loyola Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Tonight is a very important game for our U-17 team. Let's hope they play a great game and come up with the win. What do we need to finish first our second? Any link to follow the game, radio or matchtracker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 Mexican FA has the score through the game http://www.femexfut.org.mx/federacion/index.php Basically, if Canada beats Mexico, we finish at least 2nd, with a pretty good shot at first. If we lose or tie, we're pretty much guaranteed to finish 3rd. Day 1: Canada 0-2 Honduras and Mexico 2-0 Haiti Day 2: Canada 5-0 Haiti and Mexico 3-0 Honduras .......W L T P F A Mexico 2 0 0 6 5 0 +5 Canada 1 1 0 3 5 2 +3 Hondur 1 1 0 3 2 3 -1 Haiti 0 2 0 0 0 7 -7 POTENTIAL OUTCOMES: 1. Canada loss or tie to Mexico - we are out - unless somehow Haiti wins which I strongly doubt. A Canada tie and Haiti win Canada finishes 2nd. A Canada loss and Haiti win and there's a 3-way tie for 2nd which Canada would win on goal dif. 2. Canada & Honduras win = 3-way tie at 2-1 - so if Canada wins 1-0, Canada would be +4 (6-2), Mexico would be +4 (5-1). Canada beats Mexico on more goals scored. So Honduras going in at -1, they would need to score 5 goals to be tied with Canada +4 (7-3), and they would win on most goals. So Honduras needs to score 4 goals more than Canada does, and to win their match by 5. TIE-BREAKERS: 1. Head-to-head between the two teams tied 2. Difference between goals for and against from ALL group matches 3. Most goals scored from all group matches 4. Drawing of lots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyola Posted May 21, 2005 Author Share Posted May 21, 2005 Thanks Elias! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 I think these are the kickoff times: Haiti vs. Honduras 5:00 PDT / 6:00 MDT & local / 7:00 CDT / 8:00 EDT / 9:00 ADT / 9:30 NDT Mexico vs. Canada 7:30 PDT / 8:30 MDT & local / 9:30 CDT / 10:30 EDT / 11:30 ADT / 12:00 NDT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 21, 2005 Share Posted May 21, 2005 quote:Originally posted by loyola Thanks Elias! So if Haiti wins 1-0, Canada could at worst still lose by four goals and remain in contention in a play-off with Costa Rica? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 There is an audio Webcast of Haiti vs. Honduras at http://www.radiohrn.hn. But I'm getting a horrible buzzing sound that's louder than the commentators. It's 0-0 after 20 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 It's halftime and I THINK Haiti are winning 1-0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by DJT It's halftime and I THINK Haiti are winning 1-0. That's what the Mexican football federation site has too. Good news so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 confirmed, 1-0 Haiti, at this site http://www.femexfut.org.mx/federacion/index.php EDIT: Looks like you beat me to the news by 27 seconds Ed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Robert So if Haiti wins 1-0, Canada could at worst still lose by four goals and remain in contention in a play-off with Costa Rica? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 someone scored, think its Hond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 if it finish tied Mexico might not be so desperate for a win know that a tie or a narrow defeat will still put them thru. a second place finish for Canada will guaranty two more competitive game at that level and that could prove beneficial if we end up going to the u-17 world cup at this level it is the amount of quality games and tutoring that is more important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Yes, it was Honduras that scored. The match just ended 1-1. Here are the updated standings (sorry, I have to reorder Elias' columns, this is what makes sense to me): W-D-L F-A P Mexico 2-0-0 5-0 6 Honduras 1-1-1 3-4 4 Canada 1-0-1 5-2 3 Haiti 0-1-2 1-8 1[/code]So we need a win against Mexico and that would put us in first place. We cannot finish second. Our 5 goals against Haiti do nothing for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by sj if it finish tied Mexico might not be so desperate for a win know that a tie or a narrow defeat will still put them thru. Correct me if I'm wrong, but with Honduras finishing with 4 points, Haiti with 1 and Mexico currently on 6, they could lose by 10 goals to Canada and still qualify. I agree that they won't be as desperate for a victory since they have qualified, but sometimes teams with no pressure on them can play better than normal. However, we should now be the more determined squad. Edit - just remembered - the 2nd place team doesn't qualify automatically, do they? So they will still be anxious for a win, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca [brthe 2nd place team doesn't qualify automatically, do they? So they will still be anxious for a win, no? I think the 2nd place finisher takes on Costa Rica in a two game series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca the 2nd place team doesn't qualify automatically, do they? So they will still be anxious for a win, no? Correct. Canada win: - Canada first and qualify - Mexico second and go to playoff versus Costa Rica Mexico win or draw: - Mexico first and qualify - Honduras second and go to playoff versus Costa Rica They might have Mexico vs. Canada on that Honduran Webcast since they are waiting on the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Ed I think the 2nd place finisher takes on Costa Rica in a two game series. If it's home and away would the CSA put them on the road for two???? We can't finish second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Correct me if I'm wrong, but with Honduras finishing with 4 points, Haiti with 1 and Mexico currently on 6, they could lose by 10 goals to Canada and still qualify. I agree that they won't be as desperate for a victory since they have qualified, but sometimes teams with no pressure on them can play better than normal. However, we should now be the more determined squad. Edit - just remembered - the 2nd place team doesn't qualify automatically, do they? So they will still be anxious for a win, no? That's right. If Mexico lost by even a single goal to Canada, they would finish behind us in the final standings (which might even end-up being third place) and have to play-off against Costa Rica. They will be gunning for a victory regardless of the Honduras vs. Haiti outcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 It's real simple. We win, we finish 1st. We lose, we finish 3rd. As for Mexico, a tie and they finish first, so hopefully the sit back and play for the tie and Canada can pop a fluky one in the last seconds. Or an other 5-0 win would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 quote:Originally posted by DJT We can't finish second. Right. Fixed my post accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Now that everyone has put his two cents in, I think we're all on the same page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Here's the score according to the Mexican site: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Well, if there's a Webcast of Canada vs. Mexico, I haven't found it (and I'm not going to randomly try every Mexican station — I have never been able to figure out which ones carry Mexican national team matches). The Honduran station ended their broadcast just before kickoff. The Mexican federation site could be way, way behind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 1st half over , Mexico 1- Canada 0 http://www.femexfut.org.mx/federacion/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted May 22, 2005 Share Posted May 22, 2005 Where does it say that the first half is over? beachesl, are you getting anything down there in Mexico? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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