Massive Attack Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 <center>Gold Cup - USA 2005 First Round, Match 2United States vs. CanadaSaturday, July 9, 2005 1:30 PM PDT / 2:30 PM MDT / 3:30 PM CDT / 4:30 PM EDT / 5:30 PM ADT / 6:00 PM NDT Qwest Field, Seattle Television (According to Sportsnet's site) · LIVE on Sportsnet in all regions (digital not required) · Repeat at 8:00 PM EDT on Sportsnet East Local & Digital Live Text Updates · From official Gold Cup site · From USSF Voyageurs real-time chat (login under your forum name using the top box and top "Login Now" button; do not use the two lower boxes, do not enter your forum password anywhere) </center> I figure I'd start this thread up. Here's the U.S assistant coach, Curt Onalfo's, scouting report of Canada: http://ussf.podlot.com/onalfogoldcup2.mp3 I'm expecting to see a drastically different line up for this match, because of the McKenna red card, and the short, 2 day rest between games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted July 8, 2005 Share Posted July 8, 2005 Good stuff Massive Attack. I thought I'd start the lineup speculation here. There's a belief that Arena is going to start the 'A' team based on what was seen in practice. That would be: -----------------Keller Cherundolo---Pope---Onyewu---Vanney ----------------Mastroeni ----Ralston------O'Brien-----Beasley -----------------Donovan -----------------Wolff Our options are pretty limited and I'd like to see a good defensive lineup, because that's a damn good US side, but I don't think we have one. The two most glaring things I see there is that a) Beasley could own Adam Braz and Vanney and Pope are the weak links (though I'm hoping Wolff's finishing remains a problem). So here's what I'm thinking --------------------Sutton Bernier---Braz(Gervais)----Hutchinson---Simpson ------Peters/Dodds----Grande------Brennan -----------------------DeRo ------------Hume-----------------Occean I like the idea of Peters going at Vanney. Though I'd probably start Dodds and bring Peters on later to create some danger or change things if we're losing and need a spark. Onyewu will probably own the air no matter who's up front, but I think we need DeRo or someone in the midfield to create some danger. I'd rather have Hutchinson, but our hand is forced. I'm not sure about Bernier at RB, but he's looked fine there before and he has the pace to at least deal with Beasley. If Gervais can't go what other option do we have in the middle? Serioux in for Grande as he tires. I'd like to see Gerba come in too. I'm not blown away by that lineup, but I'm struggling to come up with something better. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 That's not a bad line-up suggestion. There's enough offense there to get the goals we will need to come away with some points and enough people at the back. I think we are going to need some quality long balls from Grande to spring a loose striker or two for some offense. The only other suggestion is to go with a more experienced right back rather than Bernier - Pozniak being that person (I know he's younger, but he has played that position more often professionally than Bernier has). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca The only other suggestion is to go with a more experienced right back rather than Bernier - Pozniak being that person (I know he's younger, but he has played that position more often professionally than Bernier has). Yeah I was wondering about Pozzy. I just haven't seen him in awhile and not playing against Honduras I wasn't sure what kind of form he's in. Not sure if he's up for. I'm not sure Bernier's up for it either. Ideally we'd have Hutchinson out there, but that's not going to happen. He'll have his hands full with Wolff and Donovan anyway. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moosehead Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 who is going down to Seattle on Saturday? I live in Vancouver. I could offer transportation or could take a ride with someone else. I am interested in going down to the game and sitting in the voyageurs section. Email me at alexmooseheadAtyahoo.ca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Tranmere Rovers Top Scorers Season 2004-05 Iain Hume 16 goals + 11 yellow cards Paul Hall 12 goals Ryan Taylor 10 goals Eugene Dadi 9 goals Chris Dagnall 6 goals Jason McAteer 5 goals Michael Jackson 5 goals Theodore Whitmore 5 goals I really, really hope that Hume starts up front and doesn't get pulled early by Yallop. Hume is an established full time professional playing committed (viz 11 yellow cards) soccer at a decent level and scoring goals on a regular basis in a physical league in the UK. He does not need to be sitting on the bench watching part timers under perform for Canada, nor does he need to be playing out of position to accomodate players who flatter to deceive the coach in training or the A-league. In my estimation, Hume, Brennan and Hutchinson are the Canadian players most likely to trouble the USA. If Hume does not start, he either must be injured or has called FY a wally in training. This might be understandable since Hume plays for an experienced coach at Tranmere in Brian Little, who was also a top class player in his day and understands the difference between creative versus journeyman soccer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Ashton Gate nor does he need to be playing out of position to accomodate players who flatter to deceive the coach in training or the A-league. Say what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Sorry to be convoluted, I agree with Matthew, play Hume up front with Occean and give him the full 90 min or until he drops from exhaustion. I am worried Yallop will play Hume at midfield then take him off for Peters after 50 min. I believe this has happened before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stacks Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Ashton Gate Tranmere Rovers Top Scorers Season 2004-05 Iain Hume 16 goals + 11 yellow cards Paul Hall 12 goals Ryan Taylor 10 goals Eugene Dadi 9 goals Chris Dagnall 6 goals Jason McAteer 5 goals Michael Jackson 5 goals Theodore Whitmore 5 goals I really, really hope that Hume starts up front and doesn't get pulled early by Yallop. Hume is an established full time professional playing committed (viz 11 yellow cards) soccer at a decent level and scoring goals on a regular basis in a physical league in the UK. He does not need to be sitting on the bench watching part timers under perform for Canada, nor does he need to be playing out of position to accomodate players who flatter to deceive the coach in training or the A-league. In my estimation, Hume, Brennan and Hutchinson are the Canadian players most likely to trouble the USA. If Hume does not start, he either must be injured or has called FY a wally in training. This might be understandable since Hume plays for an experienced coach at Tranmere in Brian Little, who was also a top class player in his day and understands the difference between creative versus journeyman soccer. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Ian Hume should have started against Costa Rica. Ali Barbar looked invisible out there. Leduc looked crap. Grande looked like he belonged in the USL (Bircham would have been a better selection) Serioux should start for Leduc, and Hume for Ali Gerba. Send the Impact Home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Ashton Gate Sorry to be convoluted, I agree with Matthew, play Hume up front with Occean and give him the full 90 min or until he drops from exhaustion. I am worried Yallop will play Hume at midfield then take him off for Peters after 50 min. I believe this has happened before. Well I think Hume has tremendous potential. But potential is the key word. He excelled and starred at the U20 level but to be perfectly honnest, I am yet to see anything noteworthy from his play at the senior level. Perhaps he should have started but there is no reason to believe that he has established himself yet at the senior level. Though that could change. Also, from watching the game, you would have noticed that overall, the a-leaguers performed better than the Uefa based players, so why would you want to bench them? He plays at Tranmere, thats the third tier in England, not the EPL and those names that you listed as top goal scorers at Tranmere are hardly household names. One of them ( Whitmore) is an average ex concacaf striker from WC 98, another that I recognize (McAteer) is a player in the twighlight of his career, and the rest are unknowns. Hume needs to move to a better team. Hopefully that will happen sooner than later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strobe_z Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 after listening to that scouting report, did anyone else find it funny to hear someone say that they were prepared to play at home in front of a large foreign-cheering crowd.. and be talking about the Canadian fans streaming down from Vancouver!?? We do share that 'no home game' syndrome with our American counterparts I guess.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by stacks Ian Hume should have started against Costa Rica. Ali Barbar looked invisible out there. Leduc looked crap. Grande looked like he belonged in the USL (Bircham would have been a better selection) Serioux should start for Leduc, and Hume for Ali Gerba. Send the Impact Home. Do you follow soccer at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 wrt Free Kicks post: If by senior level you mean the Canada national team, then I don't believe Hume has been utilised correctly to date according to his strengths. wrt to Tranmere, Hume can still learn a lot from Brian Little, I don't believe thats the case from Frank Yallop as I personally don't rate him as highly as a coach. Hume has the potential to be a very good Championship level player and will no doubt move when the time is right. I am not sure about reaching the EPL though. wrt Whitmore and McAteer I am not comparing Hume to them rather Canada's starting eleven vs Costa Rica. As for the comments re: playing in England, they are plainly silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 OOps, I see the England comments have now been removed, so disregard that last statement as it is also silly! I have a feeling Hume will show up to play vs the USA and I'm looking forward to an upset, who knows maybe DeRO will pop in a 25 yarder also... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownaguy Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I think Frank and most of us Canadian fans know what Hume brings to the table,,as Frank has given him a lot of minutes in the past,, I didn't mind getting a look at some of the newer guys getting their first cap,, that was pretty much expected in this Gold Cup so I'm not.. Yes Hume hopefully will be a big part of our future, but so far has yet to make much of an impact in his games with the senior national team.. so I don't think it's the end of the world that he didn't start this game and we tried out a couple new guys... damn, you'd think he's the next coming of Pele by reading some comments here..lol.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Originally posted by stacks - 07/08/2005 : 22:04:17</u> Who will be Captain for Saturdays game?? Brennan, Dero, Atiba??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zacRWE Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I like the idea of Occean and Hume up front with DeRo sitting just behind the two. That way DeRo can help out the midfield (ie. Grande), plugging up the midfield. As for Beasley, I guess Peters can keep up with him in speed, but we will need defensive cover as I can see the Americans exploiting that side of the pitch. Any known injuries to the Yanks or us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I find it surprising that Onalfo said they were expecting a 60/40 split between American and Canadian fans, I would have expected 90/10. By the way, is anyone else looking forward to a game where we're not going to see a player taken off on a stretcher every five minutes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjoni Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Sutton Bernier Hutch Gervais Simpson Peters Grande Brennan DeRo Occean Gerba I, too, would like to see Hume in there, but it was mentioned that his form might be a little off. In that case he could easily come in for Gerba or Occean. Pozniak could bump Bernier up to mid if Peters doesn't hold his own. DeRo or Hutch as captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I wouldn't start Peters...he is not good enough defensively at this level. He is more useful as a late sub when players are tiring. I would go with the following: Sutton Braz Gervais Hutchinson Simpson Serioux Bernier Grande Brennan Hume or DeRossario Occean Its a balanced side which should defend well and retain the ball which is important. Braz did enough to see what he can do against Beasley and Serioux should be able to support him (people can't be serious to play Peters there as Beasley would kill him). Occean can be the target man with Hume or DeRossario working off of him. I would be inclined to start DeRossario and bring Hume on for the last 25 minutes or so but for DeRossario and not Occean. Bring Peters on for Serioux, Bernier, or Grande as they tire. This side should give us a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodway Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 Do we need at least a draw in order to have any chance of moving on. That's what was just said on Sportsnetnews. Can we still have a shot as one of the best 3rd place finishers even if we lose this game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 I'm pretty sure we can lose and still have a shot at the 1/4 finals. My lineup: Sutton Braz-----Gervais-----Hutch-------Simpson Bernier----DeRo(or Serioux)-----Grande----Brennan Occean-------Hume Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 We can lose and still qualify with a win in the final match in theory, though right now we are behind the other two third place teams heading into the second match. Group A has a third place team (Honduras or T&T, take your pick) with a point while Mexico & Guatemala in Group C have 0pts and are also -1, but they have scored more than we have (Mexico with 1 goal, Guatemala with 3 (and they still lost!) If we are going to lose again, it better be with by just a goal and not by a shutout again. I'd prefer us to get at least a point of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Markus By the way, is anyone else looking forward to a game where we're not going to see a player taken off on a stretcher every five minutes... Defenitely. It'll be good to finally play a team of men rather than diving crybabies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearcatSA Posted July 9, 2005 Share Posted July 9, 2005 quote:Originally posted by loyola My lineup: Sutton Braz-----Gervais-----Hutch-------Simpson Bernier----DeRo(or Serioux)-----Grande----Brennan Occean-------Hume Depending upon Gervais' health, those are my starters as well, with the tactical substitutions (if we are behind) of Peters for Bernier (70 minute mark) and Serioux for Braz or Gervais (Gerba also in the mix as a sub). Hume replaces Grande as the dead ball specialist off of corners. Grande is the holding midfielder, DeRo as the more attacking midfielder. Matchup to watch: DMB vs Bernier and Braz Inspired move: OO selected against the US central defence. Okay, he's not Jared Borgetti, but he could cause problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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