CSA Soccer Stadium Clock, so far

[leekoo]

It is 748 days OR 2 years, 17 days since

CSA Released Details On Proposed National Soccer Stadium

It is 443 days OR 1 year, 2 months, 17 days since

CSA announced the new stadium at University of Toronto

It is 290 days Or 9 months, 17 days since

CSA announced the new stadium at York University

It is 107 days OR 3 months, 16 days since

CSA issued a statement on York University Stadium Project

It is 97 days OR 3 months, 5 days since

CSA issued statement on York University Stadium

It is 59 days OR 1 month, 29 days since

City of Vaughan Announced an OSA-Backed Proposal To Build a world-class soccer stadium

It is 31 days OR 1 month since

Oakville SC presented Oakville Stadium plans

COMPLETE DETAILS GOTO:

http://www.ontariosoccerweb.com/ost/viewtopic.php?t=1142

[Robert]

quote:Originally posted by leekoo

It is 748 days OR 2 years, 17 days since

CSA Released Details On Proposed National Soccer Stadium

It is 443 days OR 1 year, 2 months, 17 days since

CSA announced the new stadium at University of Toronto

It is 290 days Or 9 months, 17 days since

CSA announced the new stadium at York University

It is 107 days OR 3 months, 16 days since

CSA issued a statement on York University Stadium Project

It is 97 days OR 3 months, 5 days since

CSA issued statement on York University Stadium

It is 59 days OR 1 month, 29 days since

City of Vaughan Announced an OSA-Backed Proposal To Build a world-class soccer stadium

It is 31 days OR 1 month since

Oakville SC presented Oakville Stadium plans

COMPLETE DETAILS GOTO:

http://www.ontariosoccerweb.com/ost/viewtopic.php?t=1142

It's only 693 days until July 1, 2007, the day the FIFA u20 World Cup is scheduled to kick-off in Canada.

[Loud Mouth Soup]

Stop frickin' feeding the whiner, would you?

And how many damn threads do we need about the stadium issue?

[Cheeta]

Bait or no, those are some pretty funny numbers. Funny in a dark, "gallows humour" sort of way.

Clearly any new facility would have to be FIFA approved well in advance of any team in Toronto's group ever touching foot to Canadian soil so lets just look a bit harder at those available days yet.

Say the facility needs to be approved 90 days in advance. Dose that sound fair? Assuming that 693 number is correct we're now at 603.

If and when an announcement is made best case scenario is it's going to take 100 days to get your papers and permits in order. You can fudge a little sometimes, depends how lucky you are on the location you choose, but expect to loose a good two months getting all your Is doted and Ts crossed in so far as the municipality is concearned. But for easy math, lets call it 100 days. So we've got what now then? 503.

If you're lucky, very lucky you can get your initial tenders published, approved and awarded while you're working on your permits. If you've done everything on the up and up and don't need any exceptions or zoning adjustments and some local crusader dosen't try to screw your plans you can stay one step ahead of any construction delays. So no lost time there. But you're counting unhatched chickens if you expect all that to roll along smoothly.

Just like those unhatched chickens which represent co-operative weather.

It's August. The earliest the earthmoving equipment will be crawling is likely November. Depending on the site I think you could actually get quit a bit of the grounds prep done, but I don't dought winter is going to create a delay. Anythings possible if you want to pay for it but I don't think that's the case here. Sparing no expence isn't in the CSA criteria.

So come say late March or April everything is back up and running. The grounds are prepped and ready for construction. Seven months from now. 210 days. That leaves us 293 days.

293 days to put down a pitch, raise the grandstands, get in the electrical, plumbing, media support, and other amenities. Run your "sea trials" and de-bug the whole thing while they're ashphalting the parking lots.

The 2nd winter really shouldn't effect things too too much by that stage unless things have gone horribly wrong to date.

So given a plastic pitch and no upper deck I'll guess it's doable. But damn it's getting really, really tight.

Yeesh. If we lose this autumn, I don't know.

[Robert]

Pity Toronto doesn't have a Johnnie Monster type to provide us with details of numbered company transactions. In a way it's kinda nice how quiet T.O. has been this past week. Down you HogBoyz. I'm still praying Canada's Major League City can pull it off. Allthough I'd like your chances much better if the COO of the CSA were a British Columbian.

Cheers, here's hoping to hear some big noise from you this week.

[River City]

http://www.build-our-stadium.com/

[Ivan]

On Soccercentral today, Gerry Dobson said a stadium announcement for the CNE grounds was coming shortly. "Trust me" he stated. He also said that the CSA continue to be tight-lipped about the situation. SC also had an interview with Richard Peddie who confirmed MLSE interest in the MLS for 2007 provided a stadium is built, and they get a good lease deal seeing they will be the major tenant.

[Gian-Luca]

I think Dobson indicated afterwards that Peddie indicated more than an interest on MLSE's part, but rather they've got an expansion team for 2007 if that stadium is announced.

[RS]

Yeah, he said something to the effect of "they could announce right now the granting of a conditional franchise". Or something like that.

[Gian-Luca]

This response to an email was posted on bigsoccer:

The CSA has yet to make any announcement regarding a stadium. I am not where you heard we had.While the stadium issue is close to being resolved it has not been finalized so therefore there is really nothing newsworthy to announce. When everything has been settled and finalized, an announcement will be made.Once it has been announced, the details regarding funding of the project, MLS, etc. will all be made public as well.

So please be patient…things are progressing nicely and an announcement at this time would do more harm than good.

Thanks,

Earl Cochrane

Canadian Soccer Association

[Robert]

quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca

This response to an email was posted on bigsoccer:

The CSA has yet to make any announcement regarding a stadium. I am not where you heard we had.While the stadium issue is close to being resolved it has not been finalized so therefore there is really nothing newsworthy to announce. When everything has been settled and finalized, an announcement will be made.Once it has been announced, the details regarding funding of the project, MLS, etc. will all be made public as well.

So please be patient…things are progressing nicely and an announcement at this time would do more harm than good.

Thanks,

Earl Cochrane

Canadian Soccer Association

It's only 683 days until July 1, 2007, the day the FIFA u20 World Cup is scheduled to kick-off in Canada.

So now the CSA has gone from promising an announcement at the end of July, 2005, to Earl asking all of us to be patient, and that things (whatever those might be) are progressing nicely. I wonder what possible harm could come from an announcement at this point in time? Again, Earl Cochrane and the CSA are proving to show no accountability through disclosure to their over 800,000 members (sure Richard, they don't owe us anything).

Adopting a don't call us, we'll call you position of doing business just further exemplifies the lack of confidence the CSA has in their own abilities. It appears Kevan Pipe is no longer willing to inform the media through Earl Cochrane with information regarding the CSA's progress in dealing with these challenges.

If this secret project, which apparently is moving along nicely, fails to pan out, then who will be to blame this time?

So there in a nutshell we have it for now, every Canadian soccer fan and all their counterparts from around the world must be prepared to be very patient until "everything has been settled and finalized" That's all the CSA is goning to give us, directly or indirectly.

[Elias]

The actual construction can be done in about a year. So if there are shovels in the ground by April/May, that's good enough. They need max. 6 months before hand for all the paper shuffling, so if it's a done deal by October 1, that's more than plenty of time.

[River City]

If I could insert a picture of Mickey Mouse here, I would....'cause that's what the CSA is.

[Robert]

quote:Originally posted by Elias

The actual construction can be done in about a year. So if there are shovels in the ground by April/May, that's good enough. They need max. 6 months before hand for all the paper shuffling, so if it's a done deal by October 1, that's more than plenty of time.

I'd like to stay as optimistic as you. Not being in construction, I have no idea how long it takes to build a stadium. I would be inclined to believe that a 30,000 seat stadium would require more time than a 20,000 seater. How much paper shuffling time is involved will depend largely on who's doing the shuffling, and relying on Kevan Pipe and the CSA to be the brokers of this project, I wouldn't hold my breath. Kevan right now doesn't even have the balls to committing to an October 1st announcement, and as I've posted here last week, "It's one thing to hold press conferences and make announcements and quiet another thing to actually build something."

[Robert]

quote:Originally posted by River City

If I could insert a picture of Mickey Mouse here, I would....'cause that's what the CSA is.

Please don't insult Mickey.[}]

[Robert]

The count-down is now at 679 days. If the article below is correct, then the Columbus Crew Stadium was built in approximately 275 days. That leaves 404 day for the CSA to dick around before the WYCs are supposed to open in Toronto. Who cares which bus you have to take, as long as Kevan Pipe's not driving it you'll get there.

BACKGROUND:

Although it had long been the vision of soccer enthusiasts around the country, Columbus Crew Stadium has a shorter history than most might think.

Constructed in a scant nine months and one day, the first major league stadium built specifically for soccer in the United States houses only one tenant, Major League Soccer's Columbus Crew. Perhaps more than that, the 22,555-seat facility is also the most extravagant monument to the progress of soccer in the U.S.

http://www.soccernova.com/html/stadiums/soccer_specific/columbus_crew.htm

[DoyleG]

If the CSA wants some sort of a monument for a stadium in TO, they won't be looking at a bare bones facility like Crew Stadium. They would be certainly looking at an all-seater facility (no bleacher-style seats)

Add to that FIFA would certainly like to have the stadium ready well in advance.

[Robert]

quote:Originally posted by DoyleG

If the CSA wants some sort of a monument for a stadium in TO, they won't be looking at a bare bones facility like Crew Stadium. They would be certainly looking at an all-seater facility (no bleacher-style seats)

Add to that FIFA would certainly like to have the stadium ready well in advance.

I think the CSA's desperation has reached the well beyond building a monument stage. Beggars (which in essense is all the CSA really is) can't be choosers. Any stadium deal,anywhere in the Greater Toronto Areawould answer all of Kevan's prayers right now.

If the rumour circulated by J.M. on this forum, regarding the construction of a Vancouver stadium hasany truth to it, and that the proposed initial 15,000 seater is not expected to be completed in time for the 2007 WYCs, then how does that bode for the Toronto fiasco?

676 days and counting.

[Robert]

Only 672 days to go. Oh decisions, decisions, eh Kevan. Which site should you pick? A or B? Just pick one! Even the wrong choice is better than no choice. How many more days do you need to make up your mind? Earl says your progressing nicely and anything you say could do more harm than good. Well, I have to agree with him there, but sooner or later a shovel will have to hit the dirt, and I think even a child would agree that in this case sooner is better.

[Jarrek]

Is it really necessary to update us every couple of days?

How about every two weeks?

[Daniel]

Or, you know, never?

[DarnCherry]

Is it neccessary to bitch everytime he makes a post? Why don't you guys just not read the thread? It's not hard to skip, you guys know whats in this thread.

[Cheeta]

You know, I'm wondering now given that it's closing on September if we're to hear anything at all this autumn?

I mean if the CSA is resigned to lossing the tail end of the construction season there may be more here than meets the eye. If the prefered sites are "construction friendly", that is to say require minimal prepreation and community input/review, then allright. So long as things are ready to roll at full steam at the earliest possible opportunity come spring.

Again, tight no matter how you slice it. And watch it turn into a wet summer out Toronto way. Ha, that would be funny.

P.S. Would anyone who matters care if all this goverment soccer infastructure money evaporated because the CSA couldn't get this building up in time to justify that sort of Crown expendature? That is to say, the 2007 WYC. By anyone who matters I mean anyone who could kick Pipe out for blowing it. Not trying to **** disturb, just thinking a-loud.

[canadiankick97]

quote:Originally posted by Robert

Only 672 days to go. Oh decisions, decisions, eh Kevan. Which site should you pick? A or B? Just pick one! Even the wrong choice is better than no choice. How many more days do you need to make up your mind? Earl says your progressing nicely and anything you say could do more harm than good. Well, I have to agree with him there, but sooner or later a shovel will have to hit the dirt, and I think even a child would agree that in this case sooner is better.

Maybe he's already picked one.

[Guest Dave]

Man, if I f'd up in my job as badly as Kevan, I'd be out on my keester long ago. Imagine that's the case for most of us here. Kevan, it seems, has a job where no one supervises, monitors, or even cares about the quality of his work. Does he even go to the office in the morning? Would anyone notice if he wasn't there?