Fury players on american ODP team

[dalglish07]

In talking about development etc. There are 3 Fury players on the ODP team for the US. None have had trials with Canadian Provincial and National teams but are deemed good enough to get a chance with the Americans. They are all dual citizens. Why is it that these players aren't even given a trial or looked at but they are good enough to get a shot for the americans? Makes about zero sense to me.

Go to the link below and see New England U17 and U16:

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?m2.197148:gp:298307.7573:72016+L3/Display+E+126+96971+108625

if this link does not work follow from here:

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/home/109200.html

Congrats to the Fury boys!

[jordan]

you should see that ken caceros play, when i was leaving highschool he may have been grade 8 or 9 and the crap he could do with the ball made your jaw drop

[Kelly]

quote:Originally posted by dalglish07

In talking about development etc. There are 3 Fury players on the ODP team for the US. None have had trials with Canadian Provincial and National teams but are deemed good enough to get a chance with the Americans. They are all dual citizens. Why is it that these players aren't even given a trial or looked at but they are good enough to get a shot for the americans? Makes about zero sense to me.

Go to the link below and see New England U17 and U16:

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/scripts/runisa.dll?m2.197148:gp:298307.7573:72016+L3/Display+E+126+96971+108625

if this link does not work follow from here:

http://supery.uslsoccer.com/home/109200.html

Congrats to the Fury boys!

It may have more to do with the fact that the Fury dissuade players form attending provincial camps evaluations and even participating on teams.

There are a few Ottawa girls playing provincially and I know of one playing nationally that do not participate with the Ottawa Fury, they play for other locals clubs.

I went to the Fury presentation for their 2006 programs and they’re really starting to push the idea of the club being a vehicle to get a scholarship down south. The Academy program is 190 a month and the SYL is now at 265 a month for 12 months.

As one parent whose child started with the EDOSA and then went Fury for 3 years said “I could have paid for my kids education with what I spent with the Fury”

The idea of a club having exclusivity in developing qualities players becomes hollow when “lesser” clubs have still can produce players of NCAA quality or even national program quality.

I await the attacks…

[jaydog2006]

Good for them no wounder our national team is so weak.

[dalglish07]

The idea of a club having exclusivity in developing qualities players becomes hollow when “lesser” clubs have still can produce players of NCAA quality or even national program quality.

So, if Derby County and Notts County produce 2-3 England players and Manchester United the same, does that mean that Man U is on the same level as these clubs? What about Crewe Alexandria? Just because a club produces a player or two does not make them as a club better than another. It will happen, one club can not produce all the players.

It sounds like you have a very narrow view of soccer and little to no background outside of your son or daughters experience. Another question I have is was your son or daughter cut from the Fury? You sound bitter. Did you ever play?

[Guest Ed]

This is absolutely outrageous. These traitors should immediately report to the National and Provincial programs. With the CBC lockout still in effect, they can watch a few hours of Coronation Street to get them up to speed on the "On yer Bike"s and other such strategic coaching terms they may not have heard before.

[Richard]

The Fury offer a product at a published price. Consumers are free to buy or walk away. If you buy and the product doesn't suit you, then don't renew next year. If enough people are dissatisfied the operation will go out of business, clearly that is not happening.

There is so much more to SYL participation and intensive training and development in soccer (or any other sport for that matter) than winning an NCAA scholarship or making a national team. Kelly disregards all of this and seems to bear a heavy resentment for anybody who operates a soccer based business. There will on occasion be brilliant players who rise to the top without any specialised training and development, just trundling through the local club system with parent volunteers as coaches. Taking a youngster through a program such as that offered by the Fury merely increases the odds of success, it guarantees nothing and I'll wager the Fury will tell you exactly the same thing.

[dalglish07]

Well said Richard. I agree 100%. It's to bad that the Fury couldn't be free to kids as European academies are to kids but that is the environment we live in. I appreciate your comments.

I imagine the Whitecaps are similar as they also run SYL programs.

[Richard]

The Whitecaps are no different, their programs are costly and time consuming relative to the average amateur youth club but the experience is obviously considered worthwhile by players and parents alike as their program continues to grow, whether or not the 'graduates' earn NCAA/CIS scholarships or become professional athletes. Some people just enjoy and thrive on the added challenge and higher level of intensity and competition that comes with such programs.

In my experience, having had a son benefit from both the Ontario and British Columbia Provincial All-Star programs (which were not free by any means) and spend all his teen years being worked hard in the national youth player pool, the intensive training and overall development that he benefited from with the soccer programs helped build his character, helped him apply himself at university and with post grad studies then win him an excellent job in industry. There was no SYL back then and few academies. He is no longer playing but he doesn't regret any of his soccer exertions and neither do I the time and expense. I suspect in his case as with many such youngsters, there is something of the chicken and egg syndrome in that it is generally the driven kids that thrive on challenge and competition that enjoy the intense academy style soccer programs and go on to do well in life generally. It certainly doesn't suit everybody.

[G-Man]

Sounds like those that defend the USL youth run programs (re: profit based) seem to fit in the same boat of those CBC types who think that the CBC is the voice of all intelligent life in Canada and anyone who disagrees are idiots.

The problem with pay as go programs is that they fail to attract those that cannot pay. I hate to see a Canadian National team based on parent’s income. We’re pretty suburban as it is.

I think we should be looking south rather than across the pond when it comes to developing our future stars. The USL is seen as a joke down there and so is the SYL. Name me one SYL team that has won its state championship? In cities like Washington and Boston the rep it has is, is that it's for rich kids who can’t make the local premier leagues.

The vast majority of American players are still developed by local city clubs and by a FREE high school system complimented by a University system where players play and go to school for FREE.

I'm personally against paid youth coaches. As Richard points out there is so much more to the game's experience than money or the end result. Coaches take away just as mush warm fuzzies from coaching, as do they players receive. It's priceless.

And I’m sure the Fury TD like other TD’s across this country is making over 50K a year…it's sad that Canada's long volunteer tradition is being sold out for a few. I wonder how many local youth TD's not associated with a pro club in England or Holland pull down that kind of coin?

MOney! it's a drag. Soccer is the new hockey. And that's why there is such a huge drop out at 14. It's not about fuzzies, it's about TD's and coaches trying to make a living off of kids. Cause they're aren't enough pro jobs to suffice.

[Guest Jeffery S.]

Could anyone give us an idea of how well the teams that are more expensive to play for as youth do against other teams in their respective leagues.

Obviously, if the Fury youth are beating everyone else around them, or are near the top, you could argue that they are better, and that may have to do with what they are paying for.

Another way to put this question: do strong clubs with costly youth programs ever say no to a kid because he is a dud on the field? And if so, from what age on, what is the cut-off point where being competitive or talented or promising is more important than what your parents are willing to pay to the club to keep you there?

[G-Man]

quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S.

Could anyone give us an idea of how well the teams that are more expensive to play for as youth do against other teams in their respective leagues.

Obviously, if the Fury youth are beating everyone else around them, or are near the top, you could argue that they are better, and that may have to do with what they are paying for.

Another way to put this question: do strong clubs with costly youth programs ever say no to a kid because he is a dud on the field? And if so, from what age on, what is the cut-off point where being competitive or talented or promising is more important than what your parents are willing to pay to the club to keep you there?

If you have a U-18 team that needs 16 players to make it work, you keep 16 players no matter what. I doubt you would tell 4 kids that they had zero chance to make the PDL/USL1/NCAA team to stay at home and let the team die or use call ups from the U-17 team to round it out. In the Fury case they be out 12k (4 players x 3K) in operating budget. So much for the coach being paid.

When you think about...do you really think that their are 40 kids on the U-15 and U-16 teams SYL teams that will do anywhere with the sport? If the clubs were soley interested in developing the elite of the elite, they'd only have a U-16 and not a U-16 and a U-15 team. They'd only have a U-18 team and not a U-18 and U-17 team.

AT 15, you can cut the deadwood and by not doing so to simply to fill roster spots harms your reputation and says what to those with the talent to make it...

As Richard says, we''l see in a few years when all those kids paying big bucks hit the end of those programs and look back and ask whether it was worth it.

Results will vary.

[Richard]

I can't speak for other SYL programs but from what I have seen the Whitecaps are quite selective about who is accepted into their program, there are more kids who want in than can be accepted. Duds just don't make it no matter how wealthy their parents. I have also watched SYL league games and those I have seen were played at a higher level of skill and intensity than the local top level youth rep leagues with amateur clubs and coaches. But just as there are poor quality USL clubs, so no doubt there are poorer quality SYL programs and academies and those looking to spend a lot of money should do some research first.

I am not a particular advocate of the SYL program or the for-profit soccer academy industry. I am very pleased however to see a much broader range of options and choices open to young players and their parents now than existed even 10 years ago. Just as one selects an automobile that suits one's needs and budget, so can one now select a soccer program and that can only be good for the game.

[Bill Ault]

quote:Originally posted by G-Man

Name me one SYL team that has won its state championship?

Just a point of order there were three (and maybe four) state champs in the NE U17 Girls Division this year.

[G-Man]

quote:Originally posted by Bill Ault

Just a point of order there were three (and maybe four) state champs in the NE U17 Girls Division this year.

Bill, can you point to some links to verify this? It's my understanding that most SYL teams are formed much like all-stars teams to fill a gap between club and high school soccer.

I'm sure they're are very good players on these teams. Just as there are with the Lynx, Fury and Whitecaps.

[Bill Ault]

quote:Originally posted by G-Man

Bill, can you point to some links to verify this? It's my understanding that most SYL teams are formed much like all-stars teams to fill a gap between club and high school soccer.

www.gotsoccer.com does rankings for the youth teams and also tells you how different teams did in different competitions including their state cups. Also I coached in this division this year and know through conversations with coaches and parents three were state cup champs - one I can't be sure of because sometimes they use a different team name in the league and state cup (who knows why). When we played in the SYL finals last season I believe we faced two state champs and this season at the US Club SOccer National Finals two more.

Granted not every SYL team is a world beater as in any league but overall the competition is strong and I've enjoyed the experience and challenge as a coach over the past three seasons. This season looking forward to a new challenge with the young un's.

[Bill Ault]

quote:Originally posted by Kelly

It may have more to do with the fact that the Fury dissuade players form attending provincial camps evaluations and even participating on teams.

The Fury have had at least one player in the provincial program each of the three years the SYL teams have been in existance including the team captains of the girls teams in 2003 and 04. There have also been a number of players involved in the NTC program in Montreal over those three seasons.

[Jason]

I'm in favour of the development of club soccer in Canada. If the model the Fury uses is financially feasible, I don't really have a problem with it. I've maintained for a long time that Canada needs some strong clubs to drive the agenda of soccer in this country. Yhe Impact and Whitecaps are probably two of the strongest clubs in recent memory and the Fury are building momentum.

I'd like to see kids that can't afford it get a chance. Hopefully at some point there will be "scholarships" for these players to join clubs. I know if I was the president of the Fury, I would make sure that I would ask any alumni who makes it to the pros to contribute to a scholarship fund that would subsidize players who can't afford the Fury program.

Jason