Cheeta Posted April 3, 2005 Share Posted April 3, 2005 Serves me right for betting against Villa but I'd thought Newcastle looked to be turning the corner. Surprised no one has mentioned the fact Newcastle finished Saturday's fixture with 8 men. Can't remember the last time I'd ever heard of that. Charming. Apparently Dyer and Bowyer got into a good old punch up after Villa's 3rd goal and subsiquently joined Barry who'd been sent off earlier for hand ball in the box, in the changing rooms. The more things change the more they stay the same eh, Souness? Ipswich are now sitting in 3rd but level with Wigan on points and the season approaching the final sprint. Sunderland may be in 1st but they've got just an awful end of season schedule although admittedly they can decide their own fate. Think they've got Leicester one match but excepting that, are up against Wigan, Reading, and aways to Ipswich and West Ham. And even Leicester can bring a game. It's just that you never seem to know when. Wigan's a little better off as they've got Cardiff at home but otherwise play teams which will be in the playoffs or fighting for the playoffs. de Vos' Ipswich should at least pull points from 4 of their last 6 contests and have the advantage of hosting rivals Sunderland. A nice win vs Rotherham next week combined with Sunderland being able to hold Wigan to a draw and look out Lucy, we're in for a grandstand finish. (Rotherham[w], @ Wolves[d], Sunderland[...], @ Leeds[d-w], Crewe[w], @ Brighton[w]. Pretty dodgy looking that far ahead but the Leeds and Sunderland HAVE to be huge. They're going to make or break winning automatic promotion). Absolutely the best time of the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 The Dyer-Bowyer fight is causing a huge fuss in the UK at the moment and raises several hmm serious questions about English footballers: 1. Gareth Barry of Villa saved Newcastle and Bowyer from even more embarassing behaviour. 3. Does Alan Shearer actually think Bowyer is innocent for headbutting and punching Dyer in front of 50K? Not bright judgement for the future Newcastle player coach! 5. Is Graeme Souness commenting on reports from William Hill that they have issued odds for a rematch at 9-14 for Bowyer and 13-8 Dyer? Hope these pictures from BBC sport website transfer otherwise this post is unintelligible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Will try pics for post above again tomorrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Police step in after on-pitch brawl By COLIN YOUNG, Daily Mail 07:38am 4th April 2005 Kieron Dyer sits alongside Graeme Souness and Lee Bowyer at the hastily assembled press conference Police will launch a full investigation into the disgraceful brawl at Newcastle United for which shamed pair Lee Bowyer and Kieron Dyer look set to escape the sack. Senior officers from Northumbria Police will spend a full week at St James' Park interviewing the two players, manager Graeme Souness, chairman Freddy Shepherd and other members of the club's playing and coaching staff. Although police have not received a complaint from any member of the public so far, they have still gone ahead investigating the incident. Martin Murray, communications supervisor with Northumbria Police, said: "We do not have any comment to make other than that our officers will be liaising with the football club throughout the week to discuss the matter further and if they raise any issues we will review the situation." Shepherd spent the weekend studying footage of the fight which shocked the football world but, at Souness's insistence, will not throw the pair out of the club. 'It's a black day for Newcastle' Bowyer faces a club record fine of £100,000, but Dyer could escape serious punishment as Newcastle will ask the FA to overturn referee Barry Knight's decision to dismiss him. They will claim the England man was the innocent party in the incident during Aston Villa's 3-0 victory. Shepherd said: "I'm deeply embarrassed, hurt and angry. It was a black day for Newcastle and, speaking personally, the worst day I've experienced as chairman. "I'll be speaking to Graeme Souness and the two players tomorrow." Although Bowyer and Dyer can expect new contract talks to be delayed for several months, they will not be offloaded, especially with little evidence that clubs were queuing up to sign them before the weekend's disgraceful scenes. The shamed duo, who are said to be friends, are the first pair from the same team to be sent off for fighting each other since Charlton's Derek Hales and Mike Flanagan in 1979, and are both ruled out of the FA Cup semi-final against Manchester United on April 17. They will serve at least three-match bans. The FA could even decide to take further action and impose longer suspensions. Dyer maintains he did not throw a punch but he did stop playing to confront Bowyer and then, after extreme provocation and having taken at least three punches and an attempted head butt, he appeared to throw his right arm before being dragged away by team-mate Stephen Carr. Villa's double goalscorer Gareth Barry pulled Bowyer aside after his shirt was ripped round the collar. 'It would have been nice if both players had shaken hands' Souness, who must decide whether to play the pair in Thursday's UEFA Cup quarter-final first leg visit of Sporting Lisbon, added: "No one said this job was easy. The people they have really hurt are the customers who have gone without things to save up and pay their money and they have seen that going on." Souness's predecessor Sir Bobby Robson told BBC Radio Five Live: "They've apologised to the chairman, rightly so, to Graeme Souness and to the team. It would have been nice if both players had shaken hands on camera for the public to realise it was on the spur of the moment." Players' union chairman Gordon Taylor said: "In exceptional cases players can be sacked. With fines, in the past it used to be two weeks' wages. But in exceptional cases - and it has to be exceptional -players can be fined four weeks' or even six weeks' wages. "What will hurt the players more than the fines will be the fact they are set to miss vital games.The worst thing is the embarrassment they will endure in the streets of Newcastle and having to face their fans." In an unrelated incident, Aston Villa midfielder Lee Hendrie is also under police investigation for an alleged incident during celebrations for Villa's third goal. THE TICKING TIMEBOMB 13min: Dyer breaks into Villa area but fails to spot Bowyer to his right demanding the ball. He eventually passes to Jenas, who misses target. Bowyer reacts furiously. 52min: Bowyer plays a one-two with Shearer and unleashes a left-foot shot which Sorensen turns over. Dyer, unmarked to his right, has a forceful word with his team-mate. 84min: From kick-off, after Villa's third goal, Bowyer wants to play a one-two with Dyer and pleads for the ball. But Dyer ignores him. 84min: Bowyer still raging as Boumsong looks to pass. Dyer swears at him as he runs past and Bowyer swears back, stopping Dyer in his tracks. 84min: As Boumsong's pass flies over their heads, Dyer waits to confront Bowyer, who attempts head-butt then throws two punches. Dyer, who tries to restrain Bowyer by placing his hands round his neck, eventually throws the final punch before Barry, Carr and Butt rush in to intervene. 84min: Ref Barry Knight's attention is drawn to incident. He consults linesman Gary Brittain and fourth official Nigel Miller then sends both players off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Sports Minister calls for action Duo await Newcastle fate Dyer & Bowyer: Full story Duo apologise for fight Punch-up picture gallery Magpies' profits increase Sports Minister Richard Caborn has urged chairmen to lead a clampdown on players' misbehaviour after the fight between Kieron Dyer and Lee Bowyer. "In any other walk of life fighting at work would be a sackable offence," he told BBC Radio Four's Today programme. "We have a responsibility but it has to start at board level. The chairmen must get together and straighten it out. "They must tell managers about their corporate and social responsibilities to the game and community as a whole." Dyer and Bowyer were sent off for brawling towards the end of Newcastle's 3-0 home defeat to Aston Villa on Saturday and Caborn says an improvement in conduct must start at board level. "It's not just about the managers. For the last two seasons I've written to every chairman of a professional club asking them to make sure they bring some discipline," added Caborn. "I think there ought to be a general direction from the boards, telling managers that this type of behaviour has to be taken out of the game. "Respect has to be given, not just to the player's peer group but to the officials as well." Meanwhile, Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has said that Bowyer and Dyer could be sacked. Newcastle manager Graeme Souness said both players have a future at the club but Taylor told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme: "The sack is always open to an employer - if employee behaviour has gone on that is gross misconduct. "Nobody could say it is not gross misconduct to fight on the pitch with team-mates and get yourself sent off." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Gate Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Sports Minister calls for action Duo await Newcastle fate Dyer & Bowyer: Full story Duo apologise for fight Punch-up picture gallery Magpies' profits increase Sports Minister Richard Caborn has urged chairmen to lead a clampdown on players' misbehaviour after the fight between Kieron Dyer and Lee Bowyer. "In any other walk of life fighting at work would be a sackable offence," he told BBC Radio Four's Today programme. "We have a responsibility but it has to start at board level. The chairmen must get together and straighten it out. "They must tell managers about their corporate and social responsibilities to the game and community as a whole." Dyer and Bowyer were sent off for brawling towards the end of Newcastle's 3-0 home defeat to Aston Villa on Saturday and Caborn says an improvement in conduct must start at board level. "It's not just about the managers. For the last two seasons I've written to every chairman of a professional club asking them to make sure they bring some discipline," added Caborn. "I think there ought to be a general direction from the boards, telling managers that this type of behaviour has to be taken out of the game. "Respect has to be given, not just to the player's peer group but to the officials as well." Meanwhile, Professional Footballers' Association chief executive Gordon Taylor has said that Bowyer and Dyer could be sacked. Newcastle manager Graeme Souness said both players have a future at the club but Taylor told BBC Radio Five Live's Sportsweek programme: "The sack is always open to an employer - if employee behaviour has gone on that is gross misconduct. "Nobody could say it is not gross misconduct to fight on the pitch with team-mates and get yourself sent off." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew W Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 Didn't Blackburn have a dust-up between two players a few years ago? If I remember correctly wasn't it Grahame LeSaux and Keith Gillespie during a European match? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canso Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 No it was David Batty and LeSaux. Bit of a mismatch. Quote from the opposition manager afterwards: I warned my team to expect a fight from the English players...but I did not expect them to fight each other! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marktci Posted April 4, 2005 Share Posted April 4, 2005 There's comedy, there's high comedy, and then there is teammates getting sent off for fighting with each other. As soon as I heard about this, I couldn't wait for the EPL highlights show. And it didn't disappoint. I loved the press-conference, with both looking like petulant schoolboys who had been called into the principal's office. Both apologized to their teammates, management, fans, the FA, the Queen, etc, etc, etc. Neither directly apologized to the other. Looks good on both of'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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