Luis_Rancagua Posted August 13, 2005 Share Posted August 13, 2005 Give this man Olivier Occean an enormous applause for he scored 2 wicked goals for his club Odd Grenland who beat Lillestrom 3-2 today. Occean you're the man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacks Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 He couldn't hit the side of a barn when he's played for Canada! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 When it comes to todays matches and great goals scored at a competitive level, Marc Bircham is also the man, except unlike Occean he doesn't seem to be in the frame for Frank Yallop's Canada anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 quote:Originally posted by stacks He couldn't hit the side of a barn when he's played for Canada! Tell that to the Irish . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 THAT was a great goal. Was thinking I'd see if a buddy of mine could turn it into a screen saver. Never did. Became distracted by a shiny object (chocolate bar wrapper or something) and forgot. What's the topic? YES. Right. Ahem. Well done, Mr. Occean! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derosario23 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 quote:Originally posted by stacks He couldn't hit the side of a barn when he's played for Canada! Finally someone has come forward and realizes Ocean has no place with Canda he just plane sucks young or not he has enough experience and caps to nail all those chances he just doesn't cut it. Time to bring in some new blood like ROb Friend or some other talent Yallop needs to start searching and fast i dont want Ocean to spoil our world cup qualifying for 2008 cause when he does you guys wont glorify him no more. And just for the record i may like Derosario but im starting to think that he too has not played well and maybe it's time for him to get replaced as well. No more slip ups we need to make world cup 2010 period Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Why on earth would we want to write off any young striker scoring in Europe for 2010 qualifying 3 years before it even begins??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Sadly, there isn't much on the horizon right now for strikers. DD is our best bet but will be getting on a bit by WCQ. OO really hasn't buried his chances so far. Hume's development may have stalled a bit at Tranmere. I still think he's our best hope, but he REALLY needs to get on with a Champ. or Prem. side. Beyond that, what is there really? Radz and Pesch will be too old. Will Johnston has a way to go, and there are no guarantees. Do we start watching Mo Sylla as our next big hope? (yeah right) I dunno, maybe Uccello will be the answer. Or Dylan Hughes, if we haven't lost him already. Sadly, and as always, our goalscoring prospects look bleak. EDIT: No wait, I just came up with our answer for WCQ.... (wait for it)..... KEVIN MCKENNA (Seriously. As a full time striker he may just be our go-to guy next time around.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Blah Blah Blah.. only white lank striker i want is big kev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 BTW... go OO, he is a good striker you guys are just anal.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 Guys, we have more strikers playing at a higher level of play than we've ever had in the history of Canadian soccer. That suggests to me that things might be getting better, rather than worse. No need to panic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Dave Sadly, there isn't much on the horizon right now for strikers. DD is our best bet but will be getting on a bit by WCQ. OO really hasn't buried his chances so far. Hume's development may have stalled a bit at Tranmere. I still think he's our best hope, but he REALLY needs to get on with a Champ. or Prem. side. Beyond that, what is there really? Radz and Pesch will be too old. Will Johnston has a way to go, and there are no guarantees. Do we start watching Mo Sylla as our next big hope? (yeah right) I dunno, maybe Uccello will be the answer. Or Dylan Hughes, if we haven't lost him already. Sadly, and as always, our goalscoring prospects look bleak. *Ahem*... Jonothan DeGuzman? What was it, 18 goals last year and likely a promotion to Feyenoord's first team? I'd say his prospect looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted August 14, 2005 Share Posted August 14, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Dave Sadly, there isn't much on the horizon right now for strikers. DD is our best bet but will be getting on a bit by WCQ. OO really hasn't buried his chances so far. Hume's development may have stalled a bit at Tranmere. I still think he's our best hope, but he REALLY needs to get on with a Champ. or Prem. side. Beyond that, what is there really? Radz and Pesch will be too old. Will Johnston has a way to go, and there are no guarantees. Do we start watching Mo Sylla as our next big hope? (yeah right) I dunno, maybe Uccello will be the answer. Or Dylan Hughes, if we haven't lost him already. Sadly, and as always, our goalscoring prospects look bleak. *Ahem*... Jonothan DeGuzman? What was it, 18 goals last year and likely a promotion to Feyenoord's first team? I'd say his prospect looks great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacks Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 Ian Hume is our biggest prospect. It won't be long before he's playing in the Champ or for a low premiership team. De Guzman will probably pull a Hargreaves on us. Striker Depth Chart ( looking a little grim ) 1 . Ian Hume (cant wait for his 1st goal, only upside) 2 . Oliver Ocean - will do for now 3 . Ali Gerba - see above 4 . Kevin Mckenna - 9 goals for Canada,plays defence because our defence needs him back there 5 . Rob Friend - let's see him play Yallop 6 . Jason Jordan - lighting it up in USL 7 . Derosario - not really a striker Radz is getting too old, 31, maybe o.k for the next 2 years but by next wcq he will be past it, same with Pesch and Carlo. De Guzman we cant count yet because Frank cant select him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Guys, we have more strikers playing at a higher level of play than we've ever had in the history of Canadian soccer. Perhaps. But, throughout his career, Peschisolido has played at a comparable level ( or higher) as our current strikers. Then we had Alex Bunbury prior to 98 WCQ playing in first division Portugal and Radzinki in the EPL prior to WCQ 2006. I am not so sure that our current crop has reached the same predigree or has been scoring with the same regularity as the others I have mentioned. Yet scoring has been a problem area in the past. That may change, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 quote:Originally posted by stacks Ian Hume is our biggest prospect. It won't be long before he's playing in the Champ or for a low premiership team. De Guzman will probably pull a Hargreaves on us. Striker Depth Chart ( looking a little grim ) 1 . Ian Hume (cant wait for his 1st goal, only upside) 2 . Oliver Ocean - will do for now 3 . Ali Gerba - see above 4 . Kevin Mckenna - 9 goals for Canada,plays defence because our defence needs him back there 5 . Rob Friend - let's see him play Yallop 6 . Jason Jordan - lighting it up in USL 7 . Derosario - not really a striker Radz is getting too old, 31, maybe o.k for the next 2 years but by next wcq he will be past it, same with Pesch and Carlo. De Guzman we cant count yet because Frank cant select him. There is a lot of potential in that crop. But that needs to change from potential to bonified proven goal scorers at the international level. There is still hope as that group is fairly young. But yes, I wouldn't say, that the forward position is set for 2010 qualifying. There is still plenty of room for someone new and unknown to come in and steal/earn the job and be the main guy up front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 15, 2005 Share Posted August 15, 2005 What really needs to change for the future is the number of opportunities our strikers have to score, which usually doesn't start with them but the supporting cast behind them. If we are better able to do that, I think we have the strikers to put the ball in the net against the likes of most Concacaf opposition. Of course, that means playing together as a unit a lot more often than we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derosario23 Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca What really needs to change for the future is the number of opportunities our strikers have to score, which usually doesn't start with them but the supporting cast behind them. If we are better able to do that, I think we have the strikers to put the ball in the net against the likes of most Concacaf opposition. Of course, that means playing together as a unit a lot more often than we do. I disagree our midfield is quite solid did u see all the chances our strikers missed at the Gc. If you have no midfield you have no chances unless its a fluke i would say that goal scoring is our only problem. That being said Stalt and Degu werent even there so I think Yallop should really consider searching for a couple young strikers and maybe another offensive midfielder just to sure it up. Defensively we should be ok as long as Sutton is in nets to save the couple chances that squeak through Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 I personally think that our weakest positions are up front, central defense and keeper. At keeper, we have a guy from the A-league starting and our back up has just caught on with a Norwegian league side (after not starting for a few years). After that, there is a big drop off....of course, there are a few keepers on the horizon (ie. Fernandes, Begovic, Giacomi, Wagner) but none that are ready to start. This is not saying that Sutton is bad but I would rather see him playing in the Championship or higher than the A-league where lets face it the pace and skill are a step down. At central defense, we have two guys in Bundesliga 2 (one who has only played the position for a year and the other who in the last couple of years has played more as a striker or sat on the bench), a guy in the Danish league who has trouble starting for his own side, and a couple of A-leaguers. Again, there may be a few on the horizon and some of the current crop may step it up in the next couple of years but still we are not deep here. At striker, we have a 31 year old in the premiership, a handful playing in the top leagues in Norway/Sweden, an MLS starter/occasional sub, and one guy with potential in League One. There are a few younger guys with potential (notably Johnson, Uccelo, and Lombardo) but again its only potential until they do it. Compare this with central midfield where we have a guy playing in La Liga, one in Bundesliga 2 (with a side with promotion chances), one in the Championship, two in Norway, and one in Sweden (who is likely to quickly move on to a better side). And finally, one offensive mid starting his career at Feyenoord who if he chooses us will likely bring the creative fizz we are missing. That's a big difference in my mind Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 quote:Originally posted by An Observer At central defense, we have two guys in Bundesliga 2 (one who has only played the position for a year and the other who in the last couple of years has played more as a striker or sat on the bench), a guy in the Danish league who has trouble starting for his own side, and a couple of A-leaguers. There's one more, Klukowski, who plays (regularily) on a top team in Belgium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Derosario23 I disagree our midfield is quite solid did u see all the chances our strikers missed at the Gc. If you have no midfield you have no chances unless its a fluke i would say that goal scoring is our only problem. Our midfield is getting better offensively, but still not quite where we need to be to consistently cause problems for the likes of the US & Mexico. We didn't create all that many chances in the Gold Cup against the good teams like the US & Costa Rica - but our midfield were helpful in ensuring that we didn't give up many either. We did miss a lot of chances against Cuba, but we started the game in a frustrated position from the start, having to win by 3 goals instead of one, after not scoring at all in the previous two (I believe more due to lack of chances created for our strikers than due to them missing a boatload) and getting shafted badly along the way, after a frustrating WC qualifying campaign. We played a weak team in Cuba and created lots of chances but the frustration showed. When we finally made a breakthrough we scored twice more in the next 17 minutes, though one was wrongfully disallowed. Still, I think it shows the level of frustration which burst at that point - no goals in 2 games and 70 minutes of a third, then 3 goals in the next 17 minutes. Assuming our strikers are not incredibly tight, but playing normal, I think they should be fine. If we create more chances for them to begin I doubt they will be in such a situation as they were at the start of the Cuba match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 ..if he can't do it, DeRo can !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 My understanding is that Kluklowski plays regularly at left back for Clubb Brugge (and he was certainly playing there in the most recent Champions League match). I think he has only played centre back occasionally (and usually in emergency injury situations) which in my book, means he is not a centre back so should not be considered for that position other than as a stop gap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 quote:Originally posted by An Observer My understanding is that Kluklowski plays regularly at left back for Clubb Brugge (and he was certainly playing there in the most recent Champions League match). I think he has only played centre back occasionally (and usually in emergency injury situations) which in my book, means he is not a centre back so should not be considered for that position other than as a stop gap. You're saying Kluk shouldn't be used as a centre back because he usually plays left back for his club, yet in the Spain lineup thread you're suggesting that we play Radzinski and Hume as midfielders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted August 17, 2005 Share Posted August 17, 2005 Rad plays wing for his club sometimes and personally, I think there is a big difference between moving a striker to the wing, and moving a left or right back to centre back. I can get into a debate as to why that is if you want, but I think it is quite obvious. Secondly, I am suggesting Hume plays the same position as he does for his club. He would play striker but of the two strikers, in a deeper role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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