jordan Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 i just noticed sunderland didn't play mart poom in the nets, michael bridges, kevin kyle or colin healey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 quote:Originally posted by jordan any chance of a canadian being signed? Maybe SAFC could use Harmse, who played well last night. Gjertsen seems to be most consistent of the younger players from the games I've seen -although he's USA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timotas Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Well the whole SAFC was impressed with Vancouver... here's an article from the their official site http://www.safc.com/news/?page_id=7506 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouversoccerman Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 quote:Originally posted by jordan i just noticed sunderland didn't play mart poom in the nets, michael bridges, kevin kyle or colin healey Poom is injured and didn't make the trip. Kevin Kyle was still recovering from a serious hip injury, and it was questionable as to whether he'd make the trip as well. I don't know if he's with the club or not. I can't speak for either bridges or healey. According to their supporters, Sunderland played their strongest possible side against the Whitecaps. They played poorly, lacked desire, and their defence was torn to shreds. They also underestimated the excellent level of talent that exists among the top teams in the USL. BTW, those who like to call the USL a "pub league" should take note...in the last two years Sunderland, Millwall and Hearts have failed to beat teams in Vancouver made up of mostly USL talent (Canada's "B" team last year and the Caps this year). Cheers, Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john tv Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Tell the g.d. media.We simply don't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T5 Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 quote:BTW, those who like to call the USL a "pub league" should take note...in the last two years Sunderland, Millwall and Hearts have failed to beat teams in Vancouver made up of mostly USL talent (Canada's "B" team last year and the Caps this year). Cheers, Bill And then there's the Lynx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Champ Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Timotas Well the whole SAFC was impressed with Vancouver... here's an article from the their official site http://www.safc.com/news/?page_id=7506 The idiot who popsted the slideshow has it 3-1:(:(:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted July 18, 2005 Share Posted July 18, 2005 Unlike the CSA sponsored Canada vs Honduras friendly 2 weeks ago, there were programs at the Caps Sunderland site. As well, Sunderland souvenirs were being sold outside the Stadium gates. The CSA did not have any Canadian team clothing for sale, not even scarves or hats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 From BBC Sport: McCarthy is not worried just yet V'couver W'caps 3-0 Sunderland Sunderland boss Mick McCarthy refused to press the panic button after their 3-0 defeat by Vancouver Whitecaps. "We're just getting fit, and we're a mile off it in terms of playing games," McCarthy told Sunderland's website. "After playing two games in three days, we struggled, and the goals we conceded were amateurish. "It looked really poor, but I'm not worried - not 10 days into pre-season. I'm not going to be beating myself up, but we don't like getting beaten." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by DJT The game was played at the 6,000-capacity Swangard Stadium in the scenic Buraden area of Vancouver, overlooked by the Coastal Range mountains. Scenic Buraden? ooops Nice to hear over 6800 packed the place. I was at the Millwall Hearts game last year and it was barely 3/4 full. I couldn't make it to the game but I happened to drive by just after and it was really nice to see that many people shuffle out of the stadium. Too bad they were mostly in red and white stripes. I didn't even catch the highlights so I feel I missed out. But any time the Whitecaps can beat an EPL team 3-0 is a good thing. It says a lot for the quality of the USL too. Maybe we can say it's comparable to lower Championship - upper Division 1 now? Would a score like this affect a 15 year old's decision to have a trial at Tranmere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Danny Boy Nice to hear over 6800 packed the place.... I couldn't make it to the game but I happened to drive by just after and it was really nice to see that many people shuffle out of the stadium. Too bad they were mostly in red and white stripes. I didn't even catch the highlights so I feel I missed out. But any time the Whitecaps can beat an EPL team 3-0 is a good thing. It says a lot for the quality of the USL too. Maybe we can say it's comparable to lower Championship - upper Division 1 now? Would a score like this affect a 15 year old's decision to have a trial at Tranmere? There were only a couple hundred Sunderland suporters, and over 6,000 cheering for the Caps. A 15 year old should still go overseas if he wants to become a pro. The USL is only semi-pro, operating from spring to fall and paying like a part time job. Aspiring players need to be in full-time soccer environments, training with other pro's every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 the attendance of 6857 was the largest crowd at swangard since the peter beardsley "testimonial" game vs the san jose earthquakes in 2001. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Danny Boy Scenic Buraden? ooops Nice to hear over 6800 packed the place. I was at the Millwall Hearts game last year and it was barely 3/4 full. I couldn't make it to the game but I happened to drive by just after and it was really nice to see that many people shuffle out of the stadium. Too bad they were mostly in red and white stripes. I didn't even catch the highlights so I feel I missed out. But any time the Whitecaps can beat an EPL team 3-0 is a good thing. It says a lot for the quality of the USL too. Maybe we can say it's comparable to lower Championship - upper Division 1 now? Would a score like this affect a 15 year old's decision to have a trial at Tranmere? Don't overestimate the worth of a friendly victory. Top level teams lose to lower level teams all the time in training matches. One team is playing to win and playing the game of their lives against a team they dream of playing for while the opposing players are trying to avoid injury. I once saw Celtic get beat by my team in Leipzig that was in the third division during preseason even though Celtic started and played most of the game with their best players like Larsson and Sutton. After the game we thought we were promotion favourites and Celtic fan boards were crying murder. Celtic went on the win their first Scottish championship in many years and we had one of the worst teams in the German third division. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Grizz, you should do your bit for international relations and share these views on the the SAFC supporters site: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/forumdisplay.php?f=25 As of yesterday, Johnnie Monster had them so frenzied they couldn't post two coherent words, much less thoughts, together. I agree with you by the way, as would most Whitecaps supporters. But it's sure funny to see those guys so mental. I thought the English had a thicker skin. It's like pulling rock cod out of the Pacific. This might be more relevant now. There's some good comedy: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=56379 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Haha, that is some seriously funny stuff. Good work, JM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Boy Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Driving by there seemed to be a lot of stripes and I only saw 1 Whitecaps jersey. So it's good to hear that the majority were cheering for the good guys. I don't think I'm overestimating the win. I think the win proves the level of the Whitecaps isn't as far down as some people think it is in comparison to the Euro leagues. Granted the Whitecaps are in mid season form and SUFC were in training and obviously weren't mentally up to it yet, the skill level difference should at least keep the game competitive. 3-0 still proves that the quality of the Whitecaps is pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Monster Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 Sensitive buggers, aren't they? I know there's a lot of pages in that thread, but it's well worth reading to the end. I went after them several times, especially after they started calling me a French Yank and criticizing my use of the word "net". This however was one of my favourite digs (near the end): Flashback to Vancouver International Airport Customs Officer: "Have you brought anything into Canada, sir?" Mick McCarthy: "About 90 minutes of fooking rubbish. Where do I sign?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Would a score like this affect a 15 year old's decision to have a trial at Tranmere? The above quote is certainly overestimating in my opinion. Sure the Caps should be proud of the win and JM has every right to give the Brits hell on their board as that is part of being a soccer fan. What the result shows is that the Caps are probably about the level of a midtable 4th division team in a nationwide system (such as England) or a 3rd division team in a regional system (such as Germany). Teams of this level beat top tier teams in friendlies all the time. The Caps are still probably a tier below Tranmere and even if they were on par any player would be crazy not to prefer the better money, better training and playing conditions, much longer season, increased transfer opportunities and much more balanced and competitive league available in Europe. Be proud about the victory but don't lose a sense of reality on one win. The Caps are a long way from the level of a Championship side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Be proud about the victory but don't lose a sense of reality on one win. The Caps are a long way from the level of a Championship side. To be picky Sunderland Black Cats are a Premiership side....and I agree don't take to much from an exhibition game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by argh1 To be picky Sunderland Black Cats are a Premiership side Not for long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by argh1 To be picky Sunderland Black Cats are a Premiership side....and I agree don't take to much from an exhibition game. I am referring to Danny Boy's opinion about the Whitecaps: quote:Maybe we can say it's comparable to lower Championship - upper Division 1 now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnnie Monster Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 What makes me laugh is the 180 degree reversal in attitude following the loss. Heading in to the match, SAFC fans were adamant that Vancouver was an inferior side, and they'd demolish us whether they were match fit or not. After the loss, they changed their story to: "But we're not match fit!" "But we're experimenting new lines! and "We never expected to win pre-season anyway!" Bloody wankers, the whole lot. I'm not reading too much into the victory either... but in light of this hypocrisy by their fans, I can't help but stir them up at every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster What makes me laugh is the 180 degree reversal in attitude following the loss. Heading in to the match, SAFC fans were adamant that Vancouver was an inferior side, and they'd demolish us whether they were match fit or not. After the loss, they changed their story to: "But we're not match fit!" "But we're experimenting new lines! and "We never expected to win pre-season anyway!" Bloody wankers, the whole lot. I'm not reading too much into the victory either... but in light of this hypocrisy by their fans, I can't help but stir them up at every turn. JM, I recall that both of us predicted that Sunderland would ventilate the Caps by 3 or 4 goals. In this case its good to have the Caps prove us wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted July 19, 2005 Share Posted July 19, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Johnnie Monster Sensitive buggers, aren't they? I know there's a lot of pages in that thread, but it's well worth reading to the end. I went after them several times, especially after they started calling me a French Yank and criticizing my use of the word "net". This however was one of my favourite digs (near the end): Flashback to Vancouver International Airport Customs Officer: "Have you brought anything into Canada, sir?" Mick McCarthy: "About 90 minutes of fooking rubbish. Where do I sign?" JM, I too read most of the posts there, and this one of yours particularly had me laughing all day. And not that I have anything particularly against Sunderland, one of those teams that I don't mind really, an inocuous club I find. I actually think that it is an amazing win for the Caps, and you have to read something into it. Here I do not agree with the minimizing entirely. Consider that the rival was no longer jet-lagged, there was no extreme weather like Millwall-Hearts saw last year, they are just up to EPL and have a lot of hopes pinned on the year, there must be a ton of competition on the squad and the knowledge they'll sign someone new if those there can't play up to par. They are getting paid about ten times more, they already saw vs a lesser team that they had to pick it up a bit. There are many reasons to be surprised by them getting wiped off the map. The excuse of it being the start of pre-season does not entirely hold either, as the supposed level difference is so great that it should not matter. Hell, if they were to find themselves in pre-season in Sweden or Norway and play a 2nd division team (maybe the level of Caps, at least on paper?) they would expect to get a win or at least tie. So I think we can gloat a bit, it is a fine result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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