Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Fifa has confirmed the draw for the world Youth Cup in Utrecht this Sunday afternoon. Blatter will be accompanied by Van Basten and a certain Dutch international born in Canada (??). The seeded teams for the 6 groups of four are host Netherlands, Brazil, Argentina, Colombia, Spain, and Turkey. No two teams from the same region can be in the same group, with the exception of Europe, where there are 7 teams qualified. In principle we want to avoid any of the S. Americans and Spain, so the best bets would probably be the hosts, or of course Turkey. Remember Colombia led qualifying from S. America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Massive Attack Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Blatter will be accompanied by Van Basten and a certain Dutch international born in Canada (??). John Van't Schip 'Van't Schip was born in Fort St. John, B.C. but left there at the age of eight, when his parents returned to the Netherlands. John grew up in Amsterdam and was signed by Ajax at the age of 12. He graduated through the Ajax system until he reached the first team. John Van't Schip went on to play over 30 times for the Netherlands, including the 1990 World Cup. On retiring as a player he became a coach in the same system he grew up in.' http://www.thesoccerhalloffame.ca/OSN.nsf/0/4fe3646bb483041f85256eef0057eb15?OpenDocument Mods: Why does using quotations make my post blue? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canso Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Getting in the same group as the hosts would be great. Spain would be nice to have a go at again too. I would just as soon get Brazil and two others we could beat (Benin, Syria) then get the Turks...they are gonna be tough and will have lots of fanatical support. One dark horse to watch is Switzerland, no really, stop that snickering, they have had great success with their youth teams recently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack John Van't Schip 'Van't Schip was born in Fort St. John, B.C. but left there at the age of eight, when his parents returned to the Netherlands. John grew up in Amsterdam and was signed by Ajax at the age of 12. He graduated through the Ajax system until he reached the first team. John Van't Schip went on to play over 30 times for the Netherlands, including the 1990 World Cup. On retiring as a player he became a coach in the same system he grew up in.' http://www.thesoccerhalloffame.ca/OSN.nsf/0/4fe3646bb483041f85256eef0057eb15?OpenDocument Mods: Why does using quotations make my post blue? Also, as noted by Canuck Oranje, he's Joe Nieuwendyk's cousin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 And Joe Nieuwendyk lives in whitby, And i Live in whitby, and I Like Kevin Bacon... CRAAZY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 quote:Originally posted by canso Getting in the same group as the hosts would be great. Spain would be nice to have a go at again too. I would just as soon get Brazil and two others we could beat (Benin, Syria) then get the Turks...they are gonna be tough and will have lots of fanatical support. One dark horse to watch is Switzerland, no really, stop that snickering, they have had great success with their youth teams recently. Why hope for a tough group? Imagine the frustration of being stuck in a group with the likes of the hosts, Brazil and Spain while watching the other sides (in groups with minnows) advance. Spain and Brazil are perhaps the two best sides in the world at this event. They take this event seriously and have the infrastures for development that we just don't have and likely wont for many many years. Yes, if you want to go far in this event, you will eventually lock horns with one of these sides or Holland and Argentina. But lets hope for that to happen in the elimination round. I am not sure that I have ever heard of any fans wishing that their side be in a group of death. Besides, we have been stuck in agroup with Brazil the last two times. Some variety would be a welcomed change. Plus I think that our U20 sides have had enough of being in "groups of death" at the WYC. Canada is due for a break. Have to agree about Switzerland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Hmmm....I would choose Turkey if I had to (on the basis of not really remembering them to have done much at this level, though I could be wrong about that - they must be seeded for a reason). I could easily see us getting a group that included both Brazil & Italy, or Argentina & Germany, etc. It always seem to happen to us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Switzerland will be a power, I do not think anyone is snickering. Senderos from Arsenal, a couple playing in Italy. Maybe Jeffrey can confirm, but I thought Switzerland won the European U-21 Championship that qualified them for this event. Did this age group not play a couple exhibitions in Turkey and tie them twice? Or am I thinking of the last group (2003s)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canso Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 You are thinking of the last group. Worst case scenario, we get Brazil, Germany and Nigeria. Best case we get Holland, Benin and Syria. I am hoping for Holland, Ukraine and Morocco. Tough games but we do enough to get to the second round and the locals adopt us as the second favorite team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 Well if deguzman plays for the team it would be easy for holland to cheer for canada.. so lets hope for that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alberto Posted March 3, 2005 Share Posted March 3, 2005 It does not matter you have to beat them all to win it all. I always believe that the tougher the opponents at the beginning the easier it gets in the later rounds, Surprise teams only come from the first round of competation not the second it to late they have you all figiured out by then. I would like to Canada and Italy in the Turkey group with another team like Germany or Chile---- Canada could finish second here which is not bad for the first round--and still have a option to finish in a 3rd place and Qualify on best record in 3rd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Massive Attack John Van't Schip 'Van't Schip was born in Fort St. John, B.C. but left there at the age of eight, when his parents returned to the Netherlands. John grew up in Amsterdam and was signed by Ajax at the age of 12. He graduated through the Ajax system until he reached the first team. John Van't Schip went on to play over 30 times for the Netherlands, including the 1990 World Cup. On retiring as a player he became a coach in the same system he grew up in.' http://www.thesoccerhalloffame.ca/OSN.nsf/0/4fe3646bb483041f85256eef0057eb15?OpenDocument Mods: Why does using quotations make my post blue? Good work. I wonder why he is going to be there though, any relation with Netherlands youth team? The Rinus Michels funeral is now going to almost coincide with this, so a lot of the FIFA family will be in Holland either this weekend or early next week (funeral date not set yet as far as I have heard). The logical day is Monday, other days football people can't travel as there are league and Euro games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Oranje Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Van't Schip is Van Basten's assistant with the Dutch National team. He was also the youth coach at Ajax a few years back. quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Good work. I wonder why he is going to be there though, any relation with Netherlands youth team? The Rinus Michels funeral is now going to almost coincide with this, so a lot of the FIFA family will be in Holland either this weekend or early next week (funeral date not set yet as far as I have heard). The logical day is Monday, other days football people can't travel as there are league and Euro games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dave Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 Since we made it to the final 8 last time, to what extent would that influence our seeding in this draw? Would we perhaps be seeded second in our group? That would mean that for once we get relatively beatable opponents. I'm not looking for a free ride, but being in an easier group increases our likelihood of finishing 1st or 2nd, and so having easier opponents early in the elimination round. Playing Spain was nice, but why not have the likes of Japan or Turkey in the elimination round instead. If we seriously want to do well in this thing we can't be overmatched in every round. Does anyone know how the seeding works for the draw, and where we stand? This is FIFA, not J. Warner's CONCACAF, so I don't think we should assume that Canada will get screwed automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Dave Since we made it to the final 8 last time, to what extent would that influence our seeding in this draw? Would we perhaps be seeded second in our group? That would mean that for once we get relatively beatable opponents. I'm not looking for a free ride, but being in an easier group increases our likelihood of finishing 1st or 2nd, and so having easier opponents early in the elimination round. Playing Spain was nice, but why not have the likes of Japan or Turkey in the elimination round instead. If we seriously want to do well in this thing we can't be overmatched in every round. Does anyone know how the seeding works for the draw, and where we stand? This is FIFA, not J. Warner's CONCACAF, so I don't think we should assume that Canada will get screwed automatically. I think that at this level, with the variety and the turnover, the seeding is purely geographical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Observer Posted March 4, 2005 Share Posted March 4, 2005 There are seeded teams which were selected based on the following from the FIFA site "The Netherlands figure among them as hosts, while Argentina, Brazil, Colombia and Spain make the grade on account of their semi-final appearances in the United Arab Emirates 2003, as well as in that year's FIFA Under-17 World Championship in Finland. Turkey are seeded too after their place in the final of the last European Youth Championship earned them the right to represent the European zone - the most successful zone behind South America in recent competitions." Again from the FIFA site, its only geographical..."The only other certainty is that two teams from the same confederation cannot be drawn together in the same group - with the exception of Europe, which has seven sides taking part."...therefore we could get pretty much anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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