algorithim Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 then why can they not gel properly. There are players in England Scotland Denmark Sweden USA Norway Belguim Is there any more countriesm,surley if they are plai=ying at top level they can esily qualify and take the third CONCAF place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 There used to be a guy playing 1st div. in Chile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 The only time we were good enough to qualify for a World Cup was when we had most of our top talent playing in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 The only time we were good enough to qualify for a World Cup was when we had most of our top talent playing in North America. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 You can add Germany to that list, where our two best players are currently plying their trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
algorithim Posted February 19, 2005 Author Share Posted February 19, 2005 maybe all they need is more time together to bond and gel, after all a lot of the players are still fairly oung Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Champ Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Well, yes. They do need more time together, but we have been in a rebuilding mode for 10 years. We didn't even have a MNT program for a couple years before we hired our current coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Former Champ Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Vancouver Fan The only time we were good enough to qualify for a World Cup was when we had most of our top talent playing in North America. We were good enough in '94. Was the CSL still going? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Current Champ We were good enough in '94. Was the CSL still going? The CSL just folded in 92, but many on the MNT then and now were the products of the CSL (at some stage). Radzinski, Aguiar, De Vos, Onstad, Fenwick, Corrazin, Watson, and even Dale Mitchell played. Lots more like Bunbury, Catliff, Mobilio, Aunger, Peschisolido, Doliscat, Nocita, Norman, Valentine, and many others were there too. Ahh, I remember seeing a young Paul Peschisolido moving down the flanks playing for the Toronto Blizzard and terrorizing the Winnipeg Fury with Pat Onstad as keeper. [8D] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Current Champ We didn't even have a MNT program for a couple years before we hired our current coach. Huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownaguy Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Just cause many of the guys play in Europe doesn't mean you can throw them all on the field and they will automatically play well.. They have to learn how to play together and recognize each others tendencies. This is one of the reasons why many of us here have stated that we should be having more Euro Camps with our boys. With our core now being pretty young, its very important for them to play a lot of friendlies and get together for camps (most convenient now to have these camps in Europe) as often as possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 The difference is that as Canada has progressed, most of CONCACAF has progressed even further in the last 10-15 years. The only country that has really stood still is El Salvador. Panama, Guatemala and Cuba all used to be CA whipping boys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted February 21, 2005 Share Posted February 21, 2005 quote:Originally posted by Winnipeg Fury The difference is that as Canada has progressed, most of CONCACAF has progressed even further in the last 10-15 years. The only country that has really stood still is El Salvador. Panama, Guatemala and Cuba all used to be CA whipping boys. Just to be clear, all that means is that most CONCACAF countries are very competitive and can surprise each other, depending on the venue, conditions, and referees. While Panama, Guatemala, and Cuba have improved and done very well, I still think our A team can beat their best in many occasions. Especially Cuba, which I felt the GC2003 game was more of a fluke IMHO. We just sucked on that day, not able to convert. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankiboy Posted February 23, 2005 Share Posted February 23, 2005 quote:Just to be clear, all that means is that most CONCACAF countries are very competitive and can surprise each other, depending on the venue, conditions, and referees. While Panama, Guatemala, and Cuba have improved and done very well, I still think our A team can beat their best in many occasions. Especially Cuba, which I felt the GC2003 game was more of a fluke IMHO. We just sucked on that day, not able to convert. I would have believed that the GC2003 game against Cuba was a fluke if it wasn't for the two ties that Cuba got when they faced Costa Rica (including one in San Jose) last year during WCQ. And don't forget their GC2003 game with Costa Rica. IMHO, it just reinterates what Kelownaguy said, players have to gel. They have to get to know each other. What is very much an obstacle for Cuba--the fact that their players are not allowed to leave the island (there one exceptin that I can think of), is also one of their advantadges--they see each other all the freaking time. They have no choice. Yes, they play with their clubs. True. Sure, their soccer may be considered "ugly" or boring. But the bonding and team development that is th3e result of their circumstances can't be denied. They're not as experienced or as "good" as other teams, yet they give better teams like CR, CAN and USA difficult games. Other course their situation is unique. They don't have club vs country rows. They don't have to worry about long travel to show up to camp. Players need to gel. Camps are important just as are friendlies. The US plays a fair amount of friendlies and I think that they have helped, even when the Euro based guys are not flown back to play in them. We have also had some where Arena utilized them to focus on the Euro based guys, so we played Italy or Germany. I think that they help. Just like you guys are doing. Those games are useful. Also, when you play a nonCONCACAF nation, you want to be ready for a new look. The CSA should have more Euro camps. I think that Kelownaguy is right on. More friendlies in general is a good idea. I understand that it takes ca$h. It's a team game. If all it took was putting the "best" 11 on the field, the USA would have never beat Portugal in WC2002. It's a bit more complicated than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FC Beast Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 quote:Originally posted by algorithim then why can they not gel properly. There are players in England Scotland Denmark Sweden USA Norway Belguim Is there any more countriesm,surley if they are plai=ying at top level they can esily qualify and take the third CONCAF place? Most of these players in England and Scotland are playing lower division football, hardly top class stuff. While the others in the other countries mentioned no doubt with the reserves teams. Until these players start signing with the Celtic's, Liverpools, Bayern Munich's, Juventus' etc, then don't get too excited about where they are playing. Kevin McKenna is playing with Hearts in Scotland, hardly a powerhouse in the SPL. Jason De Vos is with Wigan Athletic, again hardly a powerhouse of the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 quote:Originally posted by FC Beast Kevin McKenna is playing with Hearts in Scotland, hardly a powerhouse in the SPL. Jason De Vos is with Wigan Athletic, again hardly a powerhouse of the EPL. You really are a dick who does not follow the MNT or football in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 FCBeast--a simple and gentle FYI: Devos does not play for Wigan, now does he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver FCBeast--a simple and gentle FYI: Devos does not play for Wigan, now does he? Mot to mention that Wigan isn't even in the EPL. Kinda hard to be a powerhouse in a league in which you don't play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 quote:Originally posted by yankiboy I would have believed that the GC2003 game against Cuba was a fluke if it wasn't for the two ties that Cuba got when they faced Costa Rica (including one in San Jose) last year during WCQ. And don't forget their GC2003 game with Costa Rica. IMHO, it just reinterates what Kelownaguy said, players have to gel. The CSA should have more Euro camps. I think that Kelownaguy is right on. More friendlies in general is a good idea. I understand that it takes ca$h. It's a team game. If all it took was putting the "best" 11 on the field, the USA would have never beat Portugal in WC2002. It's a bit more complicated than that. In GC2003, my impression was that Costa Rica destroyed Cuba, but did not run up the score which unfortunately eliminated Canada with the goals-against tally. But you're right. Cuba has been getting better, which is why teams like Canada CANNOT take anyone for granted and must get its MNT to gel. Players just got to get used to each other; it's hard when they only have 5 days to prepare and coming from different club systems and countries (from England to Germany to Russia and even China). (btw yankiboy, I have relatives in Baltimore too and will be there in May for a family reunion. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fza Posted February 25, 2005 Share Posted February 25, 2005 quote:Originally posted by FC Beast Jason De Vos is with Wigan Athletic, again hardly a powerhouse of the EPL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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