dbailey62 Posted September 18, 2005 Share Posted September 18, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Richard What an ass the man is! You're flattering him. db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 Amazing how a thread on Canadian soccer publications can change it's course and the discussion's focus starts to center on it's all about yours truly. What's the big deal in coming forth and saying; "Hey Voyageurs, it costs me approximately $1,600 (a randomly picked amount) to put out an issue of WFPs. Wooo, big secret financial information, hey? So assuming this figure is a close ballpark figure, were looking at just under $20,000 for 12 issues. Allow a $30,000 a year income for the Madman, and the paper would need to generate in the neighbourhood of $50,000 a year to be a going concern. Obviously, Chris was not able to earn this from the combined revenues derived from advertising and the sales of the publication itself. So if Chris is unwilling to accept small offers, what is it he is exactly looking for? A sugardaddy in the forms of either Mr. Kerfoot or the PCSL because it only makes sense to do so from Chris' perspective? Does Man. U. support small publications? Or any other major soccer club for that matter? Or if their so inclined to do so, don't they publish on their own? If you go out into the business world to sell a product, you better have something of quality to sell, or you'll run out of money? This is the ultimate bottom line for WFP. What was produced was not purchased by enough to support the venture. Market studies were quiet clearly never conducted and consequently a viable market was never developed. I understand Chris' unwillingness to examine the failings of WFP from other perspectives, that is why he went under. I don't understand why my sensitive investigation offends and instigates those less sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Robert Amazing how a thread on Canadian soccer publications can change it's course and the discussion's focus starts to center on it's all about yours truly. Has it not occurred to you to wonder why that is, it happens almost every time you get involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 19, 2005 Author Share Posted September 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Richard Has it not occurred to you to wonder why that is, it happens almost every time you get involved. What baffles me is why are you so concerned about it? Don't you have anything better to do, like maybe looking for some forgotten bank accounts that you might be able to pilledge? Need I disclose more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 What's pilledge? Robert is funny... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Robert What baffles me is why are you so concerned about it? In most instances I could care less about your meaningless ramblings Robert but several of your posts about WFP have been positively damaging to either the paper or Chris personally if left unremarked and you have zero appreciation of that fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I am not concerned about the financial affairs of World Football Pages magazine or how they run their business. I like to receive the monthly magazine and read about soccer in B.C., Canada and the world. I find it informative, entertaining and inexpensive. There are many ways to support such a publication, but this thread, with some exceptions, has turned out to be a condemnation of the editor's practices, ideology and vision. I really hope that many of us, perhaps in a quiet way, can give WFP some encouragement and well deserved support. After all our national teams, men, women, boys and girls seem to be doing better than ever. Would it not be nice to be able to read a publication with all these news and progress being made? Without it we got nothing, except for a variety of opinions in forums and some late news from the CSA. In summary I pledge my support to Chris in his endevours and I challenge the rest of the Voyageur community, including moderators, to do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 You know Chris, I am 100% in your corner and greatly enjoy the mag you've put out. But I do think that maybe Robert has a point regarding issue 57 - that is, while long term solutions and stable finacials have to be your goal, these sorts of things may be marginally easier if your mag is a going concern versus in hiatus. Its a perception thing really but it seems to make a difference. I would suggest that if you can find a few people willing to float the next issue, well and fully aware of the risks, then take it. Of course, not if it comes with conditions you can't live with. Good luck with WFP and keep the naysayers at bay. Sometimes I think the National Dream was the last bloody dream anyone in Canda was allowed to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 20, 2005 Author Share Posted September 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gordon You know Chris, I am 100% in your corner and greatly enjoy the mag you've put out. But I do think that maybe Robert has a point regarding issue 57 - that is, while long term solutions and stable finacials have to be your goal, these sorts of things may be marginally easier if your mag is a going concern versus in hiatus. Its a perception thing really but it seems to make a difference. I would suggest that if you can find a few people willing to float the next issue, well and fully aware of the risks, then take it. Of course, not if it comes with conditions you can't live with. Good luck with WFP and keep the naysayers at bay. Sometimes I think the National Dream was the last bloody dream anyone in Canda was allowed to have. This thread alone indicates that there are numerous posters who have indicated their desire for a Canadian soccer publication, and I'm sure the numbers of silent readers who feel the same are even greater, however, they have no intention of getting involved in the antics of some, including myself, but mainly Richard;) and Loud Mouth Soap;), who carry on in less than constructive ways. Hopefully, the two previous posts can set this thread back in a positive direction. On my part, I will try to do so. Personally, I like the idea of of a publication created from several (as many as possible) different areas of the country. It is impossible for someone on the west coast to have a good grasp on what is happening in central or eastern Canada, and vice versa. A co-ordinated effort from various regions would result in a more nationally all-inclusive publication. What I have found lacking in past Canadian soccer publications is the absense of interviews with local players from metro leagues, senior provincial leagues, the PCSL, and the CPSL. Getting a story about league top scorers and other leading players shouldn't be that hard. All the afore mentioned leagues are generally pretty faceless to the average Canadian soccer fan, and the media could have a wealth of material resources here, pretty well free of charge. Just think what these interviews would cost in Europe? A publication covering the National, provincial, USL, metro, CIS, and other leagues would need no European fillers. Published quarterly, issues would be filled with enough exclusive Canadian content to satisfy every Canadian soccer fans need to keep informed. Covering the game in as much of the country as possible, should also create the largest possible market, which might be enough to create something long lasting (like at least 10 years worth). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 Oooh, he called me Soap! Slapstick, I tells ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 20, 2005 Share Posted September 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup Oooh, he called me Soap! Slapstick, I tells ya. It might just be a spelling mistake. After all, the letter "A" is just below the letter "U" on the keyboard so maybe it was just an honest mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 God, grant me the serenity to accept those with limited and stunted intelectual capacities. Loud Mouth, I sorry that you are so insignificant to me that I failed to get the correct spelling of your name. I'll try to do better in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Oooooh, zing! I'm down! Medic! MEDIC! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 21, 2005 Author Share Posted September 21, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup Oooooh, zing! I'm down! Medic! MEDIC! Take the ME out of MEDIC, and that's all your left with wanker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 Mommy! The mean man is calling me names! Grow up, Robert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 How sad that this thread that started out quite constructive has deteriorated so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted September 21, 2005 Share Posted September 21, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Elias It might just be a spelling mistake. After all, the letter "A" is just below the letter "U" on the keyboard so maybe it was just an honest mistake. Huh??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted September 22, 2005 Share Posted September 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Huh??? [] I was hoping a couple other people would spend their time trying to figure it out. [}] As for WFP, so Chris, any closer to publishing? I even bought a stamp today with your name on it. Should I purchase an envelope? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Elias It might just be a spelling mistake. After all, the letter "A" is just below the letter "U" on the keyboard so maybe it was just an honest mistake. ROTFLOL db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbailey62 Posted September 23, 2005 Share Posted September 23, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Robert God, grant me the serenity to accept those with limited and stunted intelectual capacities. Two L's. Intellectual (in English anyway). db Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted September 23, 2005 Author Share Posted September 23, 2005 quote:Originally posted by dbailey62 Two L's. Intellectual (in English anyway). db Who needs spell check when we have Voyageurs like you?[8)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 It is now confirmed by Chris, World Football Pages, only Canadian printed Magazine is no longer. At best some updates in their website next February. Good luck Chris. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted October 21, 2005 Share Posted October 21, 2005 That's too bad. Congratulations and thanks to Chris for all the hard and good work he has done. But is it the only printed magazine? What about the new Inside Soccer (the new name escapes me now)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted March 30, 2006 Author Share Posted March 30, 2006 Good to see that Alfons is back business with ISM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted June 30, 2008 Author Share Posted June 30, 2008 Recently a new soccer Canadian soccer book was published. "Full-Time," by alan twigg http://www.amazon.ca/Full-Time-Soccer-Story-Alan-Twigg/dp/0771086458 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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