DJT Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Let's give this a try: During the match, from when the lineups are officially announced through to the end, use the in-match thread. After the match, use this thread for general comments. Other post-match threads that are started with general comments may be locked. Final: Honduras 1 Canada 1 Goals: CAN Hutchinson 71' HON Elvis Danilo Turcios 90'+ Yellows: HON Sergio Mendoza 85' HON Elvis Danilo Turcios 88' Lineups: Honduras Noel Valladares, Sergio Mendoza, Ninrod Medina, Victor Bernardez, Ivan Guerrero, Amado Guevara, Julio De Leon, Carlos Pavon, Wilson Palacios (Emil Martinez 46'), Edgar Alvarez (Elvis Danilo Turcios 74'), Maynor Suazo (Saul Martinez 78'). Bench: Elmer Marin, Milton Nunez, Mario Beata, Victor Coello Canada Pat Onstad, Ante Jazic, Mark Watson, Jason De Vos, Daniel Imhof, Atiba Hutchinson, Sandro Grande, Dwayne De Rosario, Tomasz Radzinski, Julian De Guzman (Josh Simpson 75'), Iain Hume (Olivier Occean 65'). Bench: Patrice Bernier, Carlo Corazzin, Jaime Peters, Gabriel Gervais, Lars Hirschfeld Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Sooooo ... what the scenario now? Win all games and hope that the Guates and Ticos tie? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montry Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 No, Guatemala is at the top and only they winning all their games is going to help us to grab the second place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SABuffalo786 Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Unbelievable. You guys have worse luck than the English. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 The English actually make it to most tournaments... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Here's how it stands: Guatemala: 3:7 Honduras: 4:6 Costa Rica: 3:3 Canada: 4:2 We win 2, we're at 8 points. So we need Guatemala to beat Honduras and Honduras lose all theirs. If Guatemala lose to CR, our chances become rather thin. What could have been: Guatemala 3:7 Canada 4:6 Honduras 4:4 Costa Rica 3:3 God DAMMIT! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croat Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Honduras has 6 points not 7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 It gets worse; apparently we were robbed yet again... http://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=142272&page=3&pp=39 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croat Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Its not so bad!!! As long as we didnt lose. At home, we can beat Costa Rica. Than, on the last matchday Guatemala will have nothing to play for as they would have clinched first already (They will beat Honduras at home next game). I bet they'd rather face us in the Hex than Costa Rica and Honduras anyways lol 8 points is realistic for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Yeah, the other conditions are not so bad, but Canada would still have to win 2 games, which I doubt we'll do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 From CP/Sportsnet: Dire straits for Canada Canada's World Cup qualifying chances look dire after tying Honduras 1-1 on Saturday. SAN PEDRO SULA, Honduras (CP) -- Canada's poor luck in World Cup qualifying continued Saturday as the Canadians gave up a goal in injury time and had to settle for a 1-1 tie with Honduras. The draw means Canada (0-2-2, two points) is still mathematically alive in the semifinal round of CONCACAF qualifying but Frank Yallop's side remains at the bottom of its group with just two games to play. Even if the Canadians win both -- Wednesday against Costa Rica in Burnaby, B.C., and Nov. 17 in Guatemala -- they still need other teams to stumble. It seems unlikely. Guatemala (2-0-1, seven points) was scheduled to play Costa Rica (1-2-0, three points) in a late game Saturday. Canada needed a win Saturday and it seemed to be coming after 21-year-old right back Atiba Hutchinson scored off a corner in the 73rd minute. Sandro Grande swung the ball in and Hutchinson's mistimed header bounced off nearby teammate Olivier Occean. The ball landed at the feet of Hutchinson and he slammed it home with his right foot from close range. That goal, ugly as might have been, breathed much-needed life into Canada's World Cup campaign. Had it stood, Canada would have been just one point behind Honduras in the all-important battle for second place. The top two teams in the group advance to the final round of qualifying in CONCACAF, which covers North and Central America and the Caribbean. But the bubble burst with just seconds remaining when Canada seemed on the verge of recording just its third World Cup qualifying win on the road in a decade. Mark Watson headed away a Honduran free kick into the box but the ball went only to substitute Elvis Danilo Turcios, who turned and poked it home past a diving Pat Onstad. Canadian players, drenched in sweat in the sauna-like conditions at Estadio Olimpico, hung their heads while the Hondurans and their fans, a sea of blue and white, celebrated. Adding to the Canadian pain was the fact that a second goal, chested in by Dwayne De Rosario from point-blank range after Jason deVos headed the ball over to him from a free kick, had been called off late in the second half -- seemingly for a phantom offside. The same thing happened during an earlier 1-1 tie with Honduras in Edmonton, when an Occean goal that would have been the winner was called off for a disputed foul. In truth, the Canadians deserved the points more than the Hondurans on Saturday. The home side looked languid, creating chances, but doing little with them. Canada, meanwhile, hung on and counter-attacked whenever possible. The savage heat took its toll as the Canadians, who were soaked even before the kickoff, looked sluggish in the second half but when the chance came on Grande's corner, they took it. With Canada needing a win, Yallop opted for an attacking lineup. He played a 4-4-2 but De Rosario and Julian de Guzman both played attacking midfield roles on the flanks in support of strikers Tomasz Radzinski and Iain Hume. Onstad made a pair of simple saves early on, grabbing a header without having to move from his line before easily handling a long shot. Canada's best chance came midway through the half on an attack that had the Honduran defenders scrambling. Hume cut across the penalty box and banged a left-footed shot that goalkeeper Noel Valladares blocked with his body on a reflex save. Honduras had a couple of decent chances late in the half. Edgar Alvarez fired a shot wide after slashing his way into the Canadian penalty box and then Wilson Palacios hammered a shot wide past a diving Onstad. Midfielder de Guzman had a fine game for Canada, despite giving the ball up on occasion. Using trickery and his ball skills, he opened the Honduran defence up several times like a can opener. But there was little midfield service to the Canadian strikers and Radzinski and Hume had few chances. Riot police patrolled the ground before kickoff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew W Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 I already have something to throw at the television for the "mystery" offside call even though I haven't seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffymac1971 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Well here we go again, wait til 2010.....SHEESH![V][|)] My God, Heads gotta roll within the CSA! Failure after failure after failure...only in Canada! Just like our liberal government![V][?] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Andrew W I already have something to throw at the television for the "mystery" offside call even though I haven't seen it. Just make sure it's not valuable. I still haven't found stuff I tossed at that Mexican ref . Of course the domestic minister of finance refuses to enter the inner sanctum in the basement to clean up ... so next year when I can't get the door open cuz of the empties , crap may show up? I know I couldn't wait to get the score either & I just knew RSN would show the score before the game was over anyway ! Sick days are never wasted ....salut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Oh yeah the game well a tie ain't a loss , but Wednesdays game is a must now and we have to depend on others for help. Suggestion for Wednesday for fans . Drink lotsa liquids so dehydration doesn't happen awaiting a good result . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croat Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 How do tie-breakers work? Is it ur total goal differential? Or is it just the differential between the tied teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yankiboy Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Sorry Canucks! It sounds like you guys may have gotten the shaft, AGAIN. A lot of us down South were pulling for you guys to qualify. I'm sorry that this campaign has turned into a nightmare. Please try and keep your heads up... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Croat How do tie-breakers work? Is it ur total goal differential? Or is it just the differential between the tied teams. Tiebreakers: - head-to-head points - head-to-head goal difference - head-to-head goals scored - overall goal difference - overall goals scored - playoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Croat Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 We can win a tie-breaker with Guatemala, after their HORRIBLE loss if its based on a total goal-differential. Canada beats CR Guatemala tie Honduras CR beats Honduras Canada beats Guatemala Final Standings Costa Rica 9 Canada 8 Guatemala 8 Honduras 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyl Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Another Possibility: Canada beats Costa Rica Honduras and Guatemala don't tie Canada beats Guatemala Costa Rica tie in Honduras Final Standings Hond/Gua 10 Canada 8 Gua/Hond 7 Costa Rica 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyl Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 Basically we need one team to tie in the next two games or we're out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJT Posted October 10, 2004 Author Share Posted October 10, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Croat We can win a tie-breaker with Guatemala, after their HORRIBLE loss if its based on a total goal-differential. You probably posted that before seeing my response, according to which we'd have to defeat Guatemala by at least 2 goals for your scenario to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyl Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 the bottom line is that we're out of the hex because our top guy hasn't been playing like our top guy... Radzinski's form has been horrible, including the games vs belize he should have had at least 5 to 10 by now. where would costa rica or guatemala be without the heroics of wanchope or ruiz... where the hell is Radz??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bxl Boy Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 It seems the easiest scenario will be : - We win both games - Honduras wins his two ones too Standings : 1. Honduras 12 2. CANADA 8 3. Costa Rica 7 4. Guatemala 6 So : let's go Honduras ! And Canada of course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyl Posted October 10, 2004 Share Posted October 10, 2004 ok, getting desperate here... Canada beats Costa Rica Honduras and Guatemala tie Canada beats Guatemala by at least two goals Honduras beats Costa Rica Final Standings Honduras 10 Canada 8 Guatemala 8 Costa Rica 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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