argh1 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 I admit I've never paid much attention to La Liga before RSN starting showing it last year. So I was wondering if there's a Derby atmosphere for games between these clubs kind of like Liverpool/Everton, Birmingham/Villa, Man U / Citizens etc. I just remember hearing much about these games. Wow see what TV does I hope Bundesliga never gets on RSN , just what I need another league to learn 40 years of following British soccer and all of a sudden I wanna learn Spanish .....way too much time on my hands.[] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 There is not much of an atmosphere for Barça-Espanyol, only the periquitos (parrots as they are called) get up for it, would be like Man city vs. Man Utd, the superior team is not too worried and the tension is lower. In Madrid there is definitely more atmosphere for the Atletico-Real match, helped by the fact that they are closer in strength. Best derby in Spain is Sevilla-Betis, they truly hate each other and there is a class diff to add to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Jeffrey S. Best derby in Spain is Sevilla-Betis, they truly hate each other and there is a class diff to add to that. Heads-up! This happens to be kicking off on Sportsnet East & Ontario right now (8 EST)! It will be on Sportsnet Pacific at 8 PST. (It was already shown on Sportsnet West at 4 MST.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 What the heck?!? I was distracted during the second half and wasn't paying close attention, but it seemed that Sportsnet cut off the game at 10:00 before it was over! Did anyone see this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DJT What the heck?!? I was distracted during the second half and wasn't paying close attention, but it seemed that Sportsnet cut off the game at 10:00 before it was over! Did anyone see this? Well, I wasn't watching Sportsnet but perhaps it had something to do with the game starting 45 minutes late. Betis had to change their jerseys which for some reason took that long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Jeffrey or anyone else in the know: What is the nature of Espanyol's support? Are their fans ethnically Spanish or supporters of strong central government as opposed to Catalan FC Barcelona or is it a neighbourhood/class difference or just a question of preference? How have they managed to become a top team after years of being pretty mediocre (currently in 2nd 9 back from Barca and 1 ahead of Real)? I once almost attended a Cup game of theirs but the price of admission was very high (would have paid it to see Barcelona play but not Espanyol in a Cup game) and I ended up watching it on tv at the hotel. Are the high ticket prices typical throughout Spain? I was surprised at the time because I found most things in Spain significantly cheaper than Germany but the game was 2 to 3 times the price of a Bundesliga game (which are admittedly among the best bargains in Europe for top notch soccer). They have a great stadium which I think was the Olympic stadium and do average crowds of over 20000 which while not near Barcas support is still pretty decent. argh at the moment no worries about learning about German derbies because there aren't any true ones in the 1st Bundesliga this year with the relegation of 1860 Munich who at the moment don't look like they will be promoting in the near future. If Cologne promotes Leverkusen is pretty much a derby because while a separate city it is pretty much a suburb of Cologne. St. Pauli-HSV is one of the best derbies but again doesn't happen very often as Pauli is usually in a lower division. The Rheinland/Ruhrgebeit teams and cities are very close together so these are practically derbies as well. Berlin would be the obvious place for a good derby but Hertha has not been a very strong team until recently and obviously couldn't play the East German teams until the reunification. The eastern BFC Dynamo and Union have had trouble since reunification with former powerhouse and Stasi club Dynamo in the 4th division and Union at the bottom of the 3rd. I thought Union would continue their rise after reaching the 2nd Bundesliga and create a great East Berlin-West Berlin derby but unfortunately things went downhill quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted December 20, 2004 Author Share Posted December 20, 2004 What no Bundesliga derbies and I just bought myself Star Choice to get Bundesliga (like I said way too much time on my hands a 3 day work week and the kids finaly don't leave us babysitting their kids...not that I really minded) But unfortunatly the big Linfield vs Glentoran IPL Belfast derby is Boxing Day and besides no TV I have to work where it's a Saturday so I can't even follow it on the net. Oh well not like any of us don't follow soccer on the web after the fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
After Extra Time Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 quote:Well, I wasn't watching Sportsnet but perhaps it had something to do with the game starting 45 minutes late. Betis had to change their jerseys which for some reason took that long! Yes, Sportsnet did stop showing the game with about five minutes left, which is particularly surprising as it wasn't a live feed but a recording from earlier in the day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by After Extra Time Yes, Sportsnet did stop showing the game with about five minutes left, which is particularly surprising as it wasn't a live feed but a recording from earlier in the day I don't thinked that this was their fault though cause if you noticed the GolTV logo and copyright info popped up right before the end as well... still sucked though - that game was a cracker. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HamiltonSteelers Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Agreed. I made up for the last 5 minutes by cursing at the screen as if I was at the game. I was pulling for Betis and they had some excellent opportunities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Crampton Posted December 20, 2004 Share Posted December 20, 2004 Betis got really unlucky. While I would hardly call myself a partisan of theirs you've got to love them 'cause they're the working class club. Sevilla did have really nice uniforms though and their fans went bonkers after that first goal. I'll loan you the copy of "Morbo" I just got last month when we next meet up - its chapter on Betis-Sevilla is one of the better ones. Mike. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Grizzly Jeffrey or anyone else in the know: What is the nature of Espanyol's support? Are their fans ethnically Spanish or supporters of strong central government as opposed to Catalan FC Barcelona or is it a neighbourhood/class difference or just a question of preference? How have they managed to become a top team after years of being pretty mediocre (currently in 2nd 9 back from Barca and 1 ahead of Real)? I once almost attended a Cup game of theirs but the price of admission was very high (would have paid it to see Barcelona play but not Espanyol in a Cup game) and I ended up watching it on tv at the hotel. Are the high ticket prices typical throughout Spain? I was surprised at the time because I found most things in Spain significantly cheaper than Germany but the game was 2 to 3 times the price of a Bundesliga game (which are admittedly among the best bargains in Europe for top notch soccer). They have a great stadium which I think was the Olympic stadium and do average crowds of over 20000 which while not near Barcas support is still pretty decent. argh at the moment no worries about learning about German derbies because there aren't any true ones in the 1st Bundesliga this year with the relegation of 1860 Munich who at the moment don't look like they will be promoting in the near future. If Cologne promotes Leverkusen is pretty much a derby because while a separate city it is pretty much a suburb of Cologne. St. Pauli-HSV is one of the best derbies but again doesn't happen very often as Pauli is usually in a lower division. The Rheinland/Ruhrgebeit teams and cities are very close together so these are practically derbies as well. Berlin would be the obvious place for a good derby but Hertha has not been a very strong team until recently and obviously couldn't play the East German teams until the reunification. The eastern BFC Dynamo and Union have had trouble since reunification with former powerhouse and Stasi club Dynamo in the 4th division and Union at the bottom of the 3rd. I thought Union would continue their rise after reaching the 2nd Bundesliga and create a great East Berlin-West Berlin derby but unfortunately things went downhill quickly. Espanyol was for a long time associated with non-Catalan support, especially the wealthy non-Catalan folks living above Diagonal during the Franco years. Also the name, though that had to do with the fact that Barcelona was founded by foreigners (Johan Gamper, a Swiss protestant who was a Basel supporter, thus the colours), and the Espanyol founders wanted to say that they were a team from Spain. There is no doubt that this made it a sort of less Catalan side by the 30s. In the last 20 years the fans are more and more Catalan, often those who have their reasons to not support Barça, such as those in suburbs of the city who do not identify with the city of Barcelona itself. It is typical to have a Barça family and one of the kids, to be different, goes for Espanyol. I know a lot of folks like this. It even was true in the past that Espanyol's stadium Sarrià (now demolished, it was the site of the Italy-Brazil semi in the Spain world cup) was called the second Bernabeu, as folks were very pro Madrid when they came to play. Now this is not true anymore either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HamiltonSteelers Posted December 21, 2004 Share Posted December 21, 2004 It's funny you should mention about being a Betis fan... I'm drawn to the history of football, how it represents class struggle, religous and cultural separation. With Man Utd being the exception to the rule (simple and naive explanation), I typically follow the clubs with loyal fan support (Marseille, Fiorentina) or one with a working class background (Celtic, Betis) so I was watching the Seville derby supporting the green half of the town. I've been looking to get copies of the When Saturday Comes books, and Morbo is on that list. I'll happily take a gander at that. I'm looking to get a book called "How Soccer Explains the World: An Unlikely Theory of Globalization". Reading part of a chapter, it looked rather facinating as it was talking about hooliganism and the Red Star Belgrade side. A post-christmas purchase if there ever was one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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