Elias Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 As stupid as this sounds, this win keeps Costa Rica in the hunt. The reality is Canada needs 10 points. So that means they need to win their next 3 games. I don't understand all this talk of how hard it is to win "3 in a row", they play 2 games in October and 1 in November. And it doesn't matter if they win on the road or at home. They have to win period. As they showed tonight, they can play on the road. The goal was a complete fluke, granted the shot was perfect, but the defense was sleeping. They easily outplayed Honduras the other night. And, against Guatemala they were missing Devos, Rad, etc. and it looked like they were shell shocked. So, with a full and healthy team, a lot of them looked really tired and banged up like De Rosario who seemed to be limping the whole game. Rad was completely invisible. And I would like to publicly apologize to Onstad. He played really well tonight and really didn't make any major mistakes. Back to the fantasy, I mean schedule. As of right now, after game 3: Guatemala = 7 Honduras = 5 Costa Rica = 3 Canada = 1 GAME 4 - Canada beats Hon & CR beats Guat at home *** Canada beat them at home, so why not away. CR played well in Guatemala Guatemala = 7 Costa Rica = 6 Honduras = 5 Canada = 4 GAME 5 - Canada beats CR & Guat beast Hon *** we played well tonight, imagine with a full squad at home, and hopefully Guatemala can come thorugh x - Guatemala = 10 Canada = 7 Costa Rica = 6 Honduras = 5 GAME 6 - Canada beast Guat & who cares about the other 2 *** so this game is completely pointless for Guatemala as they qualify after game 5. So why risk injuring players or getting cards. Only danger is if they put on a bunch of youngsters who want to show off and destroy Canada. But if the CSA was smart, they would get some of this government sponsorship money, and sponsor the Guatemala team as refugees (I was trying to think of something funny and I obviously am too sad too). x - Guatemala = 10 x - Canada = 10 Costa Rica = 6 max. 9 Honduras = 5 max. 8 PLEASE tell me this is possible! PLEEEEEASE before I go jump off a bridge. I've honestly never been so sad about sports in my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I was the one claiming that there was some possibilities for us after the last game.I'm afraid,however that Canada might have thrown in the towel after the Wanchope goal tonight.There is a good possibilty that we might be playing with a youth team next game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nutmeg Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Elias, Dude. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt. Sorry, man, I feel the same way as you, but it's time to stick a fork in it ... we're done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amacpher Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Elias, what are you smoking? And can i have some too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadienfan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 You'll be put in jail for life by the American justice system if you smoke what Elias has got amacpher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolando Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Where the hell is xmas island? I wanna go there to get some of that good shaight you're smoking. Maybe a stright up trade for BC Grade A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matthew Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Nothing's over! Come on. We're mathematically in it. Any team in this group can beat any other team in this group on the night. I don't think you can deny that. Yeah it will be nearly impossible for us to win three straight with two of them on the road, but I'm not giving up and I sure as hell know that Yallop and the boys aren't going to quit. Yallop will call the best team he thinks we have and I hope they all show up committed and ready to do the business. cheers, matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DjinnX Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Well everyone can relax. Canada WILL make it to the next round, they WILL win 3 in a row, they WILL be going to the World Cup. I say so dåmnit[}]. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Have Flag-will travel Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 They can go on a run and win the next 3 but everything has to fall in place. I get the feeling they will lose out by 1 or 2 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheeta Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 That's what I'm afraid of. After the Guat loss I was telling everyone that. In such a short tourny, if you drop a few points unexpectedly you could end up recovering but still just falling short. Then you're left wondering were you could have got that 1 more point to put you over the hump. 2nd worse thing in that sort of scenario is you start looking for phantoms and boogy-men to blame for coming up short. You know? Plague of injurys, **** ref'ing, etc, etc, otherwise we'd have made it. Deflects the focus from what you could have done differently to produce greater results. Like fore thought. Player selections. Dependence on foreighn players. Blah, blah, blah. P.S. Still alive. Got a month off. Hopefully Big Kev, JDV and Diesel will be back. Throw those three into this bunch and tell me we can't win with what we've shown the last two matchs. P.S.S. 10 points looks like it's still a very good target. Getting the feeling both qualifiers will be decided on the last day. Ug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argh1 Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I dunno , being a Canadian soccer fan means believing in a dream and a dreams not over 'till it's done . There's still 3 games we can still dream about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeD Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Of course it's possible; we can beat any of these teams. Honduras and Guatemala looked eminently beatable. Costa Rica played well last night (and so did we, overall) but next time we'll have them at home. I'd say the chance of us pulling off three in a row like that are slim but, then, Greece's odds of winning the Euros were pretty slim too. I'll be watching the Honduras match hoping for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fza Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 CANADA NEEDS AT LEAST 2 WINS ALLOWING THEM TO POSSIBLY TIE A GUATEMALAN TEAM QUALIFIED FOR THE NEXT ROUND IN THE LAST GAME. AS LONG AS: 1)CANADA WINS IT`S NEXT 2 (1 on the Road vs Hond and 1 at home vs CR) 2)GUATEMALA BEATS HONDURAS AT HOME So with 2 wins and a tie we`re in!! I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by fza CANADA NEEDS AT LEAST 2 WINS ALLOWING THEM TO POSSIBLY TIE A GUATEMALAN TEAM QUALIFIED FOR THE NEXT ROUND IN THE LAST GAME. AS LONG AS: 1)CANADA WINS IT`S NEXT 2 (1 on the Road vs Hond and 1 at home vs CR) 2)GUATEMALA BEATS HONDURAS AT HOME So with 2 wins and a tie we`re in!! I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!!. Just for that, I'm sending you the tape. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Just win one game at a time. None of the teams here have looked un-beatable. If they win the next match against Honduras, they are one point behind them for 2nd place, with the next game at home and the last game in Guatamala, possibly against a team that has already qualified with nothing to play for. Last night's performance on the road was actually encouraging until we seemed to tire towards the end of the 2nd half. I can't ever recall us having that much possession in Central America and they did it with half the starting line-up missing. Bottom line is - they need to start scoring and finding a way to get the ball to Radz more often. And get some frickin good luck for crying out loud. Two more inches and that DeRo ball in the first half goes in the net in the first half and I think we win the game...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fza Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote: Just for that, I'm sending you the tape. hahahaha!!..thanks man!!...Never lose faith!!...as Canadian soccer fans we were made to suffer, nothing`s easy for us as it is in Hockey... Cheers!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhat Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Gian-Luca Just win one game at a time. None of the teams here have looked un-beatable. If they win the next match against Honduras, they are one point behind them for 2nd place, with the next game at home and the last game in Guatamala, possibly against a team that has already qualified with nothing to play for. Last night's performance on the road was actually encouraging until we seemed to tire towards the end of the 2nd half. I can't ever recall us having that much possession in Central America and they did it with half the starting line-up missing. Bottom line is - they need to start scoring and finding a way to get the ball to Radz more often. And get some frickin good luck for crying out loud. Two more inches and that DeRo ball in the first half goes in the net in the first half and I think we win the game...... Actually you are SO right. All these teams are beatable, but what concerns me is that fact that they seemed to TIRE earlier than expected. I was encouraged by the play of Grande, De Guzman, and De Rosario, but that back four ... well you know. Things would have been different with De Vos, Menezes,McKenna, and Stalteri there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gian-Luca Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Well the back-four is pretty much a makeshift back-four - Gervais never played with these players before so it didn't surprise me when the odd offside-trap was beaten on the Costa Rican counter-attack after they scored in the 2nd half. Like Honduras, Costa Rica, even playing at home, wasn't really able to create all that many chances or break us down except on counters. Wanchope capitalized on a long ball (not sure whether it was a foul on Atiba or not, need to look at the tape again). We broke them down as many times as they were able to and I expect we will be able to do that even more at home. Assuming that game still means something by then. The key again is beating a Honduran team that often doesn't win at home in Honduras before the next Costa Rica match. I thought Onstad was out of position on the goal, definitely, but he made some good saves afterwards and the bottom line is we need at minimum one goal to win a game and we didn't get it. De Rosario & De Guzman were outstanding, unbelievable skill & desire they showed tonight. Incredible that some people are actually criticizing their performance - I think they need to watch the game again or start learning about the game of soccer. Grande very impressive in his debut in the d-mid role, Atiba fantastic defensively outside of the one questionable play. I hoped for a bit more from Hume tonight & actually thought Yallop might want to bring Peters (who also looked good) a little bit earlier. Our biggest failure offensively though was getting the ball to Radz. He did have one great chance though and shanked it unfortunately I'm upset about the result, but not the peformance. And frankly the result wouldn't be too much to be depressed about if we had gotten the 3 points we earned Saturday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 Damn it all, now I'm starting to have a tiny bit of reasonable hope again. yes, truth of the matter is that going into last evening's game, we knew we'd probably have to win 3 out of the next 4 games. Now we probably will need to win all 3, which will be bloody difficult, but certainly not impossible with a full squad--if we can get them--who should be in slightly better form now that most of their Euro seasons will be in full thrust. Yes, I will not give up. So, we need McKenna healthy fast--is he not having surgery. We need Stalteri and DeVos and Radzinski and DeGuzmann. I am glad to hear DeRo had a good game last night. I still think we need Nsaliwa at right back so that Stalteri can play in midfield. Our midfield will not tire so readily with Diesel there--his work rate and endurace are phenomenal. Damn, why is it so tough being a Canadian soccer fan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 In order to get the ball to Radz more often we have to have defenders that do not hoof the ball up the field when under a bit of pressure like last night.Our attack has to start at the back and we lack the personell to do so at the moment.Radz and others have to make runs into postion to recieve a pass as well.Really,after the Wanchope goal I saw little of this. The game last night was a far cry from Saturday.The performance against Honduras gave me a lot of hope despite the brutal calls by the ref.I've lost a lot of that hope because it seemed the team gave up after the goal. Right now I have to go to the neighbors house and appoligize for the swearing that came from my living room last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelownaguy Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 I agree Vancouver fan, I was much more optimistic after the Honduras game because of the offensive chances we were able to create (despite only scoring one goal) , the team just looked great and focused, that was one of the better and more entertaining games I had seen Canada play in a long, long time. I don't know what happened over the few days in between games or maybe because Costa Rica did a much better job marking and defending us, but we couldn't create anything last night besides the odd Dero run. After scoring one goal in 3 games, it honestly seems like it would take some kind of miracle to run the table with three straight wins (where will the goals come from??),,, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen,,, but just being realistic here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Beaver Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by kelownaguy I agree Vancouver fan, I was much more optimistic after the Honduras game because of the offensive chances we were able to create (despite only scoring one goal) , the team just looked great and focused, that was one of the better and more entertaining games I had seen Canada play in a long, long time. I don't know what happened over the few days in between games or maybe because Costa Rica did a much better job marking and defending us, but we couldn't create anything last night besides the odd Dero run. After scoring one goal in 3 games, it honestly seems like it would take some kind of miracle to run the table with three straight wins (where will the goals come from??),,, don't get me wrong, I'd love to see it happen,,, but just being realistic here.... Yeah, I hear you, though it is pretty clear to me that not having DeVos in the line-up is a massive blow to the team's confidence and core strength. He is the one player who organizes everyone, and because of this he frees players to do what they need to do out there. If our team feels that they are in good hands, that the defense is organized, then they will need not worry so much about what is happening at the back and make good things happen throughout the field. DeVos is the key to this very young team. The game in Honduras, if we get our best squad, will be a very good one indeed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancouver Fan Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by The Beaver Yeah, I hear you, though it is pretty clear to me that not having DeVos in the line-up is a massive blow to the team's confidence and core strength. He is the one player who organizes everyone, and because of this he frees players to do what they need to do out there. If our team feels that they are in good hands, that the defense is organized, then they will need not worry so much about what is happening at the back and make good things happen throughout the field. DeVos is the key to this very young team. The game in Honduras, if we get our best squad, will be a very good one indeed. You are absolutley right.De Vos does make that big of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ray Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 quote:Originally posted by Have Flag-will travel They can go on a run and win the next 3 but everything has to fall in place. I get the feeling they will lose out by 1 or 2 points. That would be painful to miss out on the hex by couple of points. However, Canada just has not shown the 90 minutes per game necessary to earn those few points. We seem to only have one good half in us. Defensive errors and bad calls have cost us but the real reason we are last in the group is that we have not scored nearly enough. Frank was supposed to bring more offence to the team. Where is it? How is it that when our opponents play each other there are lots of goals scored but we struggle to get anything? Something has to change. Well, I hope we at least can stay mathematically alive so the remainder of the games will be televised. Otherwise Sportsnet might decide there is no point in showing more games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free kick Posted September 9, 2004 Share Posted September 9, 2004 What we need now is for Guatemala to get maximum points in the next two games and for Canada to do the same. that would set up a final game versus Guatemala whereby our opponents would have secure a berth to the next round and not need the maximum effort. Yes, I know its mathematical. But stranger things have happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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