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