Canada's Gold Cup players should be N.A. based.

[Robert]

Canada's World Cup campaign has ended in an ever increasingly familiar manner. Eight games and out. So where do we go from here? Under the assumption that Kevan Pipe is not quite ready to retire just yet (he has certainly given no public indication he is about to do so), what can yes-boy (CSA President) Andy Sharp and hands-tied (national coach) Frank Yallop do to try and rebuild the Men's National Team program within the limited Kevan Pipe scope? We can safely deduct that based on only played a couple of preparation matches prior to this past World Cup campaign that there is no reason to believe we will be playing more games to prepare for next year's Gold Cup. Therefore, why not focus on using the Gold Cup games as an opportunity to give our younger North American based players some valuble international experience in order to prepare them for our next World Cup venture, which starts in just over three years? There will be two Gold Cup tournaments prior to commencement of qualifying for the 2010 World Cup. Why not use these two opporutnities, spread out over two years, to begin preparation for the World Cup. The alternative of trying to obtain the release of European based players, who's clubs are not obliged to release them as they are for World Cup matches, and flying them on short notice through countless time zones to play a few games in California. Many have expressed how difficult this is, just read the current issue of World Soccer, where Radzinski so elequantly states that it is high time the CSA took their finger out of their ass and wake up to the reality of this type of commuting. Does Kevan Pipe fly economy class?). Why not let Yallop continue to work with the younsters who achieved Canada's only victory against Guatemala in the semi-final round? When is the CSA going to start listening to the Radzinskis, the deVos's and the Onstads. Kevan Pipe you suck. Do us all a favour and resign.

[truenorthsoccer]

Kevin Pipe and Frank Yellop will be on the score sports this thursday at 6pm, i for one tell both to resign. As far using NA based players for the Gold Cup,are you kidding we'll get murdered. Friendlies are used to prepare our younger players and the CSA didn't not help the team in this area. And Frank failed to give are younger players a run out sticking with his "friends".

Why should the CSA listen to Radzinski, he failed to play for Canada on numerous occassions and hes the last one that should be juding the program.

Onstad is another one of Frank's pals who should have been removed after the blunders he let in during WCQ. Frank was not hand tied as you said earlier,

he made poor player selections,not get the team motivated, and not pressing the CSA for more friendlies prior to the start of WCQ. Canada needs to play more home games, and this winter by putting a grass fields down like the champions world crew did at skydome ,Canada could play a few games there.

And lets be realistic 2010 is at best a long shot with the mess the program is, lets look at 2014 when the younger players at the world youth cup to be held in Canada in 2007 should be in their prime , thats a better target to shoot for.

[MikeD]

Actually, European clubs are required to release players for the Gold Cup as long as the CSA gives them the required amount of notice. This is because the Gold Cup is an official FIFA tournament.

The problem with calling European-based players is that, now that CONCACAF has switched the Gold Cup back to the summer time, it conflicts with pre-season training for the majority of the European leagues (Norway, Sweden, Russia and a couple of others being the exceptions). This is tough on a lot of our players because the pre-season is when they have to fight for their jobs. Very few of our guys are so indispensible to their clubs that they can miss most of the pre-season and still step straight back into the starting 11.

For this reason, I agree with using a mostly North American-based roster for the Gold Cup. I also think it's worth calling players from those countries that are not in pre-season in July.

[beachesl]

To add to what MikeD says, not only do the FIFA Regs say that players must be released from their clubs for the tournament, but that period can be up to 14 days before the first match of the Confederation championship tournaments for training purposes, which was a big issue in the lead-up to the African Nations Cup. Even if the Gold Cup is a joke, it is a great opportunity to get our team together, in Canada, for other friendlies and camps.

[truenorthsoccer]

who said the Gold Cup is a joke. Nobody was saying that when we won the thing. This is the biggest tournament Canada can ever hope of winning

so lets not rubbish it please.

[beachesl]

quote:Originally posted by truenorthsoccer

who said the Gold Cup is a joke. Nobody was saying that when we won the thing. This is the biggest tournament Canada can ever hope of winning

so lets not rubbish it please.

Oh sorry. Let me change that. The Emperor IS wearing clothes.

[G-Man]

I think the team should be a U-23 squad. Build for the future. Let's get all those reserve team kids in Europe together and seal their national team fate.

No fat 27 year old A-league players.

[Paddy]

This idea would be fine if it is in addition to regular exhibition games. If not, playing only our North America players once every 2 years would be pointless.

As for the Gold Cup being a joke: it is a joke, albeit a fun joke. Canada is probably the only country that tries to field its strongest team and even in that we fail. Until participating countries send their full squads, and the hosting is rotated, the GC will be no more than a B or C tournament.

[kelownaguy]

Truenorth, I think he meant Frank's hands were tied as far as preparation wise and not being able to play any quality friendlies which was stated by several players in their critique of the CSA budget, and that turned out to be crucial. I hope Pipe will be replaced but I'm pretty sure they'll be keeping Frank around until at least the Gold Cup to give him some time to work with this team. I do agree with us needing a young team at the Gold Cup, but not solely North American players. We have to have our key young guys like Hume, Atiba, Occean, Simpson, Deguzman,,,etc..etc...playing together as much as possible under Frank because the more games that core plays together, the better and better they will continue to get. We also need a quality goalie to step forward, maybe Sutton or under 20 standout Karim will make the big leap.

[hottoddy7]

I think we should try to send the best team possible. Obviously there is no point including players who are definately not going to be around like Onstad and Watson, but if a guy like Devos will play he should be included. He can not only help the younger players but you want to instill a winning attitude in the team. There is no point bringing in a young team to get experience if all that they experience is losing. And besides with the exceptions of Onstad Wtason Pesch/Corrazin our team was fairly young.

[The Beaver]

Hey, the Beast has yet another name. Can you figure out who he is? He's posted on this thread. Look for the sloppy grammar and sloppier reasoning.

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[Beast2005]

quote:Originally posted by The Beaver

Hey, the Beast has yet another name. Can you figure out who he is? He's posted on this thread. Look for the sloppy grammar and sloppier reasoning.

[xx(]

Sorry mate i keep the Beast tag, while i do admit i was maybe a bit hard on our soccer program, you are no better attacking someones

grammer, what are you an over payed teacher or something.

But i do remind folks that afetr the first Guatemala game i said we were out of the world cup......who was right.......the beast.

also i said put lars in and we will win.....who was right....the beast.

[stacks]

YOU GOTTA LOVE THE BEAST!

HEY MAN I GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOU WON'T GO AWAY.

[Beast2005]

quote:Originally posted by stacks

YOU GOTTA LOVE THE BEAST!

HEY MAN I GIVE YOU CREDIT, YOU WON'T GO AWAY.

I try, i just got to keep my opinions on a short leash, this is not the first forum to ban me and i doubt it wont be the last. Chances

are with all the PC people on here i will be banned again by 9pm.

Thanks for the support[8D]

[The Beaver]

quote:Originally posted by Beast2005

Sorry mate i keep the Beast tag, while i do admit i was maybe a bit hard on our soccer program, you are no better attacking someones

grammer, what are you an over payed teacher or something.

But i do remind folks that afetr the first Guatemala game i said we were out of the world cup......who was right.......the beast.

also i said put lars in and we will win.....who was right....the beast.

Dude, you weren't banned for ragging on Canadian soccer, or for your grammar etc. You know why you were banned. Trolls are not welcome.

[Beast2005]

quote:Originally posted by The Beaver

Dude, you weren't banned for ragging on Canadian soccer, or for your grammar etc. You know why you were banned. Trolls are not welcome.

Of Course i was banned for ragging the National team, don't you kid yourself otherwise. We have become to over protective of our country ,teams etc. look at the the idiots protesting G.W Bush in Canada ,if they were on this sight doing that they would banned cause freedom of speech seems to have a very thin line up here.

[mcaout]

I agree with Mike D, there should be a mix of european and NA based players. Some of the NA based players have proven themselves worthy of a squad place if not a start(grande), and they should be there for sure.

quote:Originally posted by beachesl

Even if the Gold Cup is a joke, it is a great opportunity to get our team together, in Canada, for other friendlies and camps.

On this last point I disagree, I think the gold cup is important, and something we should always try to win. It will provide our players with games to get to know each other, which we can all agree is vital to any future WCQ. Let the Gold Cup be the first run out of our next generation and of a few old favourites.

[Beast2005]

quote:Originally posted by mcaout

I agree with Mike D, there should be a mix of european and NA based players. Some of the NA based players have proven themselves worthy of a squad place if not a start(grande), and they should be there for sure.

On this last point I disagree, I think the gold cup is important, and something we should always try to win. It will provide our players with games to get to know each other, which we can all agree is vital to any future WCQ. Let the Gold Cup be the first run out of our next generation and of a few old favourites.

Canada needs to be involved in more tournaments? The CSA should get the Canada Cup of soccer going again. It could be a winter tournament

at Skydome,provided real grass is layed. Bring in a few top foreign sides and im sure there would be a good turnout.

[Robert]

quote:On this last point I disagree, I think the gold cup is important, and something we should always try to win. It will provide our players with games to get to know each other, which we can all agree is vital to any future WCQ. Let the Gold Cup be the first run out of our next generation and of a few old favourites.

If the Gold Cup is important or not, is not important. The Gold Cup has value in the fact that it forces the CSA to partake in international competition. If there was no Gold Cup, Kevan Pipe would find his job even easier. There would be less games we could lose and consequently less responsibility for him to accept. Hell, I'm sure Kevan would love it if the World Cup got cancelled. He'd have nothing to lose and could continue to do his job doing nothing without getting critized for it. Sorry guys. This prick just gets me so upset. He is the biggest reason Canada sufferred 18 years worth of embarrashments. Our young guys won't get slaughtered in Gold Cup competition. Why don't we follow the lead of the successful countries in Concacaf and send the next generation to this tournament, are kids will get to know what its like playing their kids and three years hence they will know their opponents in World Cup qualifying. They will be prepared and will be cohesive since they have played together for three years. And yes, Gold Cup games should be supplimented with exhibition games, as many as possible.

[Gordon]

quote:Originally posted by Beast2005

Canada needs to be involved in more tournaments? The CSA should get the Canada Cup of soccer going again. It could be a winter tournament

at Skydome,provided real grass is layed. Bring in a few top foreign sides and im sure there would be a good turnout.

Wow it took you a whole 2 hours and 6 minutes to switch from an opinion that Canada should be concentrating on Wales, Luxembourg and the like to suggesting bringing in a few top foreign teams for the Canada Cup. Aside from a desire to be disagreeable, what possible epiphany could have occured that resulted in this 180% shift?

[Cheeta]

Gold Cup's tricky. It's not as though you can force someone to come out and play, although I'd think you'd be within your right to demand a full tourny commitment if they did. Diesel splitting back to Germany after the last group game didn't sit very well with me last go around.

His play showed him as being absolutely commited to the cause, but his employer wanted him back so back he had to go. (Yes, technically he didn't HAVE to go back. He felt it good politic to go though).

Guess we're lucky in that our squad is pretty young. But blacklisting European based players who want to pull on their country's shirt just because they're good enough to get jobs in the real footballing world dosen't sit well with me, no matter what their ages.

I mean, Geez. A summer tourny for many of them is the least disruptive opportunity they'll have to play for Canada.

[Kurosawa1555362267]

I say send the A Team, the best canadian players who wants to play. If some players from Europe feel it is not good for them to come then it's their decision, but if they want to join I say they should be welcome. Anyway, it's the best chance for canadians to form a group, a real team. Give them a chance. The Gold Cup will also be the best opportunity to see Frank Yallop working in a contolled situation. After one year at the helm he now knows what he got himself into. Let's see what he can really do.

[Timotas]

I agree with Kurosawa, send the best team possible. Not like it is TOO important, but I'd like to see our FIFA Rank move up a few places, even if we got to around 81-82 I'd be happy. So lets earn some respect and field our best and maximize are chances of winning this damn thing. If we win, just think, Canada will be better publicized and create a greater fan base.

Sending a B Team to develop would be okay, its just I don't think we'd get through the group stage, I may be wrong... I may be right.

Here is the selection I'd love to see...

GK: Sutton and Lars (or even Kenny S or Danny Fernandes)

D: Klukowski, DeVos, Hutchinson, Jazic, Pozniak, Reda, McKenna, Stalteri

M: Simpson, Serioux, Peters, Julian DeGuzman, Jonathon DeGuzman(if he accepts), Bernier, Brennan, Bircham, Grande, Imhof, Nsawalia

F: Radz, DeRo, Occean, Friend, Hume

Basically our A Team... I think thats would be the strongest team we could field at this point... start with Lars in goal, Hutchinson on the right, Devos and Reda or McKenna in the middle, and Stalteri on the left, whilst, Julian and Bircham as a holding midfielder, while, Hume on the right, and Brennan on the left, upfront I'd play Occean and Radzinski...this a powerful team... and I want a powerful team for the gold cup.. a team that will bring us back the glory we once enjoyed in the year 2000. No B-Team ****, even if it is to develop

[El Hombre]

quote:Originally posted by Timotas

If we win, just think, Canada will be better publicized and create a greater fan base.

You would think the CSA would have this in mind in preparation for the WYC. A winning team (in any tournament) would give the game more exposure leading to better attendance in '07.

[savagebeast]

quote:Originally posted by Gordon

Wow it took you a whole 2 hours and 6 minutes to switch from an opinion that Canada should be concentrating on Wales, Luxembourg and the like to suggesting bringing in a few top foreign teams for the Canada Cup. Aside from a desire to be disagreeable, what possible epiphany could have occured that resulted in this 180% shift?

the fact thati looked at our rankings and figured no real good team would want to place us. Besidea whw are we still in the 90's i thought we 'd have dropped further than that.