The Ref Posted December 14, 2005 Share Posted December 14, 2005 It seems all the front line of Canada's U-20 was either not invited to camp or players decided to decline represent their country. If the team with all new players stumbles in Mexico, it will be another big blow for the women program. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 17, 2005 Share Posted December 17, 2005 Canadian Soccer Association Friday, December 16, 2005 U20 Teams Name Training Camp Squads Dale Mitchell and Ian Bridge Ottawa, Ontario – Both of Canada’s U20 National Teams have named their respective rosters for upcoming training camps in late 2005. However, both head coaches are certainly looking to achieve different things when their squads convene next week. Dale Mitchell, Canada’s Men’s U20 Head Coach, has announced a squad of 16 players that will meet for a brief training stint in Vaughan, ON from December 18-23, 2005. The team will play two scrimmages during that period – December 21 against Seneca College and on December 23 against the University of Toronto. Both matches will be played at the Soccer Centre in Vaughan. Mitchell has targeted this camp to have a specific look at players available in Eastern Canada. 'Any time we can get our players together and work with them we want to take advantage of that, and get as much out of it as possible,” said Mitchell. “This camp in Toronto will allow us to continue to work with some of the players from our last trip to England and assess some new boys from Eastern Canada.” Mitchell also added that “preparations for 2007 will continue in early January 2006 with our participation in the Chivas Cup in Guadalajara, Mexico.' The Chivas Cup will take place from January 7-14, 2006 with the Canadians setting up camp from January 2nd. The draw and fixture list for the tournament has not been completed. Unlike Mitchell, Canada’s U20 Women’s Head Coach, Ian Bridge, has more pressing concerns. Bridge will assemble his team in Ft. Lauderdale, FL from December 28 to January 8, 2006 and is preparing for the U20 Women’s CONCACAF Qualifying Tournament that is scheduled to take place ten days after his training camp ends. Therefore, it is expected that Bridge will not only have to make some final decisions regarding his squad during the training camp in Ft. Lauderdale, but will have to make sure that this group is prepared for what they will face in Mexico shortly afterward. 'This is of course a very important preparation camp for the team just before CONCACAF qualifying - less than two weeks after this camp finishes,” said Bridge. “With those time lines, I don’t see many changes - if at all - between this squad and the squad that will go to Mexico and try to win the first ever CONCACAF U20 Women’s Championship.” A quick glance at Bridge’s team gives a clear illustration of the experience and depth available - a point that is certainly not lost on the 46 year-old. “Team play, formations, patterns and details will be a big focus for us in Florida. What will certainly help is the fact that we have 11 players at this camp who were on the U19 team that qualified for Thailand in 2004, so I think we have players who know how to compete and how to win.” Bridge was also quick to point out that the steady flow of young, talented Canadian women that we have grown accustomed to seeing, has not dried-up. “But as with earlier teams, we also have some exciting young talents mixed-in amongst the group that are learning fast and are pushing the 'veterans' - if you can call 19 year-olds veterans.' CONCACAF has recently released the fixtures for the upcoming U20 Women’s Qualifying Tournament. The eight-team tournament, which will qualify three CONCACAF nations to the 2006 FIFA Women’s U-20 World Championship in Russia from August 16 – September 2, will be played at the Estadio Rafael Murillo Vidal and Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes in the cities of Córdoba and Veracruz, respectively. Canada, the defending CONCACAF champion, has been grouped with tournament host, Mexico, along with Panama and Trinidad & Tobago in Group A. Meanwhile, Group B has El Salvador, alongside the USA, Jamaica, and Surinam. The Group A matches will take place at the Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes, while the Estadio Rafael Murillo Vidal will stage the first round Group B fixtures. The winners and runners-up of each group will earn a place in the event’s semifinals at Veracruz’s Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes on January 25, with the winners of the semifinal games earning a place as CONCACAF representatives in FIFA’s U-20 Women’s World Championship. CONCACAF’s third spot in the FIFA event will be determined by a third-place play-off game between the two losing semifinalists at the Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes on January 27, before the two finalists meet for the CONCACAF Women’s U-20 crown later in the day. Roster – Canada U20 Men’s National Team # Pos. Name Club DOB Hometown Prov 1 GK CATLEY, Adam Hartwick College (USA) 19-Dec-87 Burlington ON 2 D OLIVEIRA, Kyle National Training Centre - Ontario 4-Mar-88 Oakville ON 3 D LUMLEY, Stephen National Training Centre - Ontario 16-Apr-87 Mississauga ON 4 D ATTAKORA-GYAN, Nana National Training Centre - Ontario 27-Mar-89 Orangeville ON 5 D GALA, Gabriel National Training Centre - Ontario 29-Jun-89 Brampton ON 6 M GRAY, A.J. National Training Centre - Ontario 12-Apr-87 Brampton ON 7 D OWUSU-ANSAH, Kennedy National Training Centre - Ontario 20-Jul-89 Toronto ON 8 D/M AWUAKYE, Joseph National Training Centre - Ontario 21-Jan-88 Scarborough ON 9 F LAMMIE, Selvin (Shane) National Training Centre - Ontario 3-Aug-88 Toronto ON 10 F JOHNSON, Will Chicago Fire (USA) 21-Jan-87 Woodridge IL 11 F REVIVO, Daniel Winthrop University 23-Mar-87 Richmond Hill ON 12 D JONKE, John University of Louisville 20-Jan-87 Pickering ON 13 M BALDE, Ibrahim National Training Centre - Quebec 24-Dec-87 Montreal QC 14 M BABINEAU, Olivier University of Montreal 12-Jul-87 Dieppe NB 15 M GAUDET, Derek National Training Centre - Atlantic 14-May-89 Bayside NS 20 GK BUXTON, Kyle National Training Centre - Ontario 20-Jan-90 Stratford ON Staff MITCHELL, Dale - Head Coach DASOVIC, Nick - Assistant Coach MULDOON, Kevin - Equipment Manager/GK Coach BATE, Richard - Technical Director NUTT, Dave - National Teams Administrator Matches December 21, 2005 @ 11:00 Local Time vs. Seneca College The Soccer Centre – Vaughan, ON December 23, 2006 @ 10:00 Local Time vs. University of Toronto The Soccer Centre – Vaughan, ON Roster – Canada U20 Women’s National Team Player Pos. DOB Caps* G/S* Club Hometown Adams, Paige F 02/06/90 0 0 Coquitlam City Port Coquitlam, BC Alexander, Molly M 01/11/86 0 0 Washington State University Vancouver, BC Beckles, Vonya D/M 04/10/89 0 0 Albert Campbell Collegiate Scarborough, ON Cicchini, Amanda M 02/28/87 13 1 Toronto Lady Lynx/West Virginia Univ. Oakville, ON Collison, Lisa F 10/02/86 8 1 Ohio State Niagara Falls, On Hingwing, Eden D 06/11/88 0 0 NTC-BC Burnaby, BC Iacchelli, Selenia M 06/05/86 15 2 University of Nebraska Edmonton, AB Jamani, Aysha F 06/28/87 14 11 University of Nebraska Calgary, AB Kyle, Kaylen M 10/10/88 0 0 NTC-P Saskatoon, SK Labbe, Stephanie GK 10/10/86 4 0 University of Connecticut Stoney Plain, AB Maranda, Véronique M 08/18/86 14 4 U. of Tennessee Saint-Lambert, QC McNulty, Erin GK 06/03/89 0 0 NTC-P Winnipeg, MB Radchuck, Katie D 02/27/86 16 0 University of Connecticut Halifax, NS Robinson, Jodi-Ann F 04/17/89 12 3 NTC-BC/Semiahmoo Spirit Richmond, BC Rushton, Robin D 01/02/87 0 0 Toronto Lady Lynx/West Virginia U. Toronto, ON Schmidt, Sophie M 06/28/88 5 0 Vancouver Whitecaps / Surrey United Abbotsford, BC Scott, Desiree F 07/31/87 0 0 University of Manitoba Winnipeg, MB Sleiman, Rhreanne F 09/26/89 0 0 NTC-BC North Vancouver, BC Vanderpool, Caroline M 07/15/86 2 0 Louisiana State Montreal, QC Zurrer, Emily F/D 07/12/87 11 3 U. of Illinois / Vancouver Whitecaps Crofton, BC *Caps, Goals, and Shutouts listed above are for U19 matches only. U20 International Matches have not taken place yet Staff Ian Bridge - Head coach Bob Birarda - Assistant coach Shel Brodsgaard - GK Coach Kristin Houghton - Doctor Cassandra Zinkowski - Athletic Therapist Anne Pellerud - Manager Even Pellerud - Director of women’s program CONCACAF U20 Women’s Qualifying Tournament Group A Canada Mexico (Host) Panama Trinidad & Tobago Group B El Salvador Jamaica Surinam USA January 18, 2006 @ 12:00 Local Time vs. Trinidad & Tobago Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico January 20, 2006 @ 12:00 Local Time vs. Panama Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico January 22, 2006 @ 15:00 Local Time vs. Mexico Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico Semi-Finals January 25, 2006 @ 12:00 – 1st Group A vs. 2nd Group B January 25, 2006 @ 15:00 – 1st Group B vs. 2nd Group A Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico 3rd and 4th Place Game January 27, 2006 @ 12:00 – Loser Semi-Final 1 vs. Loser Semi-Final 2 Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico Final January 27, 2006 @ 15:00 – Winner Semi-Final 1 vs. Winner Semi-Final 2 Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes – Veracruz, Mexico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harley84 Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly “Team play, formations, patterns and details will be a big focus for us in Florida. Can someone explain what "formations" is all about? I fail to understand it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted December 28, 2005 Author Share Posted December 28, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Harley84 Can someone explain what "formations" is all about? I fail to understand it. I think he is talking about systems of play. I.e. 4-4-2 or 4-3-3 or 3-5-2, etc. The first number represents the number of defenders, the middle number are the midfielders and the last number are the number of forwards. The Goalkeeper is never indicated as it is understood there is always 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocket Robin Posted January 11, 2006 Share Posted January 11, 2006 TORONTO LADY LYNX MEDIA RELEASE FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE PAIR OF LADY LYNX HEADING TO MEXICO FOR U-20 WC QUALIFYING Tuesday, January 10, 2006 (TORONTO, ON) - The on-field success of the inaugural 2005 Lady Lynx season is being recognized with a pair of Lady Lynx players selected to represent Canada at the upcoming U-20 World Cup Qualifying tournament in Mexico being held from January 18-27. The Candian line-up will be bolstered by the presense of Amanda Cicchini and Robin Rushton from the Toronto Lady Lynx. Both players missed significant time during the 2005 Lady Lynx season as a result of National Team Duty and injury but were exceptional in the playoffs helping the club make it to the Eastern Conference final while playing every minute of each playoff game. Amanda Cicchini appeared in 6 regular season games, as well as in all 3 playoff games during the 2005 Lady Lynx season earning 1 goal and 3 assists. Cicchini has made 13 appearances for the U-20 program scoring 1 goal, in addition to earning 4 caps with the Canadian Women's World Cup team. Robin Rushton who played in 8 regular season games, in addition to all 3 playoff games, was a defensive standout for the Lady Lynx while contributing an assist on the offensive side of things. Rushton has been a member of the National Training Centre Ontario Program for several years and this trip to Mexico will provide her with the first opportunity to earn a cap at the U-20 level. Amanda and Robin are also team-mates on the West Virginia University Soccer Team where they both started in all 19 of the Mountaineers matches helping the team to a 11-5-3 record and the second round of the NCAA tournament before bowing out to Penn State University and fellow Lady Lynx player Holly Lincoln. FIFA has recently changed the Women’s U-19 World Championship format to an U-20 tournament and as a result several Canadian "veterans" from the 2004 campaign, including Cicchini, are looking forward for the opportunity to make up for the disappointment of Thailand, where Canada lost 3-1 to China in the quarter-finals. Canada's keeper was red-carded and China was awarded a penalty in the opening minute.Canada played almost the entire game with only 10 players. CONCACAF (Confederation Of North Central American And Caribbean Association Football) qualifying matches will take place in Mexico later this month as follows: Group A Canada, Mexico (host), Panama, Trinidad & Tobago Group B El Salvador, Jamaica, Surinam, U.S.A. The winners and runners-up of each group qualify for the semi-finals. The two semi-final winners automatically qualify and the two semi-final losers play off to qualify for the third CONCACAF spot in the World Championships. The FIFA U-20 Women’s World Championships is being held in Russia from August 17th to September 3rd. Canada's schedule (local time) is as follows: Group A: Veracruz, MEXICO; Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes January 18, 2006 CANADA – TRINIDAD & TOBAGO (12:00) January 20, 2006 PANAMA – CANADA (12:00) January 22, 2006 MEXICO – CANADA (15:00) January 25, 2006 Veracruz, MEXICO; Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes SEMIFINALS * A1 – B2 (12:00) B1 – A2 (15:00) January 27, 2006 Veracruz, MEXICO; Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes THIRD PLACE: SEMIFINAL LOSERS (12:00) FINAL: SEMIFINAL WINNERS (15:00) –30 – FOR MORE INFORMATION, CONTACT: MIKE LEBLANC - DIRECTOR OF OPERATIONS, TORONTO LYNX SOCCER CLUB 416-251-4625 ext. 23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karalang_15 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Do you think that They have a chance to go to mexico and win? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 17, 2006 Author Share Posted January 17, 2006 quote:Originally posted by karalang_15 Do you think that They have a chance to go to mexico and win? I think they will qualify in Mexico. Once in Russia, that will be much tougher and will tell who is physically and mentaly better prepared. I would not be surprised if there are some wholesale changes to the roster going to Russia in a few months. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karalang_15 Posted January 17, 2006 Share Posted January 17, 2006 Yes i think it will be alot tougher also. Yes after he see how they take the pressure of a real game and working together as a team i will not be surprised if he switches a few players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 with 3 teams going to the world cup. Canada would most likely be one of the teams. skill wise Mexico is superior to Canada. I wont be surprise if Mexico finish second. Canada's problem when playing a qualifying tournament that early in the yr has always been fitness and since we tend to favor a physical approach instead of finess a lack of match fitness a good passing team would make us suffer. as for goal difference Mexico's approach will be able to create more opportunities and will be able to know more what to do with the space given to them by a lesser team than Canada can. it would be interesting to know how Canada's passing game has progressed or is it that we will still present a one dimentional game relying mainly on set plays and long hopeful ball to create danger in the penalty box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted January 18, 2006 Share Posted January 18, 2006 Skill wise, Mexico is superior to Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 18, 2006 Author Share Posted January 18, 2006 Mexico 10 Panama 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Good start. Wednesday, January 18, 2006 Canada Cruises Past Soca Warriors Captain Sophie Schmidt leads Canada to victory Ottawa, Ontario – Canada’s U20 Women’s National Team began its road to the FIFA U-20 Women’s World Championship by doing just what was expected of them today when they dispatched of Trinidad and Tobago 7-1 in Veracruz, Mexico. Canada almost found themselves down a goal inside the opening ten minutes when an indirect free kick from the top of the Canadian area sailed untouched into the back of the net. But the Panamanian referee correctly waved off the goal immediately. The scare of going a goal down seemed to awaken the Canadians and shortly after, Lisa Collison started things rolling when she received a quickly taken free kick from the always clever Veronique Maranda and coolly slid her shot past the T&T ‘keeper for the opener. Maranda, Aysha Jamani and Jodi-Ann Robinson then stretched the lead to four when they found the back of the net thrice in twelve minutes, virtually dashing any hopes the Soca Warriors had of stealing points in the tournament opener. But it was Maranda’s goal that drew the most attention. The University of Tennessee midfielder coaxed two T&T defenders toward her near the end-line, just outside the penalty area, then spun the first and chipped the ball just beyond the second. Before either could react, the St-Lambert native slammed her shot into the upper corner to the approval of everyone at the ground. Though Trinidad & Tobago grabbed a goal back from the penalty spot in minute 57, the Canadians tacked on another three goals courtesy of two second half substitutes. Kaylen Kyle reignited Canada’s offense in minute 78, and the pacy Rheanne Sleiman rounded off the contest with a brace in the final eight minutes. “An energizing, offensive start to the tournament” was the way Canadian Head Coach Ian Bridge described the opener. “We utilized our quick passing and our fast thinking strikers today and probably should have scored more than seven goals. “Trinidad & Tobago challenged us with their pace and athleticism as well as a more direct approach in attack, but as long as we can continue to improve game to game, this young squad will be hard to beat.” In the second Group A match, Mexico hammered Panama 10-0. Canada will now prepare for its second match of the opening round against Panama on Friday, January 20 while tournament host-Mexico entertain Trinidad & Tobago in the second match of the day. Wednesday, January 18, 2006 CONCACAF Women’s U-20 Final Round Qualification Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes Veracruz, Mexico CANADA – 7 (4) TRINIDAD & TOBAGO – 1 (0) Goals: CANADA – Collison 17, Maranda 23, Jamani 29, Robinson 35, Kyle 78, Sleiman 82, 90; TRINIDAD & TOBAGO – Douglas 59 (pen) Cautions: CANADA – Maranda 55, Kyle 88; TRINIDAD & TOBAGO – unavailable 25 Expulsions – none CANADA: 1-Stephanie Labbe; 3-Sophie Schmidt (capt); 4-Caroline Vanderpool; 7-Jodi-Ann Robinson (6-Kaylen Kyle, 65); 8-Véronique Maranda; 10-Amanda Cicchini; 11-Desiree Scott; 14-Aysha Jamani (5-Emily Zurrer, 87); 16-Paige Adams; 18-Eden Hingwing; 19-Lisa Collison (13-Rheanne Sleiman, 65) Head Coach: Ian Bridge (CAN) Subs not used: 2-Katie Radchuck; 9-Selenia Iacchelli; 12-Robin Rushton; 15-Kara Lang; 17-Molly Alexander; 20-Erin McNulty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 Hmmmm, Lang an unused sub. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elaine Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by sstackho Hmmmm, Lang an unused sub. Kara isn't with the team yet, she's arriving on the weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by Elaine Kara isn't with the team yet, she's arriving on the weekend. Why the special concesion? Are players now allowed to pick and choose games and arrivals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by The Ref Why the special concesion? Are players now allowed to pick and choose games and arrivals? In the first post of this thread, you lamented that all of our top strikers are excluded and what a blow it would be to our program if we did not perform well. Now you are asking why a special concession was made to, arguably, our best player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 19, 2006 Author Share Posted January 19, 2006 That is correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted January 19, 2006 Share Posted January 19, 2006 quote:Originally posted by The Ref That is correct. All-righty then. Thanks for keeping a good close eye on the goings-on of our U20s. By the way, anyone know what happened to Sydney Leroux? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Spiers Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Game 2 - looks like 6-0 Canada over Panama - from the Mexicana FA web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Thursday, January 20, 2005 Canada Blanks Panama 6-0 Jodi-Ann Robinson Scores Hat trick Ottawa, Ontario – Canada’s U20 Women’s National Team continued their defense of the CONCACAF title with a 6-0 win over Panama in the opening round of Women’s U20 CONCACAF Qualifying in Veracruz, Mexico. Canada defeated Trinidad and Tobago 7-1 on Wednesday. Canadian forward, Aysha Jamani started the rout in the seventh minute and doubled her tally in the 50th minute. Leading the Canadian assault was Richmond, BC native, Jodi-Ann Robinson. The striker netted a hat trick with goals in the 17, 72, and 79th minutes. Eden Hingwing of Burnaby, BC scored her first international goal in the 28th minute. Canada will play their last game of the first round on Sunday, January 22nd against host-Mexico. "Like the T&T game, we had a lot of chances that could have easily meant more goals,” said Canadian Head Coach Ian Bridge. “It's a tad frustrating not to have scored more because there's a chance that our group could be decided by goal difference. But in the end, we secured the three points and will now look to get all three points from the Mexico game on Sunday." "But, I must say that I was much happier with the way our defence played today. We didn't allow a single goal chance in the entire match and if we can carry that type of play into Sunday, I'll be happy." Canada will play their last game of the first round on Sunday, January 22nd against host-Mexico. Friday, January 20, 2006 CONCACAF Women’s U-20 Final Round Qualification Estadio Luis Pirata Fuentes Veracruz, Mexico CANADA – 6 (3) PANAMA – 0 (0) Goals: CANADA – Jamani (7, 50), Robinson (17, 72, 79), Hingwing (28) Cautions: - none Expulsions – none CANADA: 20-Erin McNulty; 3-Sophie Schmidt ©; 4-Caroline Vanderpool; 7-Jodi-Ann Robinson; 8-Veronique Maranda (6-Kaylen Kyle, 60); 10-Amanda Cicchini; 11-Desiree Scott; 14-Aysha Jamani; 16-Paige Adams; 18-Eden Hingwing (5-Emily Zurrer, 80); 19-Lisa Collison (13-Reanner Sleiman, 70) Head Coach: Ian Bridge Subs not used: 1-Stephanie Labbe; 2-Katie Radchuck; 9-Selenia Iacchelli; 12-Robin Rushton; 15-Kara Lang; 17-Molly Alexander Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 So our u20 girls advance to the final round. Depending on the result of their next game, which is against the hosts Mexico, will determine if finishing 1st or 2nd. That result will affect who they play first in the final round. Things have been going well for coach Bridge, but from now on they will be playing winning teams, rather than 'also runs'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 That's the way the cookie crumbles Ref. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Mexico only beat T&T 2-0. They score two within 17 minutes, but that's all they can muster. Interestingly enough, that leaves both Canada and Mexico on a +12 goal differential. Presumably the next tiebreaker would be goals scored, and Canada have one more than Mexico, so a draw would see the girls win their group if my understanding is correct. Second place in the group will most likely face the US in the semifinals. The two semifinal winners qualify for Russia, along with the winner of the 3rd place match between the semifinal losers. So there's a lot of value in finishing first in the group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Canada defeats Mexico 3-2 to win the group. Lang with one goal and Schmidt with two. The semifinals are Wednesday. Their opponent will be determined tomorrow, but it looks most likely to be Jamaica. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 But I thought Mexico were more talented than Canada? And, I read they had made poor lineup decisions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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