sounderfan Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 This USsoccerUK thread has video clips of the new Toronto Stadium and links to quotes by none other than Mr. Garber... http://www.ussocceruk.com/USsoccerU...did=27&posts=18 quote: After looking south to Mexico for one of the two expansion teams next season, Carson-based Chivas USA, the next expansion could see MLS looking north, Commissioner Don Garber said. "The most likely expansion prospect for the next round is Canada," Garber said. The Canadian Soccer Association is a partner in a 30,000-seat stadium it would share with a CFL team in Toronto. MLS wants to expand again by another two teams in the next two years en route to becoming a 16-team league. http://www.dailybreeze.com/sports/articles/1188646.html Video of Toronto Stadium Announcement. MLS stuff at the end: http://www.headlinesports.com/video/34.asx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounderfan Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 Would Toronto MLS make both the Whitecaps and the Impact "second Division" sides in Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 quote:Originally posted by sounderfan Would Toronto MLS make both the Whitecaps and the Impact "second Division" sides in Canada? Technically, yes. If USL-D1 is our first division, then the advent of MLS would bump it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snake Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 its a 25.000 seat stadium being planned for york not 30.000.also if the argo's average around 30-35.000 next season at the skydome which they most likely will,why would they even consider moving into a stadium that would have them lose out out on an extra 5-10.000 fans a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianSoccerFan Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Marty York discussed this a few nights ago on Sportsnet. The Argos are drawing well but they're still losing money cuz' of the Skydome sucking out all the money. Last thing I heard was the rental fee for a game at the Dome is $50,000. Not to mention Skydome takes 100% of the profits from concessions. At the new stadium they will have no rental fee and have control of all concessions and other revenue streams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Not to mention, they will be able to control the dates, unlike this year where they had to reschedule a game due to a conflict with some children's show that probably drew 5000 people to the Dome. Besides, SkyDome will always be there for the Argos in the event that they need a bigger venue for higher profile games. The Alouettes still use the Big O for their playoff dates and such. And there are rumblings that Toronto will be hosting the Grey Cup in 2007 at SkyDome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sounderfan Posted November 19, 2004 Author Share Posted November 19, 2004 And more now from USsoccerUK... http://www.ussocceruk.com/news/?CatTypeId=2&ContentId=2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted November 19, 2004 Share Posted November 19, 2004 Pipe has the nerve to give us this quote: "the goal of USL expansion to other markets across the country (again tied in with proper facilities) is also a top priority." when the CSA's top priority is to put one of the 3 remaining USL Div 1 teams in Canada (namely the Lynx) out of business. Do you these people think?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Ed Pipe has the nerve to give us this quote: "the goal of USL expansion to other markets across the country (again tied in with proper facilities) is also a top priority." when the CSA's top priority is to put one of the 3 remaining USL Div 1 teams in Canada (namely the Lynx) out of business. Do you these people think?? Pipe's been smoking too much kutchie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winnipeg Fury Posted November 20, 2004 Share Posted November 20, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Ed Pipe has the nerve to give us this quote: "the goal of USL expansion to other markets across the country (again tied in with proper facilities) is also a top priority." when the CSA's top priority is to put one of the 3 remaining USL Div 1 teams in Canada (namely the Lynx) out of business. Do you these people think?? Pipe should stop acting like the USL's lackey, and start trying to develop the Canadian game. Where's the Dominion Cup that was promised years ago ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMW Posted November 21, 2004 Share Posted November 21, 2004 Pipe is a cretinous bastard, we need our own league, don't want to hear the same song and dance about how it did not work last time. That was then. I guess am not the only one who does not like the guy. All you people coming out of the closet now? halelujah!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truenorthsoccer Posted November 30, 2004 Share Posted November 30, 2004 Toronto needs the MLS to give the sport some credibility back, two Canadian leagues have folded since Mexico 86 and the Lynx can't draw flies to their games (poor stadium location & poor team play main reasons). so we need a major team to play in a major league city. The Whitecaps/Impact could follow afterwards when they get proper stadiums built. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 quote:Originally posted by truenorthsoccer Toronto needs the MLS to give the sport some credibility back, two Canadian leagues have folded since Mexico 86 and the Lynx can't draw flies to their games (poor stadium location & poor team play main reasons). so we need a major team to play in a major league city. The Whitecaps/Impact could follow afterwards when they get proper stadiums built. All MLS would do is suck pro soccer dry in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elias Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 "All MLS would do is suck pro soccer dry in Canada." et al. Okay, if you people are just posting anti-Toronto comments, fine, I understand, after-all, I do live in Hamilton. But, one more time, how is a Toronto A-League team better for Canadian soccer than a Toronto MLS team? Honestly, how??? Ideally, Montreal and Vancouver could get MLS teams in a few years, and maybe even a team in Alberta (Edmonton has the stadium, but Calgary has the corporations). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted December 1, 2004 Share Posted December 1, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG All MLS would do is suck pro soccer dry in Canada. Pro soccer sucked itself dry already in Canada. The pro game is dead outside 3 markets. All that is left in the great soccer wasteland is semi-pro (CPSL) or PDL. It breaks my heart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted December 2, 2004 Share Posted December 2, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Elias Okay, if you people are just posting anti-Toronto comments, fine, I understand, after-all, I do live in Hamilton. The reason Toronto gets dragged into this is quite simple: The heart and soul of print media, 2 of the three national networks, and the two big sports networks in Canada are run out of TO. The business "capital" of Canada is TO. No other city but TO will be mentioned in any expansion talks. quote:Originally posted by Elias But, one more time, how is a Toronto A-League team better for Canadian soccer than a Toronto MLS team? Honestly, how??? We've seen what came out of the Lynx in the form of top-quality talent. We've seen the same thing in Montreal and Vancouver. It doesn't take huge amounts of money or prestige of a league like MLS to do that. You just need smart people running things. The people who run these clubs have far more commitment to soccer and brains that those who would run an MLS team in Toronto or those who run the CSA for that matter. quote:Originally posted by Elias Ideally, Montreal and Vancouver could get MLS teams in a few years, and maybe even a team in Alberta (Edmonton has the stadium, but Calgary has the corporations). Montreal and Vancouver will never be considered by MLS as expansion teams. You can forget Alberta as MLS is too expensive of a toy for anyone to want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 On Soccercentral, Don Garber basically said "if you build it, we will come", of course meaning a soccer specific stadium. Kerfoot talked about building a new stadium in Vancouver, while Molson Stadium appears to be close to a sss, in spite of the turf. Problem as far as the MLS is concerned for those two cities is that both Kerfoot and Saputo have stated they do not like the MLS Single Entity ownership policy. I will go on record stating that although a would prefer a successful Canadian League, the only viable alternative at this point is the MLS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurosawa1555362267 Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Ivan Problem as far as the MLS is concerned for those two cities is that both Kerfoot and Saputo have stated they do not like the MLS Single Entity ownership policy. What is the Single Entity ownership policy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Anyone watch Soccercentral today? Richard Peddie (president of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment) confirmed his interest in an MLS franchise for MLSE. He really seemed to know a lot about the league, and sounded guardedly optimistic about the chances of a team being a success here. Interesting stiuff, and this may be the 'big investor' that Kevan Pipe has long talked about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beachesl Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Kurosawa What is the Single Entity ownership policy? It is the policy of the MLS that there is not separate team ownership, but rather a collective ownership of the whole league and all the teams. Thus, an investor in a franchise like Toronto does not really (in law) buy a franchise, but rather buys shares in the MLS "corporation". The players are signed by the "entity" league instead of by individual teams. It is a legal fiction created to avoid the US anti-trust laws, such as those effecting the NFL, to prevent free-agency and allowing a restricted wage structure system. It was challenged by the players, but a federal judge ruled in 2000 that because MLS is structured as a limited liability company with "owner-investors", rather than separate and distinct team owners, "it is not within the purview of the statute" dealing with trusts. Appeals were dismissed in 2002. The NFL players association intervened (and actually set up the MLS players association) because they were worried about the NFL reoganizing into the same format. Thus, the ownership group (be it the Argos or Maple Leaf Entertainment) buying the Toronto MLS franchise will only legally be buying shares in the league, but in practical fact operating the team. It will not upset the Competitions Act or any other Canadian law, as such Canadian laws are emasculated window dressing only, as the fruitless investigations into the banks and the oil industry here have proven. see: here and here edit: haha, good catch Rudi, guess I'm even more enumerically challenged than I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 quote:Originally posted by beachesl but a federal judge ruled in 1980 that because MLS is structured as a limited liability company with "owner-investors", rather than separate and distinct team owners, "it is not within the purview of the statute" dealing with trusts. Wow, that judge must have had a really powerful crystal ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivan Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Thanks Beachesl, you explained the Single Entity Ownership Policy better than I ever could have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savagebeast Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by DoyleG The reason Toronto gets dragged into this is quite simple: The heart and soul of print media, 2 of the three national networks, and the two big sports networks in Canada are run out of TO. The business "capital" of Canada is TO. No other city but TO will be mentioned in any expansion talks. We've seen what came out of the Lynx in the form of top-quality talent. We've seen the same thing in Montreal and Vancouver. It doesn't take huge amounts of money or prestige of a league like MLS to do that. You just need smart people running things. The people who run these clubs have far more commitment to soccer and brains that those who would run an MLS team in Toronto or those who run the CSA for that matter. Montreal and Vancouver will never be considered by MLS as expansion teams. You can forget Alberta as MLS is too expensive of a toy for anyone to want. The Lynx have made the playoffs only twice in their history and any good players they sell,and go back to losing in the standings, This is good for Canadian soccer? People want to see their side compete,the Lynx are usually out of the running 3 - 4 weeks into the season.No the MLS will be better for Toronto,playing bigger and better clubs then the USL can provide.Leave the USL to Vancouver & Montreal, Toronto needs a major team in a major city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoyleG Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by savagebeast The Lynx have made the playoffs only twice in their history and any good players they sell,and go back to losing in the standings, This is good for Canadian soccer? People want to see their side compete,the Lynx are usually out of the running 3 - 4 weeks into the season.No the MLS will be better for Toronto,playing bigger and better clubs then the USL can provide.Leave the USL to Vancouver & Montreal, Toronto needs a major team in a major city. The Lynx have produced Canadian talent and have lived on for several years and are on their way to be the longest lasting pro side in Toronto soccer history. No fans are going to pay to watch an MLS doormat that won't benefit the National side. It's simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sstackho Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Rudi Anyone watch Soccercentral today? Richard Peddie (president of Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment) confirmed his interest in an MLS franchise for MLSE. He really seemed to know a lot about the league, and sounded guardedly optimistic about the chances of a team being a success here. Interesting stiuff, and this may be the 'big investor' that Kevan Pipe has long talked about. Did you notice the "2001-2002" (or was it "2000-2001"?) graphic overlay in the top-left corner during the interview? Due to that, it appears that this was a somewhat old interview. Still, MLSE makes the most sense as owners. Who else would have the cash? Still, I wish it was at Varsity. Not sure I'll make the trek to York on a regular basis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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