Winnipeg Fury Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 PCSL expands both men's and women's divisions Surrey, BC December 11, 2004 PCSL Press Release Following the PCSL Annual General Meeting held in Surrey, BC today, the League is pleased to announce the award of several new franchises for the 2005 season in both the men's and women's divisions. Joining the PCSL men's division are the University of British Columbia and Whitecaps FC Reserves. New Westminster Khalsa return for the 2005 season after a one year leave of absence. Richmond Clan has merged with Columbus FC of Vancouver and will be playing out of Vancouver under the name Columbus Clan. This brings the number of men's teams to twelve. 2005 Men's Division Columbus Clan Fraser Valley Action Kamloops City New Westminster Khalsa Okanagan Challenge Penticton Pinnacles Seattle Hibernian and Caledonian Skagit Rapids Surrey United University of British Columbia Victoria United Whitecaps FC Reserves On the women's side the PCSL is pleased to welcome Kamloops City, North Shore, Richmond Sportstown, University of British Columbia and Whitecaps FC Reserves into the League. The Okanagan Challenge has requested and been granted a one year leave of absence for their women's team. The League thus goes into the 2005 season with ten women's teams. 2005 Women's Division Fraser Valley Action Kamloops City North Shore Richmond Sportstown Seattle Hibernian Caledonian Surrey United Tricities Xtreme University of British Columbia Victoria Stars Whitecaps FC Reserves The full rosters represent a challenge for the League schedulers with the PCSL season being compressed somewhat by advancing NCAA/CIS training camp requirements at the end of our season and sliding BCSA Province Cup dates at the beginning of our season. The possibility exists that the League may have no choice but to move away from a flat table to an interlocking two division arrangement for both the men and the women. The 2005 schedules will be published early in 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 The PCSL expansion is good and bad. The good is the return of the Whitecaps reserve team. Hopefully this is a step in the creation of a truly professional Whitecaps Club, where they sign young players to long term contracts, develop them for the senior team or sell them to European teams. The Whitecaps/86ers used to have a reserve team in the PCSL 10 - 15 years ago. The bad news is that the PCSL has increased from 3 to 6 Vancouver area mens teams. There may not be enough talent to sustain a high calibre league. Last year, the senior Whitecaps roster was mostly local players, leaving the PCSL teams to choose from the remaining players who were interested in playing serious summer socccer. The Whitecaps have only one off-season signing this year, Mark Watson, therefore the Whitecaps will have to rely on local talent again. The 6 local PCSL teams will have to split the remaining talent after the Whitecaps are finished choosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 17, 2004 Share Posted December 17, 2004 strong points analyst. you live up to your name. i guess the question is, is it more beneficial for an increased in strength whitecaps fc or for a stronger in general reserve league for the whitecaps to have a club in? personally, i'd prefer a whitecaps team with increased competition for places, and really the level for the reserves will be sufficient. especially if they do what must be done and place their top super y players on the reserve team and have a youth movement within that reserve team, surrounding the top super y players with some talented part-timers and serious competition from men who would probably have been good enough for division 2 or 3 in europe if they had been raised there. (not saying they are at that level now! saying merely if they grew up in the environment that europe provides that a lot of them would have been succesful). if only the remaining 8 provinces (or 7 if the maritimes were to play as a single league banner) had leagues set-up as the pcsl and cpsl have done we could really get this ball rolling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaydog2006 Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 The pcsl has done great things and yes there are few areas that need to change.On the flip there is alot wrong with the cpsl right now and they will have company in 2006.The ontairo pro soccer league will start up in may of 2006 with a 5 team set with all players getting paid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 how is the ontario league different than the cpsl other than it has less teams. what the hell, why lessen the talent pool and compete in a market that cant handle it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.T. Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 quote:Originally posted by jaydog2006 The pcsl has done great things and yes there are few areas that need to change.On the flip there is alot wrong with the cpsl right now and they will have company in 2006.The ontairo pro soccer league will start up in may of 2006 with a 5 team set with all players getting paid. Have you ever posted on this board without bashing the CPSL? Have a bit of balance because I'm sure most of the board has tuned you out by now. (those that even care about the CPSL) Sure, the CPSL is a 'old-boys' league with a lot of problems, but it has operated for 7-8 years with very little team turnover and a lot of decent players passing through. A second Ontario Pro League is a terrible idea and if it's even true, I doubt it will last the year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 The ALeague, the CPSL and the PCSL are all useful because they provide a place for Canadian players, both young and old, to play and get exposure and hopefully show they are worthy of a real professional contract. Last years signing of Seroux and Simpson by Millwall is a good example. Seroux, who isn't young, had been playing for the Lynx, so the Lynx probably got paid by Millwall. Simpson was young and unsigned, so the BCSA got $60,000 from Millwall. Does anyone know why the Whitecaps had not signed Simpson? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 18, 2004 Share Posted December 18, 2004 simpson had every intention of graduating university before trying his hand as a professional. why would the bcsa get money for a player they had no controlling power over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted December 18, 2004 Author Share Posted December 18, 2004 Perhaps for hosting the tournament ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 yes, they got paid for hosting, but the way the sentence is structured you were alluding to the bcsa getting paid for the simpson transfer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted December 19, 2004 Author Share Posted December 19, 2004 It's possible that BCSA did get a piece for Simpson signing if there was an agreement in place prior to the tournament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Better Mirror, a mutual friend of mine and VM (the Prez of BCSA) told me that VM went to England to get the money for BCSA for the Simpson signing. Perhasp he was mistaken in which case I may have been mistaken for passing it on. But, I'm still not sure since he made no mention of Hearts paying. The only difference between Hearts and Millwall is that Millwall signed players and Hearts didn't. BCSA also shopped Maras to Millwall so the BCSA and Millwall may have an arrangement that covers unsigned players such as Simpson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 Just prior to Millwall's visit to BC there was a piece on their website about an arrangement between the club and Derek Possee, then head coach for the BCSA, regarding scouting. Not sure if it was a personal arrangeemnt with Possee or with him acting for the BCSA. Anyway, Possee has since resigned from the BCSA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 i still don't understand why the bcsa would get any money even if they "had a deal." simpson was an unsigned player. if ANYONE were to get money it would be either the boulder rapids or the colorado rapids, i'd think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Posted December 19, 2004 Share Posted December 19, 2004 I agree there seems no really compelling reason why BCSA should get any money from Millwall for Simpson but there may have been some agreement in place about which we know nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Just a quick note on the CPSL... while it's off-field problems continued I think most people who actually watch the league would agree with the statement that the on-field product was one of the most interesting and exciting ever with some great feel good stories to boot: 1)Munster's success and move abroad (even though London City still sucks!) 2)Really well attended Jamaican hurricane relief fundraiser featuring the Metro Lions and Portmore United. 3)Success of the new Border Stars franchise culminating in their Open Cup win. 4)More amateur teams actually competing in the Open Cup (even if that did end in a huff about CPSL bias in the final) making the competition slightly more legitimate as at least an all-Ontario championship. Luis is a broken record on this but I would love to see the CSA actually fulfill its mandate and start organizing the regional semi-pro/elite amateur leagues into one national structure ala the CHL. Hopefully the PCSL can remain successful in its niche along with the CPSL and maybe one day I'll get to see a national championship outside of the Voyageurs Cup (not that it wasn't/is a great idea). Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue and White Army Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 $60,000 was a nice gesture from Millwall. Watford nicked from U24 striker from a London non-league club recently from only 2,000 pounds. Went to an FA tribunal and everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analyst Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 A post on another site indicated that Jamie Peters was headed to the Whitecaps for 2005. If he doesn't play for the senior team, then he might play for the reserve team in the PCSL. If he signs for the Whitecaps, then will they try to sign him for several years in hopes of selling him to a European Club, or short term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bettermirror Posted December 22, 2004 Share Posted December 22, 2004 he will play for the first team. no doubt. whitecaps tho? what happened in europe? not enough senior national team caps? that shouldn't apply as he can play for youth teams - or is he beyond that and figures he might as well learn his trade in a more comfortable environment all the while acruing senior caps thus enabling him to move to a european club. could backfire if he bombs tho. whitecaps will sign him for two years if this rumour is true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ted Posted December 27, 2004 Share Posted December 27, 2004 quote:Originally posted by bettermirror i still don't understand why the bcsa would get any money even if they "had a deal." simpson was an unsigned player. if ANYONE were to get money it would be either the boulder rapids or the colorado rapids, i'd think. Heck, he was a star player for Victoria United of the PCSL and $60,000 would have funded our program for 2 YEARS! If we are lucky maybe he will come by this summer and visit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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