Winnipeg Fury Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 With three World Cup Qualifying matches left, and Canada now playing prep for the 2010 World Cup, it's time changes were made to the roster. Nothing against any of these players, but they didn't get the job done and it's simply time for new blood in our preperation for 2010: Onstad, Pesch , Watson, should all be left off our roster for the next three matches. Realistically, I can't see any of our player's over 30 remaining on the squad at this point. Who else should be dropped from the squad for our preperation for 2010 ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadienfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I still think we should start our best players next game but if we lose that one too and we're starting fresh how about leaving of Jazic and Imhof. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 We should never give up until we're mathematically eliminated. That means calling our best squad and trying to beat the holy hell out of Honduras next month. If we lose to Honduras, then we'll most likely be out and we can play the bench at home to Costa Rica and call up a young squad for the trip to Guatemala in November. But we should never quit before it's entirely over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMLION Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 thats what i like to hear mike, optimism it aint over till it's over:D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reza Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I also think that we should wait till we are officially out. After that though, it's time to bring in all the young hopefuls and remove anyone over 30 and start preparing for the Gold Cup 2005. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Next game, I just think Yallop should try playing his players in their natural position. Like DeRo as a Striker, same for Hume, Hutch in the Mid, Stalteri as well. Imof at right back. I would go with a 4-3-3. Strikers would be hume, Radz, and DeRosario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desigol Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Play Reda alongside Devos. Also, play DeRosario alongside Radzinski up front (it worked against Scotland). Maybe even Zagar or Franks in Goals. The point is, the 'old guard' players need to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Devos already basically said in an interview that this was his last crack at WCQ. Don't expect to see him after thid run. And watch our defense get even worse! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I know everything sucks, but if I were to look forward to the future there's a great bunch of young guys moving up: Jamie Peters, Iain Hume, JOsh Simpson, Kenny Stamatopoulos, Atiba Hutchinson, Julian De Guzman, Jonathan De Guzman, etc. etc. You can add more, I'm sure, but we should build around them ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffymac1971 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Replace Pat Onstad in goal with the Little Blue Cow!!!!!!![)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by jeffymac1971 Replace Pat Onstad in goal with the Little Blue Cow!!!!!!![)] God, if there was anything about the Olympics that was the most annoying it's that Frickin' Blue Cow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soju Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by nolando Devos already basically said in an interview that this was his last crack at WCQ. Don't expect to see him after thid run. And watch our defense get even worse! Didn't Radzinski also say this was his last attempt? Don't think we'll be seeing the DeRo, Radz, Hume connection up front anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 No, we need to take our best possible squad to Honduras next month. A Canadian team that quits before they are mathematically eliminated is NOT a Canadian team. We fight to the end, and I have respect for Yallop's committment to doing so. Plus, you just have to think that DeVos and Stalteri (and others) are bloody determined to give this a shot still. They won't give up, especially with this probably being Devos' last chance for the World Cup. If we lose in Honduras--we need a Yankee ref--then yes, play the bench here in Vancouver, and bring the FUTURE to Guatamala for the final game. Cap tie as many players as is reasonable, and bring out guys who will be around for 2010. (ie. Guys in their mid-twenties and younger): Nsaliwa, Poz, Stalteri, Brennan, Imhof, Hutch, Hume, Ocean, the DeGuzman Brothers, Lars and Kenny, Kluka, Peters, Simpson, Matondo, Friend, Canizales, Ledgerwood, DeRo, Reda (how old is he?) etc etc Hell, let's see what Belotte can do. (Where the hell is he?) Let's go full hard the next game, and if we win, let's go full hard again. Like G-L said, we can only take it one game at a time--it may be a cliche, but it's all we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by massimo Next game, I just think Yallop should try playing his players in their natural position. Like DeRo as a Striker, same for Hume, Hutch in the Mid, Stalteri as well. Imof at right back. I would go with a 4-3-3. Strikers would be hume, Radz, and DeRosario. Isn't our next game on the road? I think Canada playing with only 3 in the midfield would get absolutely hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by massimo Next game, I just think Yallop should try playing his players in their natural position. Like DeRo as a Striker, same for Hume, Hutch in the Mid, Stalteri as well. Imof at right back. I would go with a 4-3-3. Strikers would be hume, Radz, and DeRosario. Isn't our next game on the road? I think Canada playing with only 3 in the midfield would get absolutely hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 [ If we lose in Honduras--we need a Yankee ref--then yes, play the bench here in Vancouver, and bring the FUTURE to Guatamala for the final game. Cap tie as many players as is reasonable, and bring out guys who will be around for 2010. (ie. Guys in their mid-twenties and younger): Nsaliwa, Poz, Stalteri, Brennan, Imhof, Hutch, Hume, Ocean, the DeGuzman Brothers, Lars and Kenny, Kluka, Peters, Simpson, Matondo, Friend, Canizales, Ledgerwood, DeRo, Reda (how old is he?) etc etc Hell, let's see what Belotte can do. (Where the hell is he?) Let's go full hard the next game, and if we win, let's go full hard again. Like G-L said, we can only take it one game at a time--it may be a cliche, but it's all we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
massimo Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by ditty Isn't our next game on the road? I think Canada playing with only 3 in the midfield would get absolutely hammered. For me it's simple we need to win, and the current tries have not given fruit to anything except 1 point in Edm. So something needs to change, plaing players in there natural position could be a start, I guess taking risks like that could get Yallop fired if it doesn't work (A 4-3-3 formation). I think we need 4 solid defensemen, not 4 good players playing defense. Same with the Mids and put Hume as a striker for christ's sake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by ditty [ If we lose in Honduras--we need a Yankee ref--then yes, play the bench here in Vancouver, and bring the FUTURE to Guatamala for the final game. Cap tie as many players as is reasonable, and bring out guys who will be around for 2010. (ie. Guys in their mid-twenties and younger): Nsaliwa, Poz, Stalteri, Brennan, Imhof, Hutch, Hume, Ocean, the DeGuzman Brothers, Lars and Kenny, Kluka, Peters, Simpson, Matondo, Friend, Canizales, Ledgerwood, DeRo, Reda (how old is he?) etc etc Hell, let's see what Belotte can do. (Where the hell is he?) Let's go full hard the next game, and if we win, let's go full hard again. Like G-L said, we can only take it one game at a time--it may be a cliche, but it's all we got. Why do we need an American ref? What was wrong with Mr. Ramdhan's performance last night? If we end up being eliminated before the end of the campaign, I'm not sure I see the logic in throwing in every half-promising young player we have. Qualifying for 2010 won't start for another four years, not sure gettting thrown into the fire a few years in advance will help. Let's wait until the next set of friendlies/Gold Cup before we completely clean house. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver Why do we need an American ref? What was wrong with Mr. Ramdhan's performance last night? If we end up being eliminated before the end of the campaign, I'm not sure I see the logic in throwing in every half-promising young player we have. Qualifying for 2010 won't start for another four years, not sure gettting thrown into the fire a few years in advance will help. Let's wait until the next set of friendlies/Gold Cup before we completely clean house. It isn't about cleaning house, it is about building for the future. Frank needs to see what the prospects can do and what he needs to do to build this team. Plus, be realistic: If we are mathematically eliminated next game, then many of our pros from Europe will not be particularly interested in leaving their club for a meaningless game. It would be the perfect opportunity to start building a new team for the future. I have no issue with the ref last night--nor did I say I did. I just want a good ref for the next game against Honduras, that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck-fan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I agree that we don't necessarily need to field teams completely made up of youngsters, but (and all of this assumes that we become mathematically eliminated at some point, and it certainly hasn't happened yet) I would like to see us cap-tie as many young talents as possible. My first choice would be Jonathan De Guzman, if he'd come. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by ditty It isn't about cleaning house, it is about building for the future. Frank needs to see what the prospects can do and what he needs to do to build this team. Plus, be realistic: If we are mathematically eliminated next game, then many of our pros from Europe will not be particularly interested in leaving their club for a meaningless game. It would be the perfect opportunity to start building a new team for the future. I have no issue with the ref last night--nor did I say I did. I just want a good ref for the next game against Honduras, that's all. What I'm saying is that quality of officiating isn't based on nationality. Archundia is rated as one of the best in the region, the guy was selected to do the Olympic semi-final, and he still blew two calls, though the second was more reasonable than the first. You're right about player availability, if it's our last match and we're eliminated, no point in calling all the Euro-based players. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure throwing out a complete team of youngsters in Guatamela will do much for developing our team for 2010. Remember, qualifying for 2010 is FOUR YEARS away! Plenty of time between now and then to form a player pool for that campaign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jeffery S. Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I love the way W Fury posts about 18 times after Honduras that we should pull out entirely, and now that we have it very difficult to go through is proposing new squads. Get a grip Dwayne, all that is happening is that not having a decent local club to support in Winnipeg is altering your sense of reality: anyone following a club in any pro league has seen crap reffing losing points and even championships for their team, and we realize that life goes on, so does the game, however damn upsetting it might be; and noone whose club is mathematically out of the chance for winning the league or making the playoffs just rolls over and plays the prospects for 2014. All teams have goals in function of their real possibilities, so that noone at Zaragoza or Udinense or Charlton is upset if they don't win a league (even ever), and some might be happy just to stay in top flight, or get to a national cup final, or beat up one of the big teams on a memorable spring day. I think that our outrage about the World Cup is a bit out of place, as we are not a World Cup team in Canada. We can only occasionally expect to go, like maybe once in a few decades. And even if we do go some day, most will be happy to do better than last time, ie, score a goal, or get a point. So if anyone is interested in winning something and not just showing up, I say let's not dump the senior guys, play them into the Gold Cup, and try to win it. 5 game tournament, rights to play Copa America. Not bad I'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver What I'm saying is that quality of officiating isn't based on nationality. Archundia is rated as one of the best in the region, the guy was selected to do the Olympic semi-final, and he still blew two calls, though the second was more reasonable than the first. You're right about player availability, if it's our last match and we're eliminated, no point in calling all the Euro-based players. All I'm saying is that I'm not sure throwing out a complete team of youngsters in Guatamela will do much for developing our team for 2010. Remember, qualifying for 2010 is FOUR YEARS away! Plenty of time between now and then to form a player pool for that campaign. Better question: Why wait to develop synergy, familiarity, a sense of team strategy? What is the benefit of waiting? I don't think we should rush players, agreed, but let's not dilly-dally either. [^] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by ditty Better question: Why wait to develop synergy, familiarity, a sense of team strategy? What is the benefit of waiting? I don't think we should rush players, agreed, but let's not dilly-dally either. [^] I guess my point is that the cries to cap every player who's ever gotten a sniff in Europe seem a little over the top to me. If a WCQ cap will entice Jon DeGuzman to put his hat in the ring, then I'm okay with that if we're eliminated. I just don't see how one game in Guatemala in 2004 will have much of an impact on synergy and strategy in 2008. THere's tons of time to build between now and then. I think Yallop will be motivated to avoid a complete thrashing even if the game is meaningless for us and throwing a bunch of new caps to the wolves in Guatemala. If you're talking about removing Watson, Pesch, Onstad and Radz for a meaningless game, so be it but that's about the extent that I'd be comfortable with. I think it's your call for Belotte shook me a little. If Brennan can't get into the side because of a lack of first team football, forget Belotte. He couldn't even start on our U-20s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditty Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hey Beaver, No worries man. When you listed all of the following: Nsaliwa, Poz, Stalteri, Brennan, Imhof, Hutch, Hume, Ocean, the DeGuzman Brothers, Lars and Kenny, Kluka, Peters, Simpson, Matondo, Friend, Canizales, Ledgerwood, DeRo, Reda (how old is he?) etc etc Hell, let's see what Belotte can do. (Where the hell is he?) I just assumed you thought they should all be included. My point was simply that I think you're overrating the effects one game will have on a qualifying campaign that won't take place for another four years. Also, if you nominate Belotte then I'll suggest Brad Parker. Like I said earlier, we're both in agreement that once a chance of qualifying is gone, we need to inject new blood. We just disagree on the effects one game will have four years from now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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