chessboard Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hopefully Onstad will take the hint and retire... I can't imagine what would've happened if he had to make a crucial save in a situation where our chances of qualification were on the line - meaning a chance, not a long-shot like the 'technical hope' of today's match. Plain and simple: Hirschfeld should've been the starter from game one; nevertheless, we know the politics involved with Onstad being King Yallop's princess. As crazy as Hirschfeld is, you can't beat his youth, fierce competitiveness, and athleticism. He's our keeper regardless of the troubles he's facing with the hapless Dundee United squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarrek Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Well, he's at fault for the first two goals, and Watson for the third. To his credit, he did make some good saves previous games, but still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I will pack his bags for him, Garbage keeping, Lars should have been in net. I watched Lars Vs Costa Rica gold cup 2003... and he was the reason we won that game. When was the last time you could say a keeper won us a game. GO BACK TO SAN JOSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SeanKeay Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I will pack his bags for him, Garbage keeping, Lars should have been in net. I watched Lars Vs Costa Rica gold cup 2003... and he was the reason we won that game. When was the last time you could say a keeper won us a game. GO BACK TO SAN JOSE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 1st goal for sure, absolute crap. Rubbish of the 1st water. Either he got distracted, which I think is the case, or it was a lot greasier out than it looked. Which I dought. Would normaly blame some of that marking too. I mean what the fu'k??? I'm Imhof and I see Wanchope moving before the kick, I'll just let him trot about beyond arms length. I'm Watson, think I'll follow Daniel's lead on this play. Geezus. 2nd not so sure. Got totaly caught which was the risk by that time. 3rd was a beauty. Costa Rica and Canada got exactly what they deserved from this match. Well done CR. Brave fight Canada. Maybe Lars' situation excluded him from this round, so what? Yallop choose Onstad as his #1 without giving anyone else any sort of a look. Pat was called, Pat came, good for him. Bad for us. Thanks Frank. You're brilliant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by SeanKeay When was the last time you could say a keeper won us a game. Easy. Gold Cup 2000 vs. Trinidad. Craig Forrest won us that game (and tournament). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzi44 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I have never thought it before, but I believe it now: Onstad's time on the national team should be over. Horrible mistake on the first goal! The other 2 weren't great either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Keeper Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I totally agree here. Pat Onstad has been a great player for us in the past, and that I respect him for. But now his inclusion in the squad beyond a few more call ups for a friendly will be hampering the development of younger Keepers. Lars should now be the number one, he is far more agile. Greg Sutton should be brought in soon and we need to look at our other options too. Kenny Stamatopolous, Alim Karim, Andrew Olivieri, Simon Raynor are just a few of the possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grizzly Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I think Onstad cost us even more goals than the referreeing and while Yallop couldn't choose the referrees he certainly had control over the starting keeper. If Hirschfeld was so out of form (who is to know since Yallop never gave him a chance) then Sutton, Zagar or Stamatoupolos should have been called. I would take a top A-league keeper over Onstad. Onstad looked poor right from the Belize series as I commented then (in fact I said this was the only position where Belize was superior to us and I think we would have a few more points had we been able to cap him although I do think we have some better keepers then him available). Onstad constantly bobbles easy shots, has poor position and is terrible on corners and crosses. Makes the occasional spectacular save but what use is that when he lets in a laugher every second game. I would take a solid keeper who can stop everything that he should anytime over a bobbler with an occasional great save. What the hell was he doing in the first half with the cross he fisted right into the middle of the box, a mistake almost as bad as the one on the goal except we were lucky that one of our players got to the ball first. I give credit to him for showing up and he may be a class guy but he is nowhere near international class. It is time to develop some younger keepers and at least have a decent, steady keeper who doesn't cost us games in nets. If one of them develops into a game saver like Forrest often was then all the better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ref Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Onstad was so bad that even his colleague Forrest said so. Lars, Lars where were you for heaven's sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcl_19 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Hirschfeld didnt look too good in his appearances with DU....they even recalled an on-loan goalie to start in Lars' place. I would like to see Sutton be given a chance in the next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankiboy Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by chessboard Hopefully Onstad will take the hint and retire... we know the politics involved with Onstad being King Yallop's princess. Bro, I know that you re frustrated but don't you think that maybe the "princess" shot was a bit harsh??? Like some other folks have said, you have got to give him respect for showing when you called him... Now it looks like it is time for Canada to move forward in a different direction. Maybe Lars cand end up with a club where he will work his way into the first team and get back into form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by marcl_19 Hirschfeld didnt look too good in his appearances with DU....they even recalled an on-loan goalie to start in Lars' place. I would like to see Sutton be given a chance in the next game. Amen, marcl. Lars, still warming benches across the pond, would not have been the answer. Sutton, in light of his super performance this season for Montreal and (hopefully) impending move on to bigger and better things, should be given the chance to stake his claim as No.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 It's time for Lars and or Sutton to take over, bye bye Pat thanks for getting us out of the World Cup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffymac1971 Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Onstad was pathetic! Why wasn't Lars and Greg playing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soccerbeast Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by jeffymac1971 Onstad was pathetic! Why wasn't Lars and Greg playing? Because they are not Yallop's mates:( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 First off, let's be fair and professional and give Onstad his props for devoting so many years to the National Team. He has been a good keeper--though never great--and we don't need to be such ungrateful bastards to a guy who actually gives a damn about playing for Canada. Now, with that said, it is clearly time for Onstad to hang up his boots. Not because the MLS sucks--stupid argument--but because it is time to start working our new era of goalkeepers into the system. I like Hirschfeld, I really do, but I think those of you who think Lars is way better than Onstad should get your heads checked. Lars, I am fairly confident, will someday be better than Onstad, but right now he needs to find his groove and confidence. Lars could be challenged by a number of very young keepers for the starting position if he doesn't start getting it together with his club. He is still young, but he's got a ways to go. On that note: Onstad lost us the game by bobbling that first goal. That was the death nail. As a result of that goal we were forced to gun for goals, which left us very vulnerable in the counter-attack, which essentially led to the next two goals. Onstad makes that save, and Yallop need not make changes and the guys have a chance to get their heads back in the half. We have played very good second halves in this round, and a key save there would have helped fire up the lads. Would Lars have saved the first goal? Maybe. Who can tell? For now, kudos and a big thanks to Onstad for all his years of devotion and hard work for our team. Thanks, buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ed Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Loud Mouth Soup Amen, marcl. Lars, still warming benches across the pond, would not have been the answer. Sutton, in light of his super performance this season for Montreal and (hopefully) impending move on to bigger and better things, should be given the chance to stake his claim as No.1 308 posts and I am sure 100 of them are putting down Lars. You and Pat make a great couple. Why don't you open a Fruizzi stand in San Jose and get far, far away from our national team. And in case you missed it, Sutton couldn't hold a substitute role in the MLS. Lars should have been given the game after Guatemala. He's a money player; Onstad isn't, as he's shown so clearly in TWO (2) WCQ campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youllneverwalkalone Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I was wondering if George or somebody following Greece has any update on Fernandes? It seems like he should be thrown in the mix based on his club experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Ed-thanks for noticing. /sarcasm. But if you can tell me what Lars has accomplished since his Gold Cup run so many people still harp on, maybe you can change my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loud Mouth Soup Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 And Ed-I've been behind this team through thick and thin. Sorry I'm not a current fan of your favourite right now, but I don't see how I can be. Other keepers can;t be held back by Lars' reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadasBest Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I'm with Beaver on this one. We should thank Onstad for his contribution to the game and the team. But I swear if he steps on the pitch for Canada again I will be writing some pretty angry letters to Mr. Yallop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Lars should have been the man. I suppose his less than dazzling performance so far at Dundee Utd had something to do with his postion on the nats. Pat is capable or at least he was. That first goal cost us the points. No question about it. It cost us going through to the the final round. That should be his last game for us. Lots of keepers should be getting a closer look. Lars isn't Forrest. We know that now too. We need to get Fernandes into the fold. Rayner too maybe. I'm anxious for Karim to finish his NCAA thing. Is Lindley getting close? By 2010 qualifying, our number one could be any of half a dozen players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soccer Hack Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 quote:I like Hirschfeld, I really do, but I think those of you who think Lars is way better than Onstad should get your heads checked Beaver, are you kidding me? After Onstad's performance last night? Cocking up the first goal, AND the second one - Pat's wandering around outside his box - take the bloody man out if that's all you can do. The third goal, well, Pat didn't even move on that one. At least PRETEND to make an effort Patti. On top of that, I haven't seen a keeper with such a poor touch with his feet since I stopped watching kids soccer. How many back passes/drop kicks did he screw up? I counted at least 5 or 6, and the second goal was a result of an absolutely horrific clearance by Onstad. Thanks for the memories Pat, don't let the door hit you on the way out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 Just a few weeks we were tooting about how Onstad has been the only reason the games have been close. No matter what you yahoos say about the man his statistics speak for themselves MLS keeper of the year has won championships in the MLS and A-league as long with an open cup and he is still at the top of his game. Pat still one of the best Canadian keepers ever. P.S. Forrest had many a nightmare. Lars is still scary. P.S. Ceccarelli should have stuck longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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